Flyers, two fluke wins to start season?
Ok, they got a fluke win over the Carolina Whalers, I mean Hartford Hurricanes, I mean Carolina Hurricanes (sorry for the stuttering).
The Flyers caught a lucky break in the first period when a Carolina goal was waived off because the referee called a handpass by former Flyer, Andrew Alberts. If you looked at the replay, the handpass went off of Scott Hartnell, before a Hurricane player touched it. The referee made a mistake in the Orange and Black's favor, for had that goal counted it would have given the Hurricanes all the momentum and Emery would've lossed his confidence.
The NHL will give the Flyers a lot of breaks right now, because it's essential the Flyers be a strong team since they are in the Winter Classic. The NHL wants two top notch teams clashing at that event.
The Special Teams was practically flawless in the preseason and then in the opener went 8 for 8 on the PK and 2 for 5 on the Power Play (40%).
But, then the Special Teams, they ran into Martin Brodeur and the New Jersey Devils. Now Brodeur was not very sharp and the Flyers Special Teams was as sharp as Brodeur. Of course I am referring the the short handed goal the bullies gave up in the lat e stages of the game. What a soft goal by Emery? What lousy defense by Timonen (guess he has issues now that he's not the #1 D-man). It's one thing not to convert on the Power Play or get beat when short handed, but t's another to get scored on when you're up a man. What happened to the team, that a year ago was masterful when short handed and didn't allow a Short handed goal in 81 straight games?
I can tell, that is going to get in their heads and you'll see a lot of Short-handed goals scored on them this season.
Lucky for the Flyers Martin Brodeur's best days are behind him, and John Madden has left for Shy town. (You know Chris Therian mentioned the other day that Brodeur throughout his career has been vulnerable from long distance, and 4 of the Flyers 5 goals were like from 10 feet or more away from the net?).
These are 2 fluke wins and you will see, as the Flyers will play a few real hockey teams coming up here. The Cap's with Ovechkin & Mike Knuble (remember when Knuble recorded his first Hat Trick? That's right, it was against the Anaheim Ducks! and who was on that team? why! Chris Pronger!) and the Penguins with Sidney Crosby. Chris Pronger better not lace his skates for the Pens, cause if he does, Crosby will beat him up and then score a 5-on-3 short handed goal.
Welcome to 2-2, the Flyers will be forever .500 this season.
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What are you smoking?
Someone must be a scareeeeeeeed Pens fan
by orangeandblack20 on Oct 4, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else sick of this kid yet? You call yourself a flyers fan but you act like you really want them to lose.
by Parduno on Oct 4, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This guy loves to make baseless negative assumptions…
by JasonB on Oct 4, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been reading this site for almost a year now and, for whatever reason, I have never decided to register to discuss. But this brilliant post has changed all of that. I want to know what your beef is, man. Could you give this community a glimpse into your enigmatic mind? Where did you gain such astonishing knowledge of the secret, inner-workings of the NHL? How are you able to make such accurate predictions about the Flyers’ future? Where did you learn to write so well?
Time to drop the gloves, buddy.
by Baron De La Warr on Oct 4, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
Always great to have more people to discuss the Flyers with.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 4, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you seriously believe what you’re writing?
Maybe Emery could have stopped the shorthanded goal. I don’t know, I’m not an NHL goalie. But then, you couldn’t have expected him to make some of the other saves he made yesterday, because they were great chances for the Devils and even better saves by Emery. It doesn’t matter if the Flyers’ defense is right up at the top of the league, in every game, each team is going to get good chances.
More importantly, did you watch either game? Based on your other posts, it seems like you only read the box scores and maybe watch a couple of the highlights on NHL.com. Neither wins were flukes. The Flyers very simply dominated the Hurricanes. They are not a bad team. Ward was very sharp for most of the game. Cole was all over the place. But Pronger was able to shut him down. Maybe he was so good, it just looked liked they sucked. I don’t know. And yesterday’s game? Sure, Brodeur wasn’t great, but it’s not like Emery didn’t have to be just as good as Brodeur was bad.
Please go post this BS on the Pensblog. I’m sure they’d love this.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 4, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So you assume that just because Marty has lost his steam means that it was a fluke win. Couldn’t you say that the Flyers played smart and took advantage of possibly the best goalie ever. Also, even Hurricanes fans said that hand pass was an illegal play, your the only one who say’s different. Even so, we still scored 2 goals, so by logic we still would have won 2-1. The shorthanded goal wasn’t soft by any means, i bet a shot like that is a goal 75% of the time. Yes Kimo had a bad play, but your gonna tell me that he’s having a bad season because of one play. what about the other 119 mins. of spectacular play that he has put in.
