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Game 15, Preview and Open Thread: Back In The Saddle, Ottawa Senators at Philadelphia Flyers

Ottawa Senators at Philadelphia Flyers, Nov 12, 2009 7:00 PM EST


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Ottawa Senators (8-5-2, 18 pts) at Philadelphia Flyers (9-4-1, 19 pts)
Wachovia Center - 7:00 PM EST - Philadelphia, PA
TV: CSN HD, TSN HD
Radio: 610 WIP, XM 206
This is the open game thread.
Behind Enemy Lines: Silver Seven
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After yet another long stretch of off days, the Flyers will look to win their fifth straight at home tonight. Standing in their way is the former team of goaltender Ray Emery, the Ottawa Senators.

Danny Briere and James van Riemsdyk are set to play this evening, meaning David Laliberte and his three points in four NHL games will take a seat. JVR isn't 100 percent, so Laliberte won't be sent back to the Phantoms just yet, but barring a last minute change, he won't play tonight.

On defense, Ole-Kristian Tollefsen is still out with a mild concussion, so Oskars Bartulis will likely play with Danny Syvret. It will be Bartulis' NHL debut. With that, you can expect the top four defensemen to put in a lot more ice time this evening.

Pascal Leclaire will start opposite of Emery in the Ottawa goal. The Senators have a goals for-goals against differential of just plus-1, scoring 46 total on the year while allowing 45. They take more penalties per game, on average, then any other team in the league. It was a contentious point of the weekend, as they lost to the Devils on Saturday night while New Jersey scored all three of their goals on the man-advantage. If they are equally as undisciplined tonight, the potent Philadelphia power play should be able to take advantage. That could be the key to the game tonight.

After the jump, we ask a few questions to answer tonight.

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Questions To Answer

  1. How much ice time do the Flyers top four defenseman see tonight? Does Pronger top 30 minutes?
  2. How will Emery perform against his old club, an organization that had a rocky relationship with?
  3. Can the Senators keep their penalties under control? If not, can the Flyers capitalize?
  4. How many pretzels are sold on Dollar Pretzel Night?

Tonight's game will be broadcast on CSN locally and TSN across Canada. You can listen at 610 WIP, and as always, join us here for the conversation. LET'S GO FLYERS!

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On defense, Ole-Kristian Tollefsen is still out with a mild concussion, so Oskars Bartulis will likely play with Danny Syvret. It will be Bartulis’ NHL debut. With that, you can expect the top four defensemen to put in a lot more ice time this evening.

That probably has just as much to do with Syvret than Bartulis.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

“How much ice time do the Flyers top four defenseman see tonight? Does Pronger top 30 minutes? "

Well, we were off for 5 days, so…

And dollar pretzel night? Is that just a cheap Knockoff of Dollar Dog night?

by philiafan14364 on Nov 12, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

If anyone wants to tell me why I capitalized the ‘k’ in knockoff, Im all ears!

by philiafan14364 on Nov 12, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Carbomb-Betts-Lappy are the starters along with Pronger and Carle.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

Listenin 2 Bryan Murray is pretty damn funny

Him and his massive lisp

Space Weed Says The Steve Ott of Hockey Blogs
"DO NOT get stuck behind Kyle Wellwood in the buffet line. This isn't really etiquette, but it will prevent you from starving to death"- Down Goes Brown on Etiquette for Jason Spezza's wedding

by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 12, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

Doesn't work for me

I’ve got TSN in Canada, and i’ve gotta listen to Pierre Mcguire’s drivel

Space Weed Says The Steve Ott of Hockey Blogs
"DO NOT get stuck behind Kyle Wellwood in the buffet line. This isn't really etiquette, but it will prevent you from starving to death"- Down Goes Brown on Etiquette for Jason Spezza's wedding

by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 12, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the link man. But i’ve gotten a preference for TV tho, despite my hatred for Mcguire

Space Weed Says The Steve Ott of Hockey Blogs
"DO NOT get stuck behind Kyle Wellwood in the buffet line. This isn't really etiquette, but it will prevent you from starving to death"- Down Goes Brown on Etiquette for Jason Spezza's wedding

by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 12, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

was looking for a good stream

by sneech on Nov 12, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone know what the lines are?

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

carcillo lappy betts
Richie Claude Harts
Reemer Briere Carts
and then the last three

by orangeandblack20 on Nov 12, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

The lower level looks unusually empty.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the links guys this is great.

by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Nov 12, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

right thru the crease!

by chillicothe20 on Nov 12, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

geez it’s been so long since we’ve had an open thread, i felt like it must still be summer or something- turns out we’re actually 15 games into the season, and already with three 5 or more day breaks between games. love it.

