Game 11, Preview and Open Thread: Afternoon Hockey! Carolina Hurricanes at Philadelphia Flyers
by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 12:24 PM EDT
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Carolina Hurricanes at Philadelphia Flyers, Oct 31, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
In a Halloween matinee, the struggling Carolina Hurricanes visit South Philly to take on the also struggling Flyers. These two teams are in similar situations right now, both not playing up to lofty expectations while also bit hard by the injury bug.
Unless you live under a rock, or in some sort of Phillies haze (which is totally acceptable, by the way), you're aware that both Simon Gagne and Danny Briere are injured and out of the lineup. Briere left practice yesterday with groin pain and Gagne will need surgery for two hernias, leaving him out of the lineup indefinitely. Terrible news for the Flyers, but there's also a little bit of good news on the same front as defenseman Ryan Parent and forward Blair Betts both return from injury.
Parent's addition on the back end is a welcome sight to a defensive corps that has struggled all year long. John Stevens will be separating the Kimmo Timonen - Braydon Coburn pairing in hopes to shake up the defense. Kimmo will play with Parent today -- the two were partners for most of last season.
David Laliberte has been called up to take Briere's spot in the lineup and will make likely his NHL debut today. Here are the full expected lines.
Scott Hartnell - Mike Richards - Claude Giroux
James van Riemsdyk - Jeff Carter - Arron Asham
Mika Pyorala - Darroll Powe - Ian Laperriere
Dan Carcillo - Blair Betts - David Laliberte
Matt Carle - Chris Pronger
Ryan Parent - Kimmo Timonen
Braydon Coburn - Danny Syvret or Ole-Kristian Tollefsen
Ray Emery will start in goal for the Flyers. He's opposed by Cam Ward Michael Leighton.
After the jump, some more on the Hurricanes and a few questions to answer this afternoon.
If you thought the Flyers were in bad shape, you should be lucky you aren't a fan of Eastern Conference Finalist Carolina. Losers of seven straight, the Canes are suffering through injuries to Erik Cole and Tim Gleason. Both are questionable for today. Here's more on the Canes, courtesy of Canes Country...
The Hurricanes enter the game with plenty to work on as they try to improve upon their current 13th position in the Eastern Conference.
They are allowing more goals per game, (3.5 average) than every team in the East except for Toronto and Florida. If they keep on the current pace, they will end up allowing 287 goals this season after allowing just 226 last year. (Remember that Anton Babchuk was the problem?)
Not only do the Canes need to shore up the defense, but their scoring is also down. They currently average 2.3 goals per game, which equates to 189 at year end. Last season the team scored 239.
Rough days in Raleigh. Here's to hoping the Flyers can take advantage and get a much needed victory today.
Questions To Answer
- Can the Flyers kick the struggling Hurricanes while they are down?
- How does Laliberte play in his first NHL game?
- Do the changes on the blueline have any effect?
- How do Betts and Parent look in their first games back?
- How does the threat of a SEPTA strike tonight, accompanied by city-wide Phillies phever, put a damper on the crowd today?
Luckily, the first matinee of the season allows us to catch both teams in action today. The games' on CSN locally and on the air at 610 WIP. As always, join us here for the conversation, and LET'S GO FLYERS!
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Leighton in for Carolina. Unexpected, he just had a kid.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do you expect them to break up Carcillo-Betts-Laperriere?
by MarioD on Oct 31, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I read in a few different places.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JVR-Carter-Pyro starting with Parent and Kimmo. Interesting.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hello gentlemen…lets see a win today.
Nash for 8 More, Baby!
by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we can’t beat this team, I’m gonna be severely angry.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mmmmm leftover pizza hut
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hartnell’s M.O. rears its ugly head again…. penalty.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Orange + Black need a mental pick-me up that only comes from winning.
Nash for 8 More, Baby!
by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kimmo just showed the limit of his offensive skills on that one
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got to give Emery some credit that he isn’t playing bad for us. Just need him more clutch.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Samsonov just ate Carter’s stick.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carle is big
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That IS some good news…didn’t hear that
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Carcillo just draw another penalty? Wow.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s that Michael Leighton I remember.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HEY! 1-0!
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weak goal for Leighton
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
scoring in 2 straight games for Hartnell?
Nash for 8 More, Baby!
by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see Betts going right after it there, not worried about the shoulder.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fell right onto his stick.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, awesome to see. At least his groin didn’t disintegrate while taking the shot.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laliberte! Nice start!
2-0!
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
goal wise he has matched Gagne’s effort already…good to see.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His goal was from about the same angle as Gagne’s, too.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he is. When he plays like this, he grows on me
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carle! wrap around!
3-0
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I repeat, Carle is big
Nash for 8 More, Baby!
by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap, had no idea this was an afternoon game.
But I like what I’m seeing.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow Hartnell has three points already
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Laliberte as a solid NHLer is a surprisingly convincing Halloween costume.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was definitely impressive when I saw him with the Phantoms last season, but I’m surprised he was the first call up.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could get used to that accent
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Over/under on Ward starting the second?
