Sleepwalking Flyers pull a Phils, lose 5-4
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In a game that seemingly didn't go well from the start, the Philadelphia Flyers dropped a 5-4 decision to the Pittsburgh Penguins. Just 48 seconds in and already on the penalty kill, Evgeni Malkin foreshadowed a huge night by putting the puck through a screen and past Ray Emery. It was his only goal of the night, but it would be far from his only impact on the night.
Malkin ran all over the Flyers, making the defense look porous with only futile attempts made to stop him. It was just part of a second consecutive game where the Flyers blueliners looked absolutely inept, and tonight it all centered around Braydon Coburn. He had an unlucky game, yes, but that's what happens when you make terrible decisions with the puck.
The one we're all going to remember came midway through the second period while he was in his own corner. He attempted to clear the puck and, while it may or may not have bounced off of Ruslan Fedotenko, it wound up hitting Emery in the back of the leg and went into the back of the net.
Up until that point, the Flyers were only down one but still lucky to be in the game. Danny Briere had kept things interesting with two goals, but the Penguins were running the show. Each time the Flyers brought things close, they would sit back on the following shift. It led to a Bill Guerin goal in the first period, reestablishing a Pittsburgh lead, and Sidney Crosby almost did it in the second.
Other than that and a minor hooking penalty, Crosby was held in check effectively by Chris Pronger and Matt Carle. Unfortunately, Malkin more than stepped up to the task, and it was too much for the Flyers. Jeff Carter trimmed the Pens lead to one goal late in the second and led by Mike Richards they would come out flying in the third. Marc-Andre Fleury looked great as usual, though, and on a quick jaunt in the other direction, Tyler Kennedy put one by Emery to take back a multi-goal edge.
It killed the Flyers energy. The crowd was done and the players matched that intensity. It wasn't until late in the third with Emery pulled that the orange and black showed life. Carter put one top shelf, giving the Flyers life, but following the ensuing faceoff, the bounces wouldn't go the right way and the Flyers would fall 5-4.
More thoughts after the jump, including the Comment Of The Night and Questions With Answers.
A few more thoughts...
- The turnovers were atrocious. Again. On defense and on offense, the team just couldn't wait to give Pittsburgh free run at the puck. This department is a major concern going forward.
- Emery didn't look horrible and I'm not sure any of the goals were really his fault. Another terrible defensive performance from the Flyers tonight.
- Malkin needs to have a body put on him. He's given free reign of the Flyers offensive zone and it's unacceptable. When they played him physical, he was clearly frustrated, and that's evidenced by his four minor penalties tonight. They need to do a better job of getting Malkin off his game.
- The team seemed disinterested for a lot of the hockey game. Sure, they weren't getting the bounces and that can be deflating, but the effort wasn't there and the Pens rightfully took it to them. That's gotta stop.
- Scott Hartnell allegedly bit Kris Letang in a last-second scrum. Considering those allegations come from Letang and the Pittsburgh broadcast team, I'd take them with a grain of salt until something else comes out. If Hartnell really did bite Letang, the league will come down on him. In the meantime, the rhetoric out of Pittsburgh is ludicrous -- all with no proof. All the talk is how "Philadelphia is classless" while they can't even win without whining about us. Give me a break and see you in December.
- Even with all their mistakes, the Flyers were a bounce away from at least sending this game to overtime. That's if you're a glass half full kinda person.
Questions With Answers
- Which defense pairing sees time against the Crosby line? Effective? Repeat question replacing Crosby with Malkin. Pronger and Carle were effective in their time against Crosby, but Coburn and Timonen weren't effective versus Malkin. Partly to blame is Coburn's bad night, while some of it was just Malkin's dominance.
- How does Ole-Kristian Tollefsen look in his Flyer debut? Didn't hear his name much tonight, but he was a minus-1 in 10 minutes. Not a terrible debut, but nothing brilliant.
- Does Aaron Asham send a message to John Stevens and earn his job back on a regular basis? Same goes for Riley Cote. Asham showed some offensive touch and some ferocity, while Cote sat the bench for about 58 minutes.
- Offensive dynamo Matt Carle leads the Flyers with six points. An encore, perhaps? An assist on Carter's final goal. Too little, too late.
- Can Ray Emery outplay Marc-Andre Fleury? No.
Comment Of The Night: First time doing this, going to be a regular thing. This one sums up the day in Philly sports quite well.
I’ve already had two glasses of wine. It’s not helping.
>> doubleh
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Woo hoo!
