Washington 4, Philadelphia 2 -- Caps' Comeback Flattens Flyers
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Any game that shows up in the loss column is one that by definition leaves a lot to be desired. But as far as losses go, this one can't be viewed as particularly catastrophic.
The Flyers played a full 60 minutes of hard, fairly smart hockey. They outshot the Capitals 43-36, and looked sharp on both sides of the special teams. But despite being the better team for roughly 55 minutes of the game (excluding the end of the second period), the Flyers lost. It happens.
If you have to pinpoint a reason the Caps won this game and the Flyers didn't, it would be the goaltending. Ray Emery's 32 stops on 35 shots represent a pretty solid night statistically, but the masked man on the other side of the rink outdueled him completely. Jose Theodore stopped 41 of 43 shots, including all twenty he faced in the final frame. The two shots he let in were completely unstoppable power play goals. Theodore was deservedly named first star of the game afterwards.
Emery was not the reason the Flyers lost, but he could have been the reason they won if he had played better.
Some notes from the game in chronological order, and then some more assorted thoughts after:
First Period
This is what Jacques Lemaire's nightmare's must look like. The best of the new NHL, as plays are allowed to develop from end to end without a whole lot of clutching and grabbing. While the rushes were rarely of the odd-man variety, they were constant and rarely slowed down.
The Flyers were able to plant guys in front of the crease at will, something they did with success all game long. When Theodore did cough up a rebound, which was rare, guys in front of the net at will, and got plenty of second hacks at rebounds.
The first period in the first meeting was scoreless too, then gave way to seven goals in the second. Definitely a powder keg feel to this one. These offenses are too good to be shut out for any extended amount of time.
In the waning seconds of the Flyers' first man advantage of the game, a beautiful alley oop cross ice pass was tapped into a yawning net by Scott Hartnell to give the Flyers a 1-0 lead.
After a too many men on the ice penalty put the Flyers a man down, Jeff Carter and Darroll Powe started on a short-handed two on one break. Carter threw the puck to the net where a charging Powe got a stick on it about a foot in front of Jose Theodore, before colliding with the goalie in an unavoidable collision due to the speed of the play. Even though Powe was completely unable to avoid contact with the challenging Theodore, he was still assessed a bogus goalie interference call, one that gave the Caps 1:41 of 5-on-3.
But the Flyers penalty kill rose to the occasion, keeping the shooting lanes closed effectively and clearing the puck from in front of Emery's net during scrambles. While they were never able to get the puck past the blueline, they kept the Caps from generating any major chances.
Less than a minute after Powe's penalty expired to put the sides back on even terms, the Flyers were given their second power play opportunity of the night. They quickly cashed in only nine seconds into the man advantage, with Braydon Coburn blasting a low slap shot from the top of the circles past Theodore, thanks in large part to an excellent screen set by James van Riemsdyk.
The combined momentum from the 5-on-3 kill and the Coburn goal should have given all the momentum to the Flyers for some time, but it didn't last for more than a shift or two.
Alexander Ovechkin fluttered a soft deflected shot over Emery's glove to put the Caps on the board for the first time, and to tilt momentum back towards the home team. John Stevens inexplicably put the fourth line on the ice after the goal, which not surprisingly led to an overmatched Mika Pyorala immediately taking a holding call to give the Caps complete momentum control.
And just over two minutes after Ovechkin brought the lead down to one, a one-timer that Nicklas Backstrom didn't get all of snuck through Emery's five hole to level the contest at two a-piece. After stopping the first twenty-three shots, Emery let in two of the next three, both of which were extremely stoppable.
The Flyers had to work hard to get momentum in their direction, but the Caps stole it back quickly and easily.
Third Period
The Flyers played an absolutely outstanding third period. They drew two penalties and took none, and kept the action in the Washington end for the vast majority of the frame. The Flyers, who had trailed the Caps in shots through two, doubled up their opponents in the category in the third, outshooting them 20-10. The Flyers dominated every category but scoring, which according to NHL rules is the category used to determine the winner of the game.
Alex Semin gave the Caps the lead early in the third, on a high shot from the top of the circles that deflected, but far enough up ice that Emery should have had time to adjust. Alex Ovechkin sealed the Washington win in the last minute with an empty netter, after Backstrom and Semin both passed up clear looks at the net to get the reigning MVP the puck. I don't know if it's a team effort to pad Ovechkin's stats, but it was bizarre seeing the two open forwards work to get the puck to the only covered player as the net sat open.
