Game 9, Preview and Open Thread: Booooooooooooooooooooosh! San Jose Sharks at Philadelphia Flyers
by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
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PrintSan Jose Sharks at Philadelphia Flyers, Oct 25, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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This is the open game thread.
Behind Enemy Lines: Fear The Fin, Battle of California
Brian Boucher will get his first start of the season tonight as his former team, the San Jose Sharks, travel to Philadelphia to take on the Flyers. The debate, of course, is who gets the edge: his former team that shoots against him in practice all year and knows his weaknesses, or the goalie who knows all of his former teammates? It's a tough question, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
The Sharks really don't like Chris Pronger. We're talking hatred here. It was his eighth-seeded Ducks that knocked off the rival, first-seeded Sharks last year in the first round of the playoffs. But while that kind of history breeds contempt, it also breeds respect.
Here's an absolute gem from Fear The Fin today...
He's been Public Enemy Number One, labeled a menace to society, voted the dirtiest player in the NHL, been booed at 30 arenas in the league (even including one he played for), and cursed every organization that traded him. He's terrorized the Sharks for a decade, first with St. Louis, then with Edmonton, then with Anaheim.
And yet, I love the guy.
Call me a turncoat. Go ahead. I'll elbow you right in the mouth, stomp on your buddy, pulverize your star forward and defend my crease like lives are on the line. I'll play 30 minutes a night, make my below average partner look like a goddamn magician, kill penalties while skipping the shift change and thread a pass to spring a breakaway. I'll spit, I'll scowl, I'll swear, I'll flash a cocky grin.
Then I'll rip home a howitzer in the second overtime. And you will rue the day that I was ever born.
But enough hyperbole and more hockey. Defenseman Oskars Bartulis has been called up from the Phantoms for tonight's game, but there's no word on whether or not he'll be playing. He'll be available, but from what we all know, there is no injury to any of the Flyers defenseman outside of Ryan Parent who has already been out of the lineup for the past two games. Bartulis could take the place of either Ole-Kristian Tollefsen or Danny Syvret, but we're just not sure right now.
We expect the forward lines to be very similiar, if not identical, to what we saw last night against Florida. Mike Richards will play after the NHL decided not to levy a suspension upon him in the aftermath of his hit on David Booth. The offense last night was absolutely explosive last night and we should expect a similar outing tonight.
The Sharks held on for a one-goal victory last night in Atlanta against the Thrashers, but it didn't come without a cost. Forwards Devin Setoguchi and Ryan Vesce suffered leg injuries and will be out of the lineup. Two AHLers will play in their place. Tonight is the last game of a brutal six game East Coast road trip for the Sharks, and hopefully the fatigue they've got to be feeling works in the Flyers' favor.
Still, tired or not, the Sharks are a dangerous hockey club. In addition to Joe Thornton and Patrick Marleau, they now have Dany Heatley to give opposing players fits. Those three players combined for the four San Jose goals last night. We'll probably see Evgeni Nabokov in goal for San Jose.
After the jump, questions to answer tonight.
Questions To Answer
- The Sharks have got to be tired after this long road trip. Can the Flyers take advantage?
- Who has the advantage tonight, the Sharks offense or Brian Boucher?
- Can the Flyers successfully stop Heatley, Thornton, and Marleau?
- Does Pronger continue to be the subject of recurring nightmares in San Jose?
Tonight's game is on CSN locally, the NHL Network in Canada, and RIS in Quebec. You can also listen live with Tim Saunders and Chris Therien on 610 WIP. As always, join us here for the conversation, and LET'S GO FLYERS!
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
3:45
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Answers ...
1. No
2. Sharks offense
3. No
4. BOOOOO!!! (and No!)
… of course, I may be biased in my answers. But unlikely.
:)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)
by ang6666 on Oct 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
Let’s not be so quiet tonight, eh folks? Good game on our hands here.
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Still a little surreal that Boosh is a Flyer again. Add in that they’re wearing the black jerseys, and what year is it again?
First time wearing them this year. So glad they’re the alternates again.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Greiss is in net for the Sharks. No Nabokov.
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I don’t know a thing about him
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Never heard of him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
San Jose has always had great uniforms.