I think the problem now is that the Flyers are too boring for you now. You’d rather them play like they did last year, all flash with little D. I guess you would rather have an exciting, high scoring lots of fighting match that would lose late in the year then have a REAL contender that 99% of the hockey world thinks can win the cup. well to him his own, i like the team we have and really believe that we can win, but if you think a team that plays D and is more disciplined is going in the wrong direction, well, i guess that you can’t understand the new Hockey.
by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a Devils p ussy fan
funny how jealous kids get when their teams lose, wow get a life kid
by MalibuLSV23 on Oct 4, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
stop posting drivel like this
it’s annoying and purposeless
by Alon on Oct 4, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
**He has a point!!!**
Well he has the word Flyers in his user name and he has 2 former flyers jerseys # included in his username. He cant be a Troll. I only Real Flyers fans know who Bernard Marcel Parent, and Ron Hextall are.
No one possesses the intelligence to actually create a fake profile disguised as a fan of a team they do not like. No one could be so sneaky as to post pointless crap in hopes of tricking the regular fans into believing that the flyers suck. The guy must be legit! And we ought to listen to what he has to say.
Thank you FlyersGoalies1and27 for taking the time to teach us that the flyers are a worthless team. Im sure you live a very important life and I appreciate you sacrificing your valuable time to teach stupid people like me how muck the flyers suck! Please keep up the good work, and please keep posting every day, just in case I forget how inferior the flyers are.
by Prometheus74 on Oct 4, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am really regretting defending you this summer when you were posting all those fanposts this summer. They were fine because summer was slow and it gave us stuff to talk about. Its is becoming very hard to be patient with you.
Now you post this kind of utter crap and it has gotten incredibly annoying. I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions but please just write them in comments on threads or posts by the administrators. You do not have to agree with everyone (often times people do not agree with MarioD, and we have intelligent, statistically supported conversations for example).Unless you provide full statistical and logical support for your arguments and posts, they remain unsupported and baseless and are clearly unwanted here at BSH. We welcome everyone at BSH and we want you to remain around and give your input but please heed the criticism expressed by others. This is an online community and what you say affects others.
We really try to pride ourselves here are BSH on intelligent, thought-out conversation about the Flyers. All we ask is that you do too. Thank you.
by flyrsfrk05 on Oct 4, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
A shutout and a 5-2 victory lucky, both games were on the road against playoff teams played back to back, winning those two games is such one-handed fashion is quite an accomplishment, if you watched the games Flyers dominated at even strength and lots a stuff was let go in the Carolina game following our 2pp goals. By the way because the puck hit Hartnell’s skate on a hand pass doesn’t negate it, he would have to play the puck with his stick gaining control for them to waive it off just like a delayed penalty call or a puck played with a high stick.
by chrislanci on Oct 4, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dude shut up
Emery would’ve lossed his confidence.. im not listen to anyone who says lossed .. and i generally dont care about spelling.. but what your saying is worst than spelling cat wrong .. its just complete nonsense
by jack is better than asante on Oct 4, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
This does not make any sense to me.
Granted, I’ve made some spur-of-the-moment comments (and posts) when I’ve been frustrated. I understand that. I’d understand your post more if the Flyers lost both of their openers. But they won.
- On both nights, they held their opposition to less than 30 shots.
- On booth nights, they took advantage of their scoring chances.
- On both nights, the penalty kill was spectacular.
- On both nights, Emery was spectacular. (He may have over-committed on the Langenbrunner goal, but oh well.)
- On both nights, the cornerstones of the franchise (Richards and Carter) scored.
- On both nights, Pronger looked good.
- On both nights, Daniel Carcillo played disciplined hockey.
- On both nights, the 4th line was solid.
- On both nights, JVR figured into the offense.
- On both nights, they played teams who finished ahead of them last year, in THEIR buildings, and won.
What a lucky team the Flyers are to be 2-0. All of the above must have been purely coincidental if those games were really fluke wins.