Despite being outscored by two in the final frame, the effort level in the third was unquestionable. The Flyers won puck battles time and time again, outworking and out-chancing the Caps convincingly. Darroll Powe even managed to draw a penalty shot after being dragged down on a breakaway, but wasn't able to do anything close to anything with his one on one opportunity. Jose Theodore was simply outstanding, and didn't allow for the Flyers to make good on any of a multitude of chances.
The Flyers and Caps meet again in early December, back in Philadelphia. If they put up 43 shots again and control play as well as they did tonight, it's hard to think they won't come away from that one with a win.
Miscellaneous
- The last time these two teams met in the nation's capital, the Caps were the ones with the 2-0 lead in the second period before the Flyers answered with four unanswered goals.
- After scoring a goal in three straight games, Arron Asham has been held to 8:01 and 8:38 of ice time in the last two games. Why?
- The Flyers had been 5-1-1 when scoring the first goal going into this game.
- Asham's ice time is sparse, but it must seem like an eternity to Riley Cote, who saw only 3:08 of action, including no time in the third period. After the game, still understandably full of energy, Cote was doing pushups in the locker room. What is the point of dressing they guy if you don't trust him to play any meaningful shifts? A seventh defenseman like Oskars Bartulis or someone like a Jared Ross or Jon Kalinski would seem to be a much more appropriate substitute.
Questions With Answers
- How much is Simon Gagne's absence felt by the team's offense? 43 shots for the Orange and Black, so it's hard to say he was missed too much.
- How convincingly will Washington dominate in the faceoff circle, and how big an impact will it have? Faceoffs didn't seem to be a big factor in this one, except for the Flyers second goal, which was scored shortly after winnning an offensive zone draw on the powerplay. Flyers only won 46% of the draws, but it wasn't a big reason for the loss.
- Can Ovechkin and Semin be held to less than four goals tonight? Setting the bar low, I know... Barely. The Alexes netted three, including Ovechkin's empty netter.
- The Flyers are impressively third best in shots for and fifth best in shots against, but can they outshoot the always offensive-minded Caps? They were trailing by three in the shot count through two, but dominated 20-10 in the third. Didn't mean much, though.
- Which of the visiting Flyers' dads gets to leave the game the proudest of his boy? Tough to say. Definitely not Papa Timonen though, as Kimmo was a -3 on the night.
A few days off, then Carolina at home on Saturday. Five wins in the first ten games is definitely below expectations, but the season is still young.
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The Flyers won 46% of the faceoffs tonight. Richards was 12/21, but interestingly got manhandled by David Steckel (1/5). I went back and looked at old reports, and in previous years it wasn’t an issue. But the earlier game this year Steckel went 7-11 against Richards. I went back, and it wasn’t the trend last season.
OKT takes a dumb retaliation penalty. Powe moronically runs the goalie while killing a penalty. Unbelievable.
And they took a too many men penalty, but we don’t know whowas involved, because Versus never bothered to show it.
Giroux inexplicably chose not to mark Ovechkin on his first goal.
Time on ice
Pronger 30:41
Carle 25:54
Timmonen 25:23
Coburn 21:21
OKT 8:06
Syvret 8:40
Getting Parent back still only gives you five serviceable defensemen.
Holmgren has about two weeks to make a move to start fixing this team before they’re in deep trouble. They have some winnable games until then (Carolina, Tampa, Buffalo, Ottawa) before they play the Devils and then go off on a west coast road trip.
If you take out the first two games of the season, which are looking like real outliers, the Flyers are 3-4-1, 26 GF and 29GA.
Looking at the shift logs you’ll see that JVR rewarded himself with a 1:46 shift in the third period, which must’ve been a real treat.
Kimmo was -3, Coburn was -1. Maybe it’s Kimmo dragging Braydon down?
I thought the Richards-Ovechkin collision created an incredibly inciteful image of the two players. It came from the replay versus showed, but is not online. The regular view doesn’t do it justice:
Richards sees the collision coming, positions himself to stay in the play by bouncing off the boards, and heads off after the puck immediately. Ovechkin leaves his feet and drops his stick, taking him out of the play. Ovechkin makes it look good, but Richards makes the smart hockey play.