I win! Something, anyway. BTW, I’m on my third now and feeling muuuuuch better.
by doubleh on Oct 8, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least someone in Philly won today. :)
by Kanayd on Oct 9, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the injury monster didn’t reel its ugly head. That scrum at the end where Richards plowed into Fleury made me nervous. We’ll get ’em next time.
by NoalB on Oct 9, 2009 7:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was watching the game with a pens fan on the pittsburgh broadcast
Emery’s lateral movement is complete crap
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 9, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The worst part about the Center Ice Package is
I have to listen to the Pens broadcast. They are the absolute worst. Southern teams (atl, Nash, TB) with crap-ass teams and no fan base have more knowledgeable broadcasters. They saw Letang look at his hand and were immediately calling for lab results. It made me sick to my stomach to sit thru that broadcast. At least I DVR it and can FF thru period breaks.
Hey dishrag, you think a guy that was throwing his fist at someone’s mouth may have cut it on a helmet actually hit a tooth with it?
By the way, the comment about getting a rabies shot should be saved for Gino that ugly mutt of yours.
Mophead? Thats the best nickname you can come up with? That makes “Fartsmell” sound genius.
In closing, Pittsburgh sucks. You beat us by one and we scored on ourselves.
Oh and don’t bother us on Saturday night, we’ll be watching Playoff Baseball, remember that?
by boknows71 on Oct 9, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the Pens broadcasting sucks…and I’m a Pens fan.
However, when you watch the feed of another team, you have to be ready for homer-calls.
I suggest muting the TV and listening to the Flyers radio station in the background. I do that when the Pens play the Caps (I live in Northern VA). I cannot stand Beninati or, especially, Laughlin, so I always make sure to tune into Mike Lange on the Pens radio station.
Also, biting someone is pretty messed up. You have to expect the home-team broadcasters to get fired up.
by Link_Gaetz on Oct 9, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They speculated before they knew what happened.
We STILL don’t know what happened.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If you watch what Hartnell said to the media this morning, he didn’t really deny that he bit him as much as he said he didn’t know what happened and he’s not “that kind of player.” Honestly, I’m not sure there’s any other explanation other than he bit him. I don’t think Letang is lying, but I also don’t think Hartnell consciously/meant to bite him.
Hartnell does have a past history with biting, and Colin Campbell just loves the Flyers … my magic 8-ball says he’s out for a few games.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 9, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, just as I say that, it turns out that he’s not getting fined or suspended.
by Ben Feldman on Oct 9, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I think he bit him. I totally agree with you.
But if you watch the tape, the Pens commentators were speculating that Hartnell did something dirty (while calling him mop head, I might add) before there was any proof whatsoever. It’s just ludicrous.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m with you man. i pay for center ice through directv and live in north western jersey. i’m in the new york service area (despite being 1 hour from both philly and NYC) and therefor get the NY teams, Rangers, Isles, Devils. I’m blacked out of philly national broadcasts.
if i were a .25 miles east, I’d be in PA and serviced out of philly.
by beatniche on Oct 9, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s weird that you’re in the NY service area, yet are blacked out from a separate market. You asked them about that?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard this is a common phenomenon in central NJ, as well. Like near the Princeton/Hightstown/Freehold area. It’s in the NY market, but it’s still so close to Philly that Center Ice or ESPN or whoever is doing the blackout thinks that it’s in the Philly market. Lots of gray area.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 10, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Travis replied is basically the issue. The blackout area is, according to Directv, dictated by the NHL. I’ve written to each regarding it. Its disappointing that I can’t see a home broadcast and miss roughly 5 regular season games a year despite paying $160 for Center Ice.
by beatniche on Oct 10, 2009 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coburn cost us that one
Negatives
Coburn looked really bad again getting beat by Staal on one rush, netting an own goal, and turning the puck over again leading to the 5th goal, it would be nice to see Emery bail them out but when they are turning the puck over the the Guerins, Malkins, Ovechkins, Staals of the world it is hard to fault him. More that a few times I noticed that nobody was covering the front of the net with two defenders on the same side, poor communication on the blueline not a good thing. I think we were trying to get too fancy with the outlet passes when trying to come from behind and pressing a little, need to keep it simple and be patient with the puck. Like last year without Betts the 4th line didn’t get much ice time, Cote is a complete waste of a dressed player and he is a mediocre fighter at best rather see a call up in place there so the coach can use the line more. The ice surface looked awful especially on our end of the 1st period PP should have had a buried a few open net shots if the puck would have just settled down. I would consider moving Parent up with Kimmo and pairing Coburn down with OKT it will help sure up the 3rd pairing and I just like Kimmo with Parent like last year. Parent just worries about solid D and let Kimmo handle the playmaking. We have to come out better after scoring a goal and stop letting in those big deflating goals on the next shift. Too early to get all upset but a loss to the Pens does that to me for some reason.