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I’ve never liked them, actually.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I have one of their original whites, actually. It was free, but still. I wear it at open hockey a lot
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I kind of liked the ones they used right before the strike, but not really. I’m not a fan of turquoise at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
JVR does a nice job there jumping into that loose puck
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I’m still trying to figure out the point of calling up Bartulis.
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I didn’t miss these blacks at all.
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Me either. Get rid of em for good if you ask me.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought they had already. I hope they stay scarce.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Great play backchecking by Kimmo
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How did that not hit something?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously. What the hell.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish they’d replay it.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, third best PK. I had no idea we were that good.
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Giroux does something impressive every single game.
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These are some crazy bounces, Bouch had no chance there.
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I noticed a ton of weird bounces when I was there on Thursday. The weird weather lately might be messing with the ice.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
A Giroux hat trick tonight would be fun.
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Asham clearly has jump. Amazing what a little confidence will do for you
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
All mental, this game
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of trades and draft picks…. okay, not at all. But it reminded me. Sbisa is heading back to juniors with Anaheim.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Wow.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How???
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/25/sbisa-to-be-re-assigned-giguere-on-the-mend/21999/
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
too much pressure on him? Well that’s a lie. He’s 6th in TOI/G there, getting less than 13 minutes a game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and if I recall he was playing over 30 minutes in Lethbridge
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fourth line production!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
We need some sort of name for that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Fourth line offense!
Powe! Right in the kisser!
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Lovely little pass by Pyorala
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Holy hell JVR, you’ve gotta bury that.
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Dammit, you gotta bury that Jimmy.
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jinx
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so JVR hits the post. Bad. Briere and Carter just throw the puck at the net along the ice. Really bad.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
Lappy goes after Shelley. Ballsy.
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“They didn’t really get going too good at it.” – Coatesy. Um, no Steve. Ian didn’t get going too good at it, because he got beat.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
True or false: Carcillo is the worst of the Flyers’ twelve starting forwards.
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True times 30
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Pronger rocks
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Ton of pressure here. Good stuff.
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Definitely controlling the tempo so far. Looks a lot like yesterday.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Panaccio is such a pessimist. I don’t think I’ve ever read a single positive thing from him about the Flyers (except when he’s talking about the ’70s and ’80s).
What’d he say now?
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just read his tweets during every game. Seems like some Flyer is always doing something incredibly wrong.
Reading two of his last three, I see your point. Reading his fourth most recent, I want to vomit. Even if he’s kidding.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, Frank Seravalli’s post last night about Richards was just awful. He definitely went down in my book. And that’s after I saw him on DNL a few weeks ago (disclosure, it was his first time on-air) where I immediately got a negative opinion about him. There, he seemed like a guy who just wanted to brag about how much people talk to him. So, Panotch has a long way to go to be my least favorite writer.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see Seravalli on DNL, but I agree about his post last night. I think he does a pretty good job most of the time, but it’s a small sample size. Panotch is a nice guy, but I see what you mean. That last Tweet is just ridiculous.
Carchidi is my least favorite, though. I’m not sure why.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be sure to give them all my regards when I see them Tuesday ;)
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Asham is such a superstar.
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Asham gets the shot off while being hauled down. Excellent, and a Peco
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Nice to play against a team that has some heart, Florida just laid down last night. At least San Jose pushes back.
Seriously, and you can’t use fatigue as an issue either. SJ is on a hell of a road trip last night.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That second sentence makes no sense. Take out the words last night. Wow, I suck
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What % chance would y’all give to these two 7th place teams meeting in the finals?
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The Sharks need to stop the early round choking, first.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Jonesy with baseball analysis. Guy does it all.
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Boosh wearing his old mask makes me so nostalgic.
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I can practically see the puck sticking out of it now…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, that was nuts.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That would have scared the shit out of me.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
More or less than it scared the shit out of him?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Coatesy doing more hockey lessons this intermission. Won’t somebody think of the children?
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I was at a party at the Swedish embassy last night, and they had a big picture of Forsberg in a Flyers jersey on a wall of great Swedes.
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So many questions I don’t even know where to start
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
My main question was why they didn’t have a picture of him in the Swedish team jersey, but maybe the ambassador is a Flyers fan. I know the people at the Finnish embassy are.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Interview. Set it up. hahaha
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So, um, SEPTA is going to strike this week. Like, really guys? World Series?
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Strategic move. City may have to cave into their demands, because, yeah, can’t have no SEPTA for the World Series.