I thought the Richards-Ovechkin collision created an incredibly inciteful image of the two players. It came from the replay versus showed, but is not online. The regular view doesn’t do it justice:
Richards sees the collision coming, positions himself to stay in the play by bouncing off the boards, and heads off after the puck immediately. Ovechkin leaves his feet and drops his stick, taking him out of the play. Ovechkin makes it look good, but Richards makes the smart hockey play.
I think the word you trying to use was insightful, but anyway.
The reason Ovechkin was out of the play after Richards failed on his attempted hit (and took the worst of it) was Hartnell, who WWE tackled Ovechkin from behind and continued to hold him down on the ice and inexplicably got away with it.
Also this whole “Ovechkin leaves his feet” crap that gets spewed out needs to stop. Again, check the video, His skates never leave the ice.
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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 28, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
No. The reason Ovechkin was out of the play was the fact that he dropped his stick while trying to hit Richards, and Richards held his stick and stayed on his feet.
To clarify, I don’t mean he jumped into richards, I mean he fell down, because he threw his weight recklessly in order to make it seem like a bigger hit than it was.
In reality, it was a glancing blow and Ovechkin took himself out of the play.
haha. Yeah. It had nothing to do with Hartnell jumping on top of him.
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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 28, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right, it didn’t. Ovechkin lost his stick as the players collided, then he bent over to pick it up, then hartnell pushed him.
Those are the facts.
ovechkin bent over to cover the puck, not to pick up his stick. hartnell jumped on him as he played the puck.
by Natty Bumppo on Oct 29, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
But, since you seem to be troubled by viewer comprehension, I broke it down for you:


As you can see, in the second photo, Richards is ready to skate away after the puck while Ovechkin still doesn’t even have a stick.
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
look where his stick is. it’s behind him and to the left (in the lower photo, just to our right of hartnell’s left thigh). he’s playing the puck, not retrieving his stick.
by Natty Bumppo on Oct 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s Hartnell’s stick. In Hartnell’s hand.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i disagree, but i can’t offer you photo evidence. you can’t see ovechkin’s stick in the pic if that’s the case. from the live game i remember AO’s stick was behind him and he squatted over the puck.
by Natty Bumppo on Oct 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Ovechkin picking up his stick, on the ice, along the boards.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 29, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed with MarioD OMFG
Ovie goes for the big kill shot hit and takes himself out of the play at times. Not that it matters his physical presence and edge is what makes him so great, I haven’t see that combination of talent and intimidating physical play in a player since Eric Lindros. A Richards Ovie fight would be great to see if one of these games get out of hand.
It happened already, in the preseason a few years back. Richie owned him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_cj3_kQXuU
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 28, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We act like Richards has never taken himself out of the play to make a hit. He does it every time we play the Penguins if Cindy looks vulnerable . . .
by Mitchell Green on Oct 28, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Powe call was questionable Crosby scored a goal just like that in the playoffs last year no call and Theodore was out of the crease and the puck was there 1st. Once again the long JVR shift, OKT penalty extended ice time for the top D-Men had nothing to due with the outcome of the game. Kimmo was only – 2 empty netter aside if we could only scored on some of those really good scoring chances while he was out there his +/- would look a lot better. On the road we are going to lean on our top 4 D-Men 25 – 30 minutes a game is what they are going to be getting leaving bottom pair with about 10 especially when the game is close in the 3rd.
If you take out the first two games of the season, which are looking like real outliers, the Flyers are 3-4-1, 26 GF and 29GA.
Statements like these are what drive me crazy with your posts is that you spin up stats in some crazy you want to make the team or the guys who dislike look bad.
If you take out games against none playoff teams from last year we are 1-1 6 GF 5 GA if you take out games against non-division winners from last year we are 3-2, 13 GF and 10 GA and most important we are 3-0 on Saturday games 10 GF and 6 GA.
I don’t know if it’s a team effort to pad Ovechkin’s stats,
C’mon. You guys are better than this. It was an effort to not get an icing call if they missed the empty net.
Semin was in the defensive zone and passed to Backstrom who passed to Ovechkin a couple steps out of the Defensive zone, catching Ovechkin in stride a couple steps before center ice.
see for yourself HERE
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Have to disagree about Emery...
…on all three goals, I don’t think he really had much of a chance on the ones the Caps got by him. Going in reverse:
On the third goal, the puck was deflected a bit, but it was deflected to the top corner, stick side, just under the cross bar and near the post. That’s probably the hardest save for any goaltender out there (stickside, short side, just under the crossbar.). I don’t think Marty Brodeur on a good night makes that save….