For comparison’s sake, my number 2 team (Calgary) is also 2-0 but the circumstances are different. In their first game they stormed out to a 3-0 lead early on, then the Canucks took over. The Flames won even though they were outshot something like 18-3 in the 3rd. (Reminded me of the Flyers in previous years.) In the second game, the Flames won on a last-minute fluke goal. Oilers goalie Nik Khabibulin played a puck that was going to be called for icing. He flubbed it and David Moss knocked it into the open net. (Shades of out OT loss to the Devils last September and Crosby’s GWG against us in February; both times Biron flubbed the puck.) There are a number of Flames fans who realize that their 2-0 record is a bit deceptive, and that the team needs to get it together sooner than later.
Here, we have the complete opposite. Pretty much everyone is happy with the way things have gone so far, and justifiably so. But you are not, for some reason. I’m guessing one of the following about you, and I’m not trying to insult you:
- You are the most jaded Philly sports fan ever; or,
- You have a very dry sense of humor that is evading the rest of us.
Part of me hopes that it is the latter, because some of what you write is pretty funny.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Oct 4, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Flames are my #2 also. They’re pretty awesome.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Oct 5, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow unpopular speach is not ok here. (and I thought I was in the US of A, what happened to freedom of speach?)
I apologize for my misspellings, I’m too lazy to edit my posts.
But, my little rant provided several topics of conversation.
-The Hand-pass.
-The Short-handed goal against. (and they were playing so well, that they let something like this happen so early in the season).
-Martin Brodeur being vulnerable from long rage.
-Martin Brodeur, not playing like Martin Brodeur.
-The upcoming games against the league’s posterboys (Ovechkin & Crosby).
-Mike Knuble scoring his first career hat trick against Chris Pronger’s team
-How Emery will respond to being scored on for the first time this season, and giving up a cheap short-handed goal.
by FlyersGoalies1and27 on Oct 5, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You do have freedom of speech. It’s not like your post was taken down.
There’s a difference, however, between free speech and consequence of speech. Like the cliche example goes, you’re allowed to scream fire in a crowded theater, but you better believe there are going to be consequences. If the majority of people think your opinions are crazy, you’re going to hear it.
Nothing is stopping you from having those opinions, or sharing those opinions, for that matter.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 5, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
-How Emery will respond to being scored on for the first time this season, and giving up a cheap short-handed goal.
Come on now. Ray Emery is a professional. I severely doubt he went into the season thinking he was going to shut out the opposition every night. I doubt that his confidence will be any lower now that he’s been scored upon. And a goal is a goal – no matter if it’s short-handed, even-strength, or on the power play.
Look at it this way – both of Emery’s goals against were on special teams. The Flyers are tied with the opposition on special teams, 2-2. They have outscored the opposition 5-0 during even strength. If the Flyers (and Emery) are dominant during even strength situations all season long, they can give up 20 shorties for all I care.
As for “playing against the league’s posterboys,” it’s not like they haven’t done this before. This would have been a more valid point at the beginning of the 2007-08 season.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Oct 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely won’t shake Emery – he’s won 73 games, and only had 9 shutouts in his career (including the opener this year). Most of his wins have come after giving up goals. Guys that get easily shaken after giving up one weak goal don’t make it out of Juniors.
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by The Dark on Oct 5, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what others have said
plus the complete, complete, complete irrelevance of Knuble scoring a hat trick against a Pronger team. There’s so much irrelevance about that, if someone slapped you with a cold trout I would find it more relevant than that comment.
by Alon on Oct 5, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if someone slapped you with a cold trout I would find it more relevant than that comment.
This made me crack up out loud at work
by SanDiegoScraps on Oct 5, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, if I had a dollar for every time I’ve been slapped with a cold trout at work…
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Oct 5, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize for my misspellings, I’m too lazy to edit my posts.
Since you have admitted that you aren’t even trying to clean them up, you should understand that you’re making it even harder for us to take you seriously. If you’re going to take the time to post a long winded fan post, editing it will make us a little bit less likely to roll our eyes.
by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 6, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you went a little overboard. If you wanted to say they really weren’t that much better than the opposition like the scores suggested, that’s reasonable. But the way you phrased it, you made it sound like they were lucky not to be embarrassed. That’s not fair, it wasn’t like they were dominated in shots or chances, and these teams are supposed to be good, so let’s give credit where credit is due.
I agree with you as far as Brodeur goes, he played very poorly.
The shorty, they happen. Unfortunately, not every year can be like last regarding them. As long as they don’t become a theme it’s not the end of the world.
The upcoming games will be interesting tests, but these games weren’t exactly against the dregs of the nhl.
The knuble thing I wouldn’t be concerned about. I think Pronger can be trusted to turn in a good effort. He’s really taken control of the crease thus far and we’re doing a really good job of keeping teams away from the net.
