Selanne Sinks Flyers in Shootout, 3-2
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2009 10:40 PM EDT
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PrintUntil Selanne took over, this appeared to be a fantastically boring game. The Flyers scored two power play goals, keeping turnovers down, penalties down, and mistakes to a minimum. Emery looked solid - even great early in the second period while a man down - and yet the team still came out with a loss.
A tough game to lose since the team played well, but with no game until next Friday, this one should ruminate for awhile.
After the jump, random thoughts, Questions with Answers, and the Comment of the Night.
Random thoughts:
- Ole-Kristian Tollefsen finished with 3:28 of ice time and 4 PIM, while Riley Cote finished with 1:57 of ice time and 2 PIM. With two players combining for less than five and a half minutes of ice time and six minutes of box time, look for JVR and Danny Syvret in the lineup on Friday.
- Speaking of Riley Cote, who knew you could get an unsportsmanlike penalty for just talking to the other team? I'd love to hear how and why he earned that.
- Braydon Coburn finished a -1 tonight and looked bad earning the negative. He played a decent game other than that goal, but I can't help notice he has been taking really bad routes to lose pucks.
- Ray Emery rebounded from his last two average starts and looked solid in net, stopping 31 of 33 shots.
- Luca Sbisa had a strong game. He certainly seems to have gotten better from last year, and he did a fantastic job defending a Flyers 2-on-1 late in the game.
- I think Simon Gagne is just having an unlucky start to the year, as he had numerous pucks bounce over his stick.
- Oh, and did you know it was Chris Pronger's birthday? I can't believe JJ, Jonesy, and Coatesy failed to mention that...
Questions with Answers:
- What kind of reception will former Flyers Joffrey Lupul and Luca Sbisa receive tonight? I didn't notice much of a reception one way or the other, but maybe I missed it. The only thing I recall is the fans cheering when Lupul had a puck bounce over his stick and out of the zone on a power play. Anyone at the game who found otherwise?
- Can the Flyers defense as a whole step it up and play a solid game? Some may disagree, but I think the answer was yes. Ryan Parent had a solid game, Matt Carle continued his great start, Kimmo was Kimmo, Chris Pronger was even prematurely named player of the game by CSN, and Ray Emery had a great game as well.
- On an individual level, how does Braydon Coburn rebound from a terrible outing on Thursday? He certainly played better, but not great. After his last game, my eyes were on him and I wasn't impressed. As stated above, he got badly beat on Selanne's first goal and took poor routes to loose pucks. However, would I have even noticed if it weren't for his poor game against Pittsburgh? Most certainly not.
- Do the Flyers keep up the offensive prowess, especially with an impressive power play? They only scored two goals, but they were both on the power play. They were 2-for-7 on the man-advantage and really could have used a goal on their last power play, up 2-1 with less than 4 minutes left in the third. They couldn't muster anything on that one. If I were Tim Panaccio and I Berube'd/Falloon'd these questions, I'd give this one a Lupul. (Get it?)
Comment of the Night:
Figures. Selanne won this game singlehandedly.
Ben Feldman
Selanne's first goal:
Richards on the PP:
Pronger on the PP:
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haha, take that up with Travis. It was his idea, even though I think he stole it from my Caps recap. He just gave it a name and made it a “recurring feature”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Coatsy spoke with him a the second intermission and wished him a happy birthday. The mentioned it often. They were talking about Briere and possibly Pronger getting GWG’s on their birthdays
by SkookFlyerfan on Oct 11, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck is Daroll Powe doing on the ice in the last minute?
I mean, besides losing the game.
He gets out of the position at the point by being too agressive, allows the puck to go past him to a man he should’ve been defending, forcing Richards to come from the middle to the boards, and forcing laperriere to come to the middle, and leaving Selanne and the passing lane wide open.
He earned his -2 well tonight.
Darroll Powe could find a cure for cancer and you’d still have a problem with him. If the Flyers got one more goal then we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Furthermore...
Powe was trying to be aggressive and clear the zone. Stevens said after the game that during the last minute, you need to play desperation hockey. Get the puck out of the zone, or at the very least keep it along the wall. Powe had the right idea; he just did not get the desired result. Furthermore, the Ducks had an open player since Hiller was pulled. Five players cannot cover six.
Translation: We did not lose the game because of Darroll Powe.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
There’s smart aggressive and stupid aggressive. Stupid aggressive is one player challenging two players.
You’re right one player should be open and that player should be the left defenseman in that situation. And at all times during the play the left point was open. But because Powe was out of position, a second man was left open, and the passing lane to him was left open.
I’m going to explain this the best I can, then give up. I actually had the rotation incorrect. Laperriere isn’t involved, it’s Powe out of position forcing Richards out of position forcing Kimmo out of position forcing Pronger out of position.