On the second, it’s likely that Emery missed the puck because Backstrom didn’t get all of it. If Backstrom gets it solid, Emery is probably in position. That it was a bit off-speed, it made it a trickier save.
On the first goal… if you give AO a shot from less than 15 feet out in the slot, he’s going to bury it most of the time…. there’s a reason the guy leads the league in goals since the lock out.
I agree both teams played well, and the Flyers were for part of the game the better team (definitely the first 15 of the second.) The first period was fairly evenly played, and the third, while the Flyers were getting shots on goal, a lot of them were ones where Theo could see them coming pretty easily.
Still 2 more match-ups, December in Philly, January in DC (likely on NBC)…
Let's go Caps!
I was at the game and it was definitely close the whole time. Lots of Flyers fans there too. It was a solid effort, just couldn’t get anything finished. On my metro ride home I had a caps fan apologize to me for beating us… I was a bit confused…
I was there too, and there weren’t that many flyers fans. Less than normal for sure.
"And next year it will be ours."
I’d say it was about average for the last 3 years, a smattering of us here and there. I also had a confusing Caps fan incident — I got a high five and a “let’s go Flyers” from one when the game was tied at 2.
by SteelBirdFlyer on Oct 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
continuing theme on BSH
Here is what everyone is going to be complaining about following a loss even though it had little to do with the outcome of the game.
Poor defense, Kimmo and Coburn minus again
Stevens sucks as a coach
OKT and Syvert are not NHL players
Emery horrible in goal
Flyers can’t hold a lead
blah, blah, blah, blah
Bottom line:
We are not built to not do we try to win games 2 -1 or 1 – 0 we are not letting up on the attack which is going to result in higher scoring games 4-2, 4-3, 3-2 games we have score 3 or more to win or Emery is going to have to play out of his mind, like he did game 1. You can’t expect that every night, the goals will come it is still October. The loses are a matter of execution not strategy or effort don’t panic all the pieces are in place the wins will come. Unlike last year we are out shooting and out chancing and for the most part outplaying our opponents bad luck and major defensive breakdowns/giveaways cost us the Ducks and Pens game. Failure to score goals cost us the Caps, Sharks, and Panthers games. The mistakes on D are down eventually the puck will start bouncing our way for the guys up front. I think the lines need to be more consistent to allow chemistry to develop so those near misses will become goals. Patience and a continuing strong effort from forwards is all we need, and once again if we play like that more often than not we will be walking away a 5-2 winner.
Interesting stat: When Kimmo is on the ice, the Flyers save percentage is a team worst .911. When he’s giving up the fourth most shots per 60 minutes, that’s not good. (For reference, Coburn is giving up the 6th most per 60, with a .924 save percentage.)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I mailed a rabbit’s foot and horseshoe to Kimmo this morning he seems to be cursed this year. You can take that Semin shot a 1000 times and I bet it doesn’t go top corner like that more than a handful of times.
It was a great shot, maybe a perfect shot. No goalie’s going to stop that one very often. The only way in most cases is if the puck somehow hits the upper shaft of the goalie stick…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He planned on hitting Timonen’s leg? Was he in the McDonald’s commercial with Gretzky?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a perfectly placed shot, and it even nicked off Timonen a little bit. Emery probably went down to try to force Semin to shoot high and beat him with a perfect shot, which he did. If Emery stood up then Semin might have shot low and scored anyway. There’s no way to be sure.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
the shot deflected off his own defender. it deflected upwards. that wasn’t 20 feet away, and it was after emery had a beat on it.
by Natty Bumppo on Oct 29, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
regardless, a deflection and a fluttering pick that slides in just under the crossbar make for a near impossible save.
by Natty Bumppo on Oct 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, he is standing up right there. And if he doesn’t see the shot, as I would imagine he didn’t (as evidenced by his reaction time), almost every goalie in the league will drop to the butterfly to make himself as big as possible. It’s the best move a goalie can make when he doesn’t know where the puck is going to go. I can’t find anything wrong with what Emery did there, except maybe that he should be a step or two further out of his net. (And he’s already at the edge of his crease)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 29, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he needs to be further out in this case, because of the guy cutting through the slot.
I also agree with what you’re saying about going down because he didn’t see it, and I’m sure he’s taught to do it.
I just hate that theory. It’s not an Emery thing, its a philosophy thing. I would rather the goalie stand up and be better able to move. In this situation, Kimmo’s legs are blocking off the far side of the net, if Emery stands up on the near side, there’s no goal. Instead, he goes down.
