Jones on Re-Entry Waivers, Gagne to LTIR, Shanahan Rumors False
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
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According to both Bob McKenzie and Tim Panaccio, the Flyers have placed defenseman Randy Jones on re-entry waivers.
There is no word yet on whether he will be playing, but with Simon Gagne expected to go on the LTIR, the Flyers will have the cap space to fit Jones under the salary cap.
If a team does claim him, both the Flyers and the claiming team would be responsible for half of his $2.75 million cap hit.
From Tim Panaccio:
This may be an indication that Simon Gagne will go on long-term injury, which would allow Jones to come back onto the Flyers' roster and give them more defensive depth.
My question is, if Jones plays, does he get more than 8:38 of ice time?
UPDATE - 4:23 PM: In a conference call, Paul Holmgren has told the media that Simon Gagne will indeed head to the long-term injury reserve. Surgery has been recommended for him, but he will seek a second opinion. He said that, despite the extra cap room that is now freed up, the team has absolutely no interest in acquiring Brendan Shanahan, despite reports that came out over the weekend.
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It indicates to me that Jones being demoted to the AHL was more a factor of his “cap hit” vs. Randy Jones sucks worse than Syvret and OKT.
I guess we’ll see which one is actually the worst defenseman by who gets to eat popcorn in the press box Saturday (assuming that Jones clears waivers of course)
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by HockeyOutsiders on Oct 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way in hell Jones is on the Flyers roster and not playing. His situation is all money.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 28, 2009 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just look here for your answer.
And that’s when he was injured.
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing his GA/60 and SA/60 from last year (while injured) still put him in the bottom three among defenseman this year. His 32.3 SA/60 would be dead last on this year’s team, with Kimmo currently last at 28.6. His 2.41 GA/60 would put him sixth, ahead of only Kimmo (5.57) and Braydon (4.35). But, obviously, there is a small sample size for this year’s numbers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring only to his game-by-game TOI from last season.
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well he was fourth in average TOI last year, which would put him 5th on this year’s team. But with how Stevens is rolling his defensive lines…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this miraculously works out, I’d say you’re definitely going to see these pairings on Saturday:
Pronger-Carle
Kimmo-Coburn
Jones-Parent
And I think Jones gets a chance to win a second line job.
BUT
Can I ask a question that everyone inexplicably has dropped?
Why was Bartulis called up? It’s been five days, and still no one has bothered to ask which defenseman is hurt.
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d guess that it was just in case someone got hurt. With Parent out, they had no spare defenseman. Again, I’m just speculating, but they probably just wanted Bartulis in town, easily available to play, rather than risk dressing 5 defensemen.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coach John Stevens said Bartulis was called up because one of the Flyers defenseman was questionable heading into Sunday’s game.
And no one had a follow-up question, which is bafflingly incompetent of them.
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I had not read that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I haven’t mentioned it in the Coburn conversations because it was entirely speculative, but after last night when he got reduced ice time, I am starting to think it’s either OKT or Coburn.
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it’s Coburn and maybe he’s been hurt since before the season began? It would somewhat explain his play so far (maybe?)
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by HockeyOutsiders on Oct 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please dear god in heaven let Homer get out from under this mistake…
Also, even if this works out, this continues to have been incredibly fucking stupid. They will lose all of their cap space if some other team claims him.
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s hysterical at this point though.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Oct 28, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are helped by Gagne if he goes on LTIR, but they still shouldn’t have been in this situation in the first place.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 28, 2009 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. The organization will be completely fucked if someone else claims Jones.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
64% (25 of 39) of Preds fans want them to claim Jones
I will really be shocked if he gets through waivers, but I can hope…
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn’t.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Oct 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great work there, welcome to two hours ago: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2009/10/29/1106206/fire-paul-holmgren-now-kings-claim
by MarioD on Oct 29, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit! There are too many places to look on this site. I was looking for a main blog. haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Oct 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah, yeah. Apologies from us. All three of us were out today and couldn’t get something up right away.