This is after Getzlaf keeps it and moves the puck past Powe. You see Richards coming out high in the zone because there’s two guys with the puck behind Powe.
I’ll break down the rotations and all below, but Selanne is actually who Getzlaf passed the puck to when he moved it behind Powe. Selanne then skates across the ice, drawing Laperriere a stride towards the far boards and reducing his angle on Niedermeyer. Then, Ian notices that Pronger is sucked down into the crease because Timmo wasn’t there and Ian tries to get back towards the near corner, but the passing lane is too wide to close.
Ian is in position, but it’s because Pronger is not where he should’ve been, instead he’s battling from behind with the man in front. You know Pronger is out of position because he’s behind the man in the crease, which is obviously not how you can play defense in the New NHL.
Now, here’s where everyone should’ve been:
Powe skating with the guy going from half boards to the net (where Richards was)
Richards on Niedermeyer in the corner (where Kimmo was)
Kimmo fronting the dude in the crease (where Pronger was)
Pronger in the slot closing off that passing lane/picking up Selanne as Ian passed him off.
Because Powe got out of position, a rotation had to be made.
Everyone has a defensive assignment covered (three have a man, Lappy has just passed off Selanne and is in a major passing lane) except for Powe. As designated by the giant question mark: what was Powe even doing as the puck went into the net?
by MarioD on Oct 11, 2009 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mario, thats a coaching problem, not a players problem. They play was played as Stevens called it, shit happens, they beat our system. Now the 1st goal, that was disgusting. Braydon looks awful and hasn’t shown anything to me that he is even worth playing right now. I would like for Stevens to put Parent with Kimmo and move Coburn to 3rd line duty untill he gets “it” back.
I cannot believe Stevens’ system is for Daryll Powe to stand in open ice doing nothing. Nor is it his system to get yourself outnumbered out of position.
The first goal is NOT Coburn’s fault. Maybe he got caught a little flat footed, but he was positioned well. Selanne came across the blue line and received the home-run pass with speed. That’s on the forwards who should be closing down the neutral zone.
Now, Selanne has the puck and Coburn forces him outside. Selanne is at full speed so Coburn dives to keep him from cutting in. That’s the best play Coburn can make in that situation, and it works.
Emery fails to come out and cut down the angle, and gives up room on the short side even though there’s no Duck to worry about a backdoor pass to.
I wonder if Emery played the shot that way because of what happened with Langenbrunner in NJ.
While I agree with you that Emery should have come out further, you can’t say that isn’t Coburn’s fault but is Emery’s. Rather, you showed that Coburn did the best he could AFTER he effed up, but that doesn’t mean Coburn effectively forced Selanne wide, since he’s still within the middle third of the ice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did he “eff up”? Honestly, I’ve watched the play like ten times and I can’t figure out what went wrong other than the pass getting through the neutral zone and Emery staying in the net.
Selanne got the puck with speed and Coburn did everything he was capable of. It’s just a really well executed breakout and attack by Anaheim.
I agree it’s a really well executed breakout play, but to me – and you can disagree – Coburn is out of position as Selanne takes the puck.
He’s leaning the wrong way, and if he didn’t see Selanne cutting across the ice, I’d ask what he was looking at. From here, it appears as if he was watching the puck (which came from the near side on Anaheim’s blue line) and drifting toward the center of the ice. Even though Selanne was cutting across, Coburn got caught leaning and out of position.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That may be true. The camera zoomed in on the Duck who made the outlet pass so it’s confusing for sure. He’s definitely leaning/flat footed, but I think he’s in the right position.
Was Coburn coming from the bench on a line change, though? I’m not sure of that, but it’s very confusing that, as shown clearly in your picture, Kimmo, Coburn, and Carle are all on the ice.
I agree with you totally on that one Geoff. Coburn got caught watching the puck when he should have been marking Selanne before the pass was made. Same thing beat him on the Staal goal against the Pens. If Coburn was moving towards Temmu before the pass was made he would have been able to keep further to the outside. In Mario’s post above it stats force wided by Coburn’s positioning, Temmu is still inside the dots that is prime scoring positioning and certainly not wide by any means.
While Emery Should have challanged better… It’s Teemu Selanne – he is one of the best goal scorers in NHL history – Its not like we got beat by George Parros
by SanDiegoScraps on Oct 12, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly. I think that’s a great point, especially when you look at where that shot went: Right off the near post. He still made a great play, regardless of where the blame goes.
Which, I think now’s a good time to point out that blame for this goal should go to (in no particular order): Coburn, Emery, the forwards on the ice, and (credit): The Ducks’ D who passed it, and Selanne.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 12, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Emery is way more to blame here than Coburn.
Interesting thing I just noticed, look how out of position Timmonen is. He’s actually on the far hash marks still when the shot is being taken (in the photo I captured above).