As far as Langenbrunner’s goal goes, it was a good shot. I realize emery could have taken a better angle on him, but you gotta give credit to the shooter sometimes, it was right inside the post.
by NickC3 on Oct 5, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I take offense ...
The suggestion that such puerile ravings would be condoned on the Pensburg site is demeaning. Intelligent and dedicated fans on EVERY site would be lambasting this kook. While the points about Brodeur are interesting, they are only barely so since everyone has a bad night sometimes. The upcoming games against Ovie and Sid … that is just repeating the hype from the league. Knuble scoring three against Pronger; well, a nice little factoid, but certainly not cause to build an ark or something. And to think that Emery would react poorly because he allowed a goal – is that for real? No goalie likes to be scored upon, but there’s also no goalie that truly thinks they can maintain a shutout streak to rival Boucher’s record-setting one either. Get real, get a spellchecker, or get lost.
by penguinsfan on Oct 5, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Pensblog, not Pensburgh (those guys are great and it’s a very high quality site). Big big difference. In any case, it wasn’t a serious remark.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 5, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, Ben – and thanks for the correction/clarification.
by penguinsfan on Oct 8, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's mario?
I would love to hear his reaction on this post!!!!
by Billsfly48 on Oct 5, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t read his bullshit unless there’s a bunch of replies, then I skip to the comments.
I tried to nip this in the bud two months ago and you encouraged him to continue:
I enjoy them, As Ben put it, it is August and we are talking hockey, I think it is fantastic.
by Billsfly48 on Aug 14, 2009
As did Ben
They’re totally acceptable (as is your Hextall shout out in your username).
Keep up the good work.
by Ben Rothenberg on Aug 14, 2009
Good work guys.
by MarioD on Oct 6, 2009 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche good sir touche (I don’t know how to get the thing above the e)
I guess I should have seen the writing on the wall, you got a pretty damn good memory though
by Billsfly48 on Oct 6, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand that you are just trolling, but whatever I’m gonna feed it a little, I just can’t help myself…
I’m glad that many other people mentioned the confidence thing, because that’s pretty laughable. Emery may have had his off-ice problems over the years, but being a Vincente Padilla-level headcase was never one of his on-ice problems.
And as for the league giving the Flyers every advantage, I’ll believe it when I see it. I can see where you’re coming from, that the league would want two powerhouses dueling in the Winter Classic, but if you think that the NHL has ever been generous to the Flyers, you just haven’t watched many Flyers games in the last decade or so. A solid, league-leading -76 penalty kills to power plays margin last season on countless numbers of weak calls against us, and “missed” calls against out opponents is basically what I’ve come to expect year-in, year-out from the NHL referees. What is it, already a -5 in two games so far this season? Typical.
by eeeeee on Oct 6, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*power plays to penalty kills margin.
*our, not out.
(i’m also apparently too lazy to proofread my rambling posts. sorry.)
by eeeeee on Oct 6, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome to 3-0
heres to more douchy posts and flyer wins!
by fitzy first on Oct 7, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Technically...
The Flyers caught a lucky break in the first period when a Carolina goal was waived off because the referee called a handpass by former Flyer, Andrew Alberts. If you looked at the replay, the handpass went off of Scott Hartnell, before a Hurricane player touched it. The referee made a mistake in the Orange and Black’s favor, for had that goal counted it would have given the Hurricanes all the momentum and Emery would’ve lossed his confidence.
The play made by Alberts was a hand-pass and should have been called by the official as such. The rule in the NHL rule book is as follows:
79.1 Hand Pass - A player shall be permitted to stop or "bat" a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the Referee, he has directed the puck to a teammate.
It does not matter that the puck was touched by Hartnell or not, the fact is that Alberts directed the puck to a teammate and this was not in the defensive zone, therefore it is a handpass and the goal should be waved off. For a handpass to be waved off, Hartnell would have had to play the puck, not just let it glance off of him.
Good call by the referee.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on Oct 7, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you are correct… puck needs to be played by the other team to negate a hand pass, the puck striking the body does not constitute possession (like the rules) in the refs opinion…
during a delayed penalty, if the puck strikes the opposing team player or bounces off the goaltender, that does not constitute possession as well…
by fitzy first on Oct 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are some ambiguities in the rules, but the Hand Pass rule is very explicit. In order for the play to not be a hand pass, the opposing team must posess or play the puck. A deflection isn’t sufficient, same as when play is stopped for a delayed penalty.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on Oct 8, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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