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure how over/under works in this situation, but I say yes.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWO Flyer nominees in this category
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=58056&navid=DL|NHL|home
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad we’re probably going to win this one, because having the same number of points as the Islanders just doesn’t sit well with me.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
when you put it like that, a win does seem like a must
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what would be fun? Winning by like fifteen.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Homer says they’ll have an update on Gagne at 5PM. There are still “conflicting views” from the doctors.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Briere got one of those platelet-rich plasma shots Gagne’s gotten before and is still day-to-day, but doubtful for Monday’s game.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i had a philly player on my roster to pad fantasy stats…then again it would be nice to have a real goalie :S
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a bad start to the period. 3-1
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I take it back! 4-1!
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are getting our asses handed to us in this period so far.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats the type of response we need when we get scored on
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like NOT the fourth line, which was the response in Washington.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laliberte with two points
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand at all why there was a roughing penalty there…
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s dumb.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asham Smash’em
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL, lots o’ fights.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did they really just cut away from live action to show Pronger’s eyebrow?
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Emery! Two great saves
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s the first in-game breakaway that he’s stopped?
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feels like it.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are shots really 16-6 Carolina in this period?
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile, how thrilled is Claude Giroux to already be trailing Laliberte in goals on the season?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That game on Monday is going to be weird. That place is going to be the emptiest it’s probably been ever for a Flyers game.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, seriously. I’m not happy about the time change and I’m sure a ton of people are in the same boat.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Coatesy does is scream. During games, during Coatesy’s Corner, during these Big Mouth segments…
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s so terrible
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you guys talking about?! he made the incredible observation that harrison pulled the front of laperriere’s jersey over his head- not the back! he’s just so brilliant, i can’t stand it
by eeeeee on Oct 31, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse. Joe Buck and Tim McCarver could be hockey announcers, too.
by doubleh on Oct 31, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coatesy’s called Lappy “Lapierre” and now so has Jonesy.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugly goal for Coburn, but a goal nonetheless.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coburn scores in back to back games. WTF?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Coby is finally turning it around?
by doubleh on Oct 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn’t get much worse…knock on wood.
by doubleh on Oct 31, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOAH Coburn!!!
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wipe the sleepies out your eyes
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see that JVR got up quickly.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any idea what the crowd has been chanting?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know but i really want to. it’s something about the yankees, i believe
by eeeeee on Oct 31, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh, that’s weird. Why would they be chanting something about the Yankees?
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees suck. They were chanting it last night at the Sixers game, too.
by doubleh on Oct 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All 14,000 people at the Sixers home opener. ~66.5% attendance at the home opener is disgusting.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure is. This has never been a particularly strong NBA town, though, if you ask me.
by doubleh on Oct 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dunno. i can’t think of any reason why philadelphia would harbor animosity for an AL team that we see once a year
by eeeeee on Oct 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s still New York. AL or not, everybody hates the Yankees.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It certainly was “Yankees Suck”. Mainly, the game was out of control, a lot of fans had already left, and somebody held up a sign.
Coincidentally, it was probably the only time I condone a chant for a different sport during a game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember when the Flyers were in the playoffs back in 2008 and the Phils were doing a west coast swing. It was late in the game, the Phils were up by a lot, and you could clearly hear “Let’s Go Flyers” chants. In Arizona.
Last year, when the Eagles played SF in SF, during the NLCS, at the end of the game (Phi won 40-26) all the Phi and SF fans banded together and chanted “Beat LA”.
I love it when teams collide like this.
by doubleh on Oct 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s only fitting for the Flyers to win on Halloween.
by doubleh on Oct 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell of a win, but man is Carcillo useless.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Coburn continue improving and Hartnell to keep putting that puck in the net alongside JvR….Betts it’s nice to see you back on the ice….Let’s keep it going Orange and Black.
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by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So how many goals does that make for our d-men this season?
by doubleh on Oct 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Parent / JVR
They said that Parent aggravated the injury he already had… I don’t recall seeing JVR after Alberts boarded him. Precaution?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Oct 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JVR did not play after the hit. Not sure why, but I just looked up the shift times.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Parent played the last :38 of the game, so if he aggravated the injury… I have no idea.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braydon Coburn scored twice and wasn’t even one of the three stars.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 31, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t hear a lot of MarioD during this thread. I guess that means a good game for the Flyers. I was there and a few things that I recognized:
1. Carcillo played amazing. He was everywhere, drawing penalties, fighting, forchecking and just played awesome.
2. Betts and LaPerriere are awesome. Lappy blocked a shot with three minutes to go by sprawling out on the ice, then got up and blocked another one. That says all you need to know about him. Betts is just a solid solid defender.
3. Chris Pronger is so calm on the ice, and the whole team plays with confidence when he’s out there.
4. Ray Emery was a brick wall. The only goal he gave up there was absolutely nothing he could do about it. He made great saves all game long.
5. JVR is an absolute stud. He’s going to be an all-star very soon, and is deserving right now of a USA Olympic slot. I don’t no how it works but it would be great to get another Flyer in the tourney.
by orangeandblack20 on Oct 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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