Yeah. I mean, is it just me or does it seem like there’s a SEPTA strike at least once a year?
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
At least the threat of one.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I still miss seeing this though:
The pads, the Phantoms mask, the orange jersey…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
That’s just beautiful.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, goalie interference if anything.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh, how’s the penalty on the Flyers if we had the puck?
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Gotta be weird that his 20 year old is making probably a ton more than he is.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a lot less edgy with Boucher in net compared to Emery.
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It really doesn’t. You’d think it would with these two teams.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my God, that picture of Coatesy!
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Do it do it
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, another bad bounce for a goal
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I’m still speechless on that last goal. I have nothing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Did that go off of Coburn’s leg or Boucher’s stick?
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Coburn’s skate, then off something else. Not sure if it was Coburn’s stick or Boucher’s after the initial bounce.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this Briere/Carter/JVR line
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As long as they keep Kimmo/Coburn separated from them until those two fix their luck, I like it too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez come on guys, get it together.
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Boosh must have thought the lead guy still had the puck is all I can figure. He didn’t even react.
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We need some energy. Hit somebody.
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When he’s in the lineup, sure.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously thats what i meant. who does coburn play with? whoever meshes with him the best out of okt and syrvet
I guess. I don’t know, I’d be afraid to put a struggling Coburn on the bottom pairing. That’s not how you get out of a slump.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say, losing this game wouldn’t be super horrendous. This is about as far from a must-win as you can get.
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Heh, but when I do say anything though it has absurd amounts of gravitas to it. Always leave them wanting more.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Briere just got hit in the face right in front of the net, no call. Wonderful.
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And he’s bleeding.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
And a penalty against us. Maybe two. Are you kidding?
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t agree with that chant a lot of times. I’d be joining in right now.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Fight in the bench. Awesome.
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Maybe this nonsense gives the Flyers some jump.
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This period is terrible.
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Hey look, hockey’s on again.
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That intermission did seem super long.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought during preseason that Pyorala would easily score 20. Boy was I wrong.
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So did I.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely understand the frustration, but yeah, retaliation always gets called
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said on Thursday, why are there no “Hit from behind” penalties called any more? It’s still in the rule book.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
More dangerous/common than the rare vicious blow to the head.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Do SJ fans call Vlasic “Pickle?” Because I would wholeheartedly endorse that nickname.
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Getting this one into OT would be nice.
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Wow, this is ridiculous.
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These calls have been terrible
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So incredibly frustrating
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How many of these “They didn’t play bad, but they didn’t win” games before some serious drama starts happening?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
Every team has these types of games. I don’t think it’s going to lead to anything big.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But that sounds an awful like a 2008-2009 Mike Richards post-game interview.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
08-09 was not a terrible regular season, it just didn’t end well.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Greiss 28 of 29 so far. Not bad for a guy I’d never heard of.
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Every team should just start their backup against us.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But not many of them were difficult. Like that last one right there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve had a lot more scoring chances than they have. They’ve just gotten the bounces.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Angels 1, Yankees 0
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I give Stevens the game against the Caps and the game against the Canes. If this team isn’t fired up… hope you all like Keenan.
What?
Did you watch last night’s game? I think they were pretty fired up for that one. I don’t think they played badly tonight, either. San Jose did an excellent job of keeping us to the outside and limited the quality of our scoring chances. To our credit, we kept putting the puck on net in the hopes that something good would happen and it did not. That’s just how it goes sometimes.
As for Mike Keenan coming here, I have no idea where that came from. I watched Keenan coach the Flames for the past two seasons. The game has passed him by. Iron Mike is done. If he coached here we’d all be talking about the good old days when Stevens coached the team.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Boucher’s glove has been real nice looking.
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And then he does that.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 25, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely an excusable loss.
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Faceoffs:
Laperriere: 0 for 1
Carter: 8 for 19 (42%)
Hartnell: 1 for 1
Richards: 4 for 17 (24%)
Pyorala: 4 for 11 (36%)
Giroux: 5 for 12 (42%)
Powe: 0 for 1
Briere: 1 for 2
Gagne
Is it me or was he not on the ice very much during the 3rd? Or maybe he just didn’t get to play the puck much.
Good game defensively by San Jose. Not much you can do about that.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
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