I understand it’s harder to lift the puck to shoot it on the ground. And back when butterfly-style developed, it was more effective. But now, everyone butterflies all the time, so shooters all talk about getting the puck up. The adjustment has been made by all shooters, its time for goaltenders to make counter-adjust and start standing more.
Yeah, I don’t think he has to be further out, but that was the only thing I could find fault with.
I definitely see what you’re saying about the butterfly philosophy thing. To me, that’s the reason Varlamov is struggling in D.C. Every goal he gives up seems to be over his shoulder while he’s on his knees. (insert sex joke here.)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps but why take the chance? that semin guy, he doesn’t have a dangerous shot or anything…
why is kimmo skating back deeper into the zone instead of coming up and challenging? giving away the blue line and a free shot to any skater who wants it is, has been, and will continue to be, our biggest problem.
In Timonen’s defense, Semin makes a lot of people who try to challenge him at the blueline look really silly.
He’s got top-5 talent, but his head isn’t always in the game and he gets injured a lot. When he’s on, he’s the most skilled player on the Caps roster. Yes, seriously. Which is part of why he’s so maddening – he clearly has skill in incredible abundance, but he doesn’t bring that game every night, or even for an entire night. We get glimpses, flashes and take-your-breath-away moves, followed by stupid stick penalties and slapshots in shootouts. There’s no player in the NHL that confuses me more often than Alexander Semin, but you can’t argue with his results. Usually. Sometimes.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is it that every other fanbase thinks we are a bunch of whiners? Among the many whines in their game thread last night, (and those in their game recap) this one just popped up in their morning links post:
the comments over there [BSH], and the whining, do nothing to dispel certain stereotypes about Philly fans.
Obviously, cherry picking is cherry picking, but I’m just not in the mood for hypocritical stereotypes in October. Thank you for letting me waste both yours, and my, time.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
and the throwing of beer bottles at other teams’ star players while they’re doing an on-ice interview after the game also does nothing to dispel other perceived notions about our fans being classless and—-
…wait
that wasn’t philly fans, was it?
i’m sorry, does that constitute whining? wouldn’t want to feed the stereotypes.
That happened?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Where were you?
After Lupol won Game Seven, there was an interview on ice with Jeff Carter and the Washington fans hit him in the head with a beer bottle during the interview. There are like 5,000 youtubes of it out there, go look.
Oh, then. haha, I thought he meant last night. That night in question I was out partying, and had only seen the clips after the fact.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Lupul got hit with a pizza box in the celebration, too, IIRC.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 28, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously. When the Phils win the World Series, I’m not gonna come close to caring about how sad Yanks fans are. Your team won, isn’t that enough anymore?
I don’t know if its me, but it seems like there’s some obsession in other fanbases with caring about us. I was bombarded on Twitter on Sunday after writing that piece about the NHL getting the Richards call right. Almost every reply was from a Penguins fan. Why the hell do they care so much? It’s amazing that some of those people still have an inferiority complex about us after winning the Cup.
A lot of the same goes with Caps fans, too, although they are much better than Pens fans.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely. I’m thinking that we need to take this and run with it, much in the way we are now proud (or at least accepting and understanding) of throwing snowballs at santa clause. It’s become that ridiculous now. People throw out these criticisms that are meant to offend us, with no relevance, context, or proof. Hell yeah we threw snowballs at santa clause. Did you hear that on ESPN? Good for you. Yeah we threw batteries at J.D. Drew, what of it?
From now on, I’m just going to ask Pens fans when they’re getting those fancy Pink hats and jerseys. Caps fans, them I just don’t get yet. We have a very similar team, with neither of us doing anything recently. Why the hate?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even hate the Caps team. I borderline like them, even. Exciting to watch.
The jumpy celebration crap is annoying, though. Act like you’ve scored a goal before.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 28, 2009 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s because other fanbases have become so provincial—or maybe they always have been but the internet makes people feel they can say the stuff more freely than ever before—they let their rooting interests reflect how they feel about their lives, city, etc. As if a team winning or losing validates the worth of an entire city (or the reverse should they lose). i.e. Your team sucks, ergo your whole city sucks. I’ve gotten that nugget tossed at me so many times I cannot count.
It’s all a load of horsecrap.
Capitals
They remind me of the Lindros-era Flyers. They have the most powerful top line in the league (arguably); they do not have tons of secondary scoring; their goaltending is good enough to win games but not championships; their defense is so-so.