Positives
Attitude at the end of the game was much better we certainly didn’t roll over and die and played hard and aggressive for a complete 60 minutes something that I can’t say happened too often last year. Giroux is looking better but without a scoring threat on the wing he is going to get little time and space to do his thing. Finally Crosby doesn’t get a point good work by Pronger and Carle. Discipline I don’t know if the message got through but for the second straight game our opponent was the more penalized team, no bad penalties by the usual suspects Hartnell and Carcillo. I think the more aggressive 5 on 5 forecheck is the reason why we are taking less penalties no longer chasing the puck all game in our own zone instead we are forcing the play causing lots of turnovers both in the neutral zone and at the offensive blueline. Danny had a very strong game and the Carter line is getting better. I also think we controlled the game at 5 on 5 leading keeping the Pens pinned in the on zone and not giving up much except when we turned the puck over or messed up a line change. PK had a clutch 5 on 3 and the PP with Pronger getting a lot of attention on the point looked really good again. Winning 3 out of 4 against with this opening schedule is solid, I would imagine JVR would be given off again on Saturday with a 6 day break before our the following game against BOS.
by chrislanci on Oct 9, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sloppy from start to finish
pucks hopping over sticks, passes missing players, over skating the puck, no communication on defense.
it’s a shame because even with the sloppy play AND the coburn goal, we still were in this game.
by PoorSports on Oct 9, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m really questioning if this team will ever be able to play 60 full on minutes of hockey with John Stevens at the helm. I love this team, looking at that roster I’m confident, why is it when they take the ice, I’m not anymore? Inefficient, undisciplined, inconsistent. Not just this season thus far, last season, all last season. These aren’t a young group of kids exceeding expectations, these are established players, some veterans, making foolish mistakes and the worst possible times. These aren’t words that pop into my head after losses, these are thoughts that are in the back of my mind after the finish of every period. What group of guys will take the ice in the 2nd?
I don’t propose I know how to fix it, and its certainly possible I simply have the problem all wrong. However, I don’t see John Stevens as anything but underachieving. I don’t see Mike Richards commanding leadership. I see an incredibly packed roster playing hard when they feel like it. These guys need to turn a corner and establish an less schizophrenic group, or we’re in for another long season of watching them blow leads, take bonehead penalties, and further cementing their only consistency, turning the puck over.
by beatniche on Oct 9, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know Emery’s been a little shaky lately, but remember he hasn’t been in the NHL for a year. Sure he played against the Capitals and the Penguins before, but he hasn’t played against todays Penguins and Capitals before, who are way better they they were a couple of years ago. I think that now that he knows what its like, he’ll be better then next time they come into town.
Also, this defense is supposed to be one of the best in the league. I think its time they start acting like it.
by Parduno on Oct 9, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man...
a. feels good to be back on…b. didn’t like our performance at all, our offense continues to show promise and produces but the def. looks lousy still, emery has been less then sensational as well in the last two games.
This is just the beginning, emery still has plenty of time to show he can handle this…and the def. has time to gel and be more responsible with the puck. (Coburn)
Still seems that the Flyers can outplay the Pens but always end up losing by shooting themselves in the foot. Even after being ousted in last years Playoffs by the Pens, I am still convinced we have all the tools and ability to beat them like we have always beat them in the past.
I was also thinking, maybe I’m crazy but…..maybe Stevens isn’t the right coach for us? Thoughts?
Nash for 8 More, Baby!
by PhillyPhan85 on Oct 9, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re not crazy. I’ve started thinking about the same thing after the loss last night. If your team adds someone like Pronger and is still having the same defensive issues, there may be something else at fault — and this isn’t the preseason anymore, where only a portion of the lineup is in, etc.
If (big big if) there’s a coaching change… might Homer bring back his former coach? Would Iron Mike fit back in here?
by Ben Feldman on Oct 9, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s still too early to speculate about this sort of thing. No team has everything running on all cylinders this early in the season, and do remember how good the team looked in the first two games. If it continues, though, I’d be surprised if Stevens sticks.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 9, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is still the beginning stage of Stevens’ whispers. But they’re certainly starting.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 10, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d have to think that if the Flyers have a bad/unexpected season (or first round exit like last year), Stevens is the first to go. Snider isn’t the most patient of men.
by doubleh on Oct 10, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rightfully so, with the amount of money he pours into this team . . . I definitely have a lot of trust in Ed!
by flyrsfrk05 on Oct 10, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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