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

thinking the same thing

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

ha ha, all we had to do was take five days off, and the few power plays in the league that were ahead of us in PP% fell down, while we held steady. nothin like coasting into first place…

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

that was a close one from cheech

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

not so for alfie

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

that replay was scary

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

we’ve had more than our fair share of metal so far this season, we’ll definitely take a little in the defensive zone…

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

does it seem like we’re playing defense a little to long

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

yeah the time on attack must be ridiculously lopsided already

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

whiffffffffffffff

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

Announcer just said weve only given up 5 1st period goals…WOW.

by chillicothe20 on Nov 12, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

and we’ve scored first in 13 of 15, right?

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Lappy looking to unload early!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

not sure that was a good idea…the whole two on one fight

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

That was an incredibly uneventful first period.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

You gotta appreciate good defensive hockey. Bartullis looked good

by orangeandblack20 on Nov 12, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

Speaking of boring…back to some homework :(

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

2nd Period intermission

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

that would be TMI, but one man’s TMI is another man’s NEI.

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone else

hear that the Flyers will phase out the road whites for the Winter Classic whites next season?

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, that switch has been confirmed by the Flyers.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

had a friend mention it to me, wasn’t sure.

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This game needs some spice…Enter DC13!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

on the bright side Carkner doing what he does and gets me some PIM for the fantasy league

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That fight was about as exciting as JJ with a cold.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

Damn he started ok then got beat a little

by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Nov 12, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

New Jersey 0
Pittsburgh 1
5:02 1st

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

Everytime Tim Saunders says “Leclaire” I think of big number 10!
I loved Johnny!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

JVR

so close…

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

Great stop by Leclaire.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

ALL BETTS ARE OFF

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

ric flair ’Woooo"

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Kinda weak goal. Awesome to see Blair get it though.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

they keep saying that is Leclaire’s problem

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats not making sportscentre but Im happy we got it!

by Prometheus74 on Nov 12, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Did Comcast really just put a 2012 ad in there mid-broadcast? Come on…

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Atlanta 2
NY Rangers 1
15:15 2nd

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

what the hell..really that easy. You guys just give one up like that

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Dang it, they did that way too easily

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 12, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Didn’t realize Betts had that profound of an effect on the PK…

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

well that was some nice defense. i mean, there were two flyers on the opposite side of the net, observing fisher nicely. i hope they took good notes.

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

JVR didn’t miss that one.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

ahhh nothing like an empty netter

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

jvr with some revenge for stopping him the first time

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Beautiful assists by Kimmo and Carter

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

I need to stop watching these games in the tech center. They dont like when I yell F*** when we give up a goal or when i run around when we score.

I WANT SOME MOOOOOORE

by orangeandblack20 on Nov 12, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

wooooow, what a return pass by (was that JVR?) too bad richards couldn’t handle it quick enough- leclaire never saw it coming

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Atlanta 2
NY Rangers 2
4:32 2nd

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

Gaborik scores on the PP

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

also, rangers tied it up

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

Z

64% faceoffs so far. Richie 5-2, Carts 6-2, Betts 5-3

by orangeandblack20 on Nov 12, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for appearing on my TV, Pierre McGuire. Bye-bye now.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

atlanta scored two goals in 25 seconds?! sweet!

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

Nice to have you back, Briere

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 12, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

DANNNYYY! 3-1 Flyguys!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

Danny Boy the pipes are calling

by Prometheus74 on Nov 12, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

It’s funny. I was just thinking how unimpressed I’d been with Briere tonight.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

might be unimpressed with him now but i think altogether briere is putting together a pretty good season for himself, which he needs to.

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s going to take him a few shifts to get back up to speed, no pun intended.

by doubleh on Nov 12, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

are you doing one of those things where you add “no pun intended” to the end of a sentence with no pun in it, so that you really make someone feel stupid trying to analyze and find the pun? or am i just that dumb that i’m missing the pun?

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably a little bit of both—but speed is supposed to be the biggest component of Briere’s game. Lay off of me, Ive been subjected to Nick Jr. all day and my brain is fried. LOL

by doubleh on Nov 12, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

hehehehe fair enough. i’ll take it easy on you. i just thought you might be an avid xkcd reader, and i was excited to see a potential math/science/computer geek on a hockey blog.

ps- for the uninitiated: http://xkcd.com/559/

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I do like computers, but only because that’s my job.

by doubleh on Nov 12, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

good to see he didn’t miss a beat.

by orangeandblack20 on Nov 12, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

theres that kimmo-carter one-two punch for assists

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

yes this is nice to see, though, admittedly, kimmo had basically nothing to do with the goal, just made a routine zone-clearing pass, and carter and danny made the goal happen

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

They can’t both lose, can they?