Capitals-Flyers is a more fun rivalry than Flyers-Pens. In the latter there are always a lot of sour grapes from either side because one of the teams is dominant for long stretches. The Flyers and Capitals, by tradition, always seem to be more evenly matched. Some of my fondest hockey memories are Flyers-Capitals games.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I agree. I love playing the Capitals, probably my favorite games on the schedule.
I would love a Winter Classic with them on the reflecting pool in front of the Lincoln Memorial.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 29, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, that would be awesome, if impossible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 29, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Caps and Pens fans
Both fanbases suck and didn’t follow their teams until Crosby and Ovechkin arrived. Yeah the atmosphere in Washington was loud and exciting but show clips from 5 years ago and you would think you were in Philly. I hate the Rangers but they have good fans, Toronto even Buffalo have great fans who stick by their teams win or lose. Ask these great Capitals fans to name 5 players from their 1998 Cup Run I bet they can’t and that was when they were good.
Oh man, I still have a cut-out from the hockey news of Dale Hunter missing the wide open net in a crucial spot.
Not to be a dick, but as devil’s advocate, that will happen – if it hasn’t already – to the Phillies fan base. Different sport, but same phenomenon.
Lastly, Penguins fans are by far worse than Caps fans. I see the comparison, but I feel like Caps fans will at least admit that they had shitty teams and they cared less. You ask a Penguins fan that, they’ll either lie to you or make some excuse for why they couldn’t name any 2003 Penguins.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 29, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the atmosphere in Washington was loud and exciting but show clips from 5 years ago and you would think you were in Philly.
… are you saying Philly isn’t loud and exciting?
Consider my eyebrow raised.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 29, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Generalizations like this are teh stupid.
Both fanbases suck and didn’t follow their teams until Crosby and Ovechkin arrived.
That’s a bold statement coming from a Flyers fan whose Flyers memory seems to start with Lindros.
from the house that Red Jesus built
What are you talking about. First off, most of us range in age from 20-30. Lindros broke in in 1992. When the eldest of us were like 12. So, yes, our memories of the Flyers do in fact start with Lindros.
Second, even during the few down years the Flyers had (like 1989-1993), the Spectrum was basically sold out every night.
Compare that with the Penguins who went into bankruptcy during their lean years, and the Caps who struggled to sell out home playoff games two seasons ago, and his point is more than valid.
Actually, it’s not valid at all, and youth is no excuse to ignore that all three of these teams have been around for about the same number of years and have developed pretty rabid fanbases since the late 60’s and early 70’s
Youth is also no excuse for making a broad and specious generalization that entire fanbases “suck and didn’t follow their teams” until a couple of marquee players come on the scene. I’ll be the first one to say Ovechkin has ignited a lot of new supporters in DC, as has Crosby in Pittsburgh, but I sure don’t confuse them with a typical fanbase and it’s a mistake to argue that these johnny-come-latelys are the base.
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I agree with you that broad generalizations are unfair and they don’t represent the entire fanbase, but you simply can’t defend the fact that the Verizon Center crowds were very small in very recent history.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 29, 2009 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True, absolutely. You should have seen how empty the old Capital Centre used to get, out in the boondocks of Maryland way out of Metro range (hmm, that sounds familiar).
And, speaking of old stadiums, the Spectrum is still among my all time favorite away venues…that was a tough place to play.
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You were talking about memories. Youth is a pretty good defense to not remembering something before you were born.
The fact is, when the Flyers were bad, the Spectrum still sold out most nights. When the Pens were bad, so few people came out that they went bankrupt. When the Caps were bad, they relied on Flyers fans buying tickets to stay afloat.
You were talking about memories.
No, I’m talking about history.
When the Caps were bad, they relied on Flyers fans buying tickets on Abe Pollin’s eternal patience and deep pockets to stay afloat.
Hell, they still aren’t making money today. Don’t let the financials dictate your impression of what any team’s fanbase strength is.
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They act like we are trying to dispel the stereotypes they have created for us. I don’t give a fuck what any Capitals fan thinks about us. Stereotypes? Bring em on. They act like I am ashamed of being intimidating, loyal and proud. Sounds like jealousy to me . . .
by Mitchell Green on Oct 28, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, that’s the thing. We are all those things, but people don’t see us that way. Whatever, the athletes understand that’s what we are.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions

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