Kimmo being out of position suggests to me that the positioning was more about Selanne’s speed than it was coburn in the wrong place.
But, also, with Kimmo so much on the far side of the ice, Coburn couldn’t step out too far near side without giving Selanne room to cut to the slot and split the d-men.
Well, I don’t think he’s out of position. To me, he’s right where he should be, especially considering he’s a forward. However, since it’s Pyorala, and Carle is backchecking, this has to be on a line change. At which point, the Flyers got caught changing again. And then this becomes a much larger problem than where Coburn, Emery, Pyorala, and the forwards were on the ice. It’s a problem of teams knowing they can catch the Flyers on a line change easily.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 13, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Getzlaf deserves big props too
Getzlaf stopped Richards from getting an empty-netter just seconds before the rush. Plus, the play Getzlaf made at the blue line to maintain possession had a high degree of difficulty. Not only was that a hard clear off the glass – but he gloved it down and dished it while being pressured… He fails on either play, and this thread is way shorter…
Basically – the Ducks All Stars played like all stars – I guess I just can’t fault any of the Flyers for that.
Sucks that there is only 1 game this week. I am going nuts until Friday.
by SanDiegoScraps on Oct 13, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, if Getzlaf doesn’t get his stick on that puck after gloving it, play is dead. Remarkable play by him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 13, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s wide of the near post. That gives Emery a very nice angle to cut down.
But the clear indication that you don’t understand the play is that you think Coburn should’ve been
moving towards Teemu.
If Coburn was going out of the zone towards Teemu, Selanne would’ve blown by him and cut towards the net. That’s the absolute worst thing Coburn could’ve done. What he ideally would’ve done is beat Teemu to the hash mark, with Timmo sliding into the slot.
one of the best and descriptive posts
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 11, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
+2
Those two comments have incredible analysis. Serious, serious props.
Agreed – I feel like I am back at hockey camp.
by SanDiegoScraps on Oct 12, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Powe's job
They have their goal pulled and have an extra man advantage so you are going to have to play zone, Powe is covering the point man number 4 on you list who was playing off the boards. His positioning is okay he can get out high to the point and block the Getzalf (number 4)’s shot.
Not playing D
I don’t know why everyone is concerend with Powe being on the ice. Was anyone watching the game? We were pressuring to score, up 2 with less than 10 to go in the third. We weren’t concerned with just playing D. Hence our D man getting toasted. the second goal was the ole philly choke. Could have been worse, we got a point
Why not ride a hotter hand in the shootout. I love gagne but he is having a little trouble finding the back of the net. I just think Carters wrist shot gives you the best chance against hillers size. I don’t like all three guys going low on hiller. He just seems even bigger in the butterfly.
by burtonboypa on Oct 11, 2009 2:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That was my problem too. If you saw the picture I linked to in the story, Gagne had a wide open net to shoot at, and put it in Hiller’s pad. Obviously, he didn’t mean to do that, but all three shooters going low was a terrible idea.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Pronger did tip that pass going across the zone on that final score to tie the game. It’s just one of those things. Other nights he knocks that puke down and game over. What upset me was the shootout, Hiller goes down in the butterfly early all the time, it was even talked about throughout the game, both goals were scored top shelf for the Flyers and what does Briere, Richards, and Gagne do…. shoot low. Richards did get handcuffed though when he made his first deke. It looked like he wanted to shoot high.
by phillyflyersfan on Oct 12, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions
lucky bounce and a great shot
I didn’t see the 1st two periods so I will only comment on what I saw, I think Coburn should have been in better position reacting to Temmu before he got the puck rather than watching Whitney with the puck, and started to move across to cover Temmu being in better position if and when the pass was to arrive.
Emery could have been more aggressive but he is at the top of his crease Coburn was beat on the play if he came out further Temmu could have beaten him wide to the outside and basically skated around to shoot in the empty net. Either way there wasn’t much there for Temmu to shoot at and the shot went off the post and in.
Travis gave Neidermeyer credit for a “beautiful” pass to get the tying goal from what I saw he was trying to get the puck in front to a covered Perry and the bounce off Pronger went right to Temmu for the wide open net, if you watch it again I think you would agree. Great keep at the point Timmo hit that one perfectly on the top of the glass with good velocity. Hard to fault anyone for that loss sometimes you have to tip you hat to the other team for making really good plays.
Bottom Line: Hiller made some great saves to keep the game close and preventing the Flyers from taking the 3-0 or 3-1 leads late in the 3rd. We certainly didn’t sit back and wait around then take a bad penalty in the 3rd to let the Ducks into the game. That was the our MO last year we just didn’t score on some great opportunities to put the game away. I like this years strategy better, offense is the best defense in the new NHL the game could had been over with one more goal in the 3rd. Also if our shootout skaters would lift the puck to finish the nice moves we could have won in the shootout as well as phillyflyersfan stated above.
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