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I just dont want it to go to OT

by Prometheus74 on Nov 12, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Just no OT, please. And keep Crosby scoreless. That would be nice.

by doubleh on Nov 12, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

crosby scored the goal, too bad he didn’t score an elbow

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No, no

Fedotenko scored their goal. Crosbitch had an assist.

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So he has a point, but not a goal. It’s the little things in life that please me.

by doubleh on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

HEY thats a SLEWWFACE

by Prometheus74 on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The Devils have the same number of points as the Penguins with 2 less games played and a hot streak, I can’t bring myself to root for the Penguins, but it would be nice to see the Devils momentum get broken up.

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 12, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Jersey is 8-0 on the road!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions  

Powe

earned that goal

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

again, nothing like an empty netter! whoooooo

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

I am really glad to see the Flyers pour it on and not sit back!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

DANNNNY BOOOOOOOOY

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

(for a case of tasty cakes)

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

powe really skated well and to a good area, and to his credit put the shot in the net, but man asham really made that happen. skated it into the zone strong and threw a perfect pass right onto powe’s stick. excellent shift from the fourth line. also, DANNY! YES!

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

briere

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

I think Danny’s shaking off the rust

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

Numero Dos! DDANNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

HOOLLEER!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

Danny asks, “How do you like me now?”

by doubleh on Nov 12, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Richard’s line needs one!

by Prometheus74 on Nov 12, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, I’d love to see Giroux get one and start racking up regulation goals instead of just shootout ones

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 12, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

we need our role-players tho ….some don’t get the glamor of regulation i guess.

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to see Pyorala get one too.

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think once we start playing games every other day the boys will put them in

by Prometheus74 on Nov 12, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, this schedule has been horrible. Pronger was complaining about it on DNL tonight.

by doubleh on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Atlanta 4
NY Rangers 3
9:48 3rd

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

i like this emery we have seen in the last 5 games (well last 4 including this 1 too)

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

How about Boston and Florida are tied at 0 at the end of 3. I’d love to have both of those goalies in Fantasy tonight.

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

i have one of them. the one that a shutout two days ago! =D

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I have Thomas but didn’t play him tonight :(

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

sad panda. i hope you at least started him against Pitt

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea that’s why I sat him. My GAA this week .is .5 because Tim got a shutout and my other goalie Broduer won 1-0!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I also have Pascal Leclaire in a league and didn’t start him tonight, thank goodness!

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

weird. i also have brodeur and thomas in one league, with mike smith on the bench for emergencies only

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

GULP, will thomas get the win, with the shutout already locked up?!

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but he gets a shutout, right? because shootout goals don’t count

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yes sir. also, damnit. now i’m definitely gonna lose wins for the week cause i gotta bench my goalies from here on in with GAA and SV% like that….

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

yea but you’ll win every other goalie category.

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah you’re right, but it’s just not humiliating for your opponent if you don’t sweep, you know? =p

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Malicious...

usually I am the one getting humiliated though :(

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d love to have a goalie in fantasy. I have Ward, Auld and Giguere. Not good times for my team.

by Ben Feldman on Nov 12, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i have roloson and elliot w/ dipietro in the wings

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

adds up to like 1 game a week

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ouch. tonight i have luongo, brodeur and thomas going across two leagues. slightly better times in my camp.

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

stick a fork in it....

should be all but over….good win fellas.

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

Whats our goal for/agent during this win streak

by Prometheus74 on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

Five to one baby! No one here get out a live (ask the senators)

by phish'n on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

like 23/8 ??? something like that, pretty much 3 to 1

Nash for 8 More, Baby!

by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 12, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

So if the Rangers lose in regulation we’ll tie them in points with 4 less games played, right?

by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 12, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

New Jersey 3
Pittsburgh 1
15:00 3rd

Goal by Zach Parise from Travis Zajac & Nicklas Bergfors

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

what’s a berg for? =p

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

IDK

but he is having a good game=1 goal, 2 assists and is +1 with 4 shot

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sweet

The Devils radio has a woman as one of the play-by-play commentators. Never heard that before.

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

steve downie had a goal?! sweet mustache!

by eeeeee on Nov 12, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Punchless Penguins

can’t get by the Red Hot Devils ;)
New Jersey 4
Pittsburgh 1
Final

Here’s my question: Why can’t we play the Pens when they are injured and sucking a big one? Knowing our luck, the next time we play them is when they are firing on all cylinders.

by Mitchell Green on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

So be it.
We will play the worst tasting poultry twice in Early December.
Lets beat them when they have everyone.
God forbid we have to hear all the little happyfeet complain if we beat them while they have injuries

by Prometheus74 on Nov 12, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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