That’s what makes the FanShots such a nice feature, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 29, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought...
… that if some team claims Randy off re-entry waivers, then we are only responsible for half of his cap space? Or is that if we traded him? Inquiring minds wanna know.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Oct 28, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right.
The Flyers have $1,848,000 in cap space. The half of Jones’ cap hit will be $1,375,000. Leaving less room than the NHL minimum contract.
by MarioD on Oct 29, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add Gagne’s 5.25 million cap hit to that, though.
Granted, we don’t know when he’ll be back, so we don’t know when that’ll be an issue again. But for now, they can exceed the cap by that 5.25 million.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 29, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that’s still earmarked for gagne. LTIR only has to be like 20 days or something, so it all depends on how long it takes him to heal.
If they lose Jones tomorrow morning, he also takes the cushion Holmgren was so emphatic about keeping this year.
by MarioD on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why this is a risky move. I’m thinkin Homer isn’t the best cap-guy…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why he never should’ve sent him down in the first place. JVR could be going down and up with no problems. The Jones move had to be treated as a permanent, final decision. Considering they’re now trying to undo it less than a month later…
by MarioD on Oct 29, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it should have been a permanent, final decision. Placing him on re-entry waivers made absolutely no sense. None. If you send him down, he’s spending the entire year in the AHL. You clearly don’t think Jones should have been sent down in the first place, but we can both agree that once that move is made, this was the worst possible thing Homer could have done with Jones.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. But I’m going to add that, now, in retrospect, it’s pretty clear he shouldn’t have been sent down. The Flyers decided that Syvret and OKT can’t replace him.
by MarioD on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not even sure that’s what they decided. Not to pick a fight that really isn’t important, but we both know Homer effed up. And while it fits your theory that Syvret and OKT aren’t NHL-caliber defenseman, it’s putting logic behind Homer’s decision that is illogical. Either Homer called up Jones after deciding Syvret and OKT can’t replace Jones – in which case, he’s an idiot because there’s no way Jones is clearing waivers with a big fat 50% off sticker; Homer called up Jones because they finally had the cap space to afford him with Gagne going on LTIR – in which case, see the same reasoning above; or Homer called up Jones for no reason whatsoever – which is what I tend to believe.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this basically gives certain players a 25 game tryout doesn’t it? What happens when Gagne returns? Assuming Jones clears and is placed back on the team they are gonna have to make cap space to get Gags back on the roster. A few players gotta go. Unless we have some injuries, what are Homer’s options?
by flyrsfrk05 on Oct 28, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They can send JVR down. By the time Gagne returns, JVR will be approaching or have hit his wall already anyway.
by MarioD on Oct 29, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, before we start discussing waivers, could everyone please read this:
http://www.nhlscap.com/waivers.htm
1) Pertinent facts:
Randy was 22 in 2003 when he signed his ELC
2)
…before November 1, then priority is set by the final standings in the prior League’s Regular Season, with the worst team having 1st priority.
3) Page 75 of the CBA states that waiver requests made on a wednesday have a 24 hour claim period. So some other team has until tomorrow morning at whatever time the Flyers made the waiver request this morning.
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Panaccio confirmed on Twitter that Gagne is indeed headed to LTIR, freeing up his cap space. I’d link it but I’m on my phone.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Randy Jones on re-entry waivers
absolutely no interest in acquiring Brendan Shanahan
And it’s not even my birthday!
by MarioD on Oct 28, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is there anybody that really wanted Shanahan? I like the guy but I wouldn’t of given up anybody on the current(I don’t count Cote as a professional Hockey player, just a waste of skates) roster for him
by JpH89 on Oct 28, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing with him is that he left the Devils because he wasn’t going to get a spot on the top two lines. I wouldn’t mind him, a great player and cheap, but not on the top two lines.
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