Game 12, Preview and Open Thread: World Series Pre-Game, Tampa Bay Lightning at Philadelphia Flyers
by Travis Hughes on Nov 2, 2009 4:45 PM EST
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Tampa Bay Lightning at Philadelphia Flyers, Nov 2, 2009 5:00 PM EST
In what's probably the weirdest start time in Wachovia Center history, the Flyers will host the Lightning at 5 PM on a Monday night, thanks to a slightly important baseball game across the street. Yes, most of the Philly sports world will have their minds on the Phillies, who will attempt to stave off elimination against the Yankees at Citizens Bank Park a few hours from now. But before that happens, we turn our eyes to hockey, in a game that shapes up to be a battle for playoff positioning.
Yes, of course, it's very, very early in the season, but the fact that Tampa can take away the Flyers grip on eighth place in the East with a win tonight should show you just how much work the orange and black has to do to get where they want to be. Tampa is coming off of a 2-1 win over the Devils on Saturday night, and with Martin St. Louis riding an 11-game point streak and Steven Stamkos tallying 10 goals in his last nine games, the Bolts have a formidable top line the Flyers will have to deal with.
Whenever these two teams get together in recent times, we are pressed to think about the connections each roster has with the other. Matt Carle, a former Bolt, plays for the Flyers. The Bolts are led by their head coach Rick Tocchet, of course a former Flyer. Steve Downie and Todd Fedoruk (linemates, by the way) are also members of the Lightning. Antero Niittymaki plays in Tampa, too, but he'll be riding the pine this evening. Vinny Prospal has moved on to the Rangers.
It's a rivalry that most don't put much thought into, but these two cities certainly don't like each other. Whether it's the Flyers losing in seven to the Lightning in the 2004 playoffs, the Eagles fighting with the Bucs in several NFC title games, or the Phils winning the 2008 World Series against the Rays, there never seems to be a dull moment when teams from these two cities get together.
Don't expect many changes from John Stevens. You should expect to see the same personnel as you did in Saturday's 6-1 drubbing of the Hurricanes -- yes, that means Danny Briere and Simon Gagne are still out. David Laliberte is still in the lineup and Ryan Parent is out for about another week. Thanks to Parent's absence, Braydon Coburn and Kimmo Timonen are back together.
After the jump, a few questions to answer tonight.
Questions To Answer
- The defensive pairings are back to normal. How do Coburn/Timonen loo together again for an entire game? Same goes for Tollefsen/Syvret?
- How long does it take Steve Downie to drop the gloves with one of the Flyers' tough guys?
- Are there any ill-effects to the early start?
- How sparse is the crowd, thanks to the start time and the World Series?
- Can the Flyers show their superiority over the Lightning? Are the Flyers a superior team to the Lightning?
Here's to hoping the Flyers can bring a great start to what could be a great sports Monday in Philadelphia. CSN on TV locally and on the air at 610 WIP. As always, join us here for the conversation (those of us that can actually watch this one live, ugh) and LET'S GO FLYERS (and Phils)!
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That place actually doesn’t look too empty at first glance.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know this kind of start time does not suit people who are just getting out of work, but as a student its kinda nice. Plus, it gives me something to do in night class tonight!
by flyrsfrk05 on Nov 2, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s 2:00 pm for me. I’m lucky I had the day off otherwise I’d be in class.
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Gagne’s gone 6-8 weeks to have surgery on his two hernias as well as tears of both sides of his rectus abdominis muscle. Pretty much expected that, eh?
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, it could’ve been worse.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 2, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that place is pretty full for a 5PM start on the same day as a World Series game. Can you imagine how empty that place would be if the Sixers were playing now? Ouch.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If anyone is interested . . .
For all of you that are outside of the Philadelphia/Comcast market, Yahoo is televising the game . . .
by flyrsfrk05 on Nov 2, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ovi now “week-to-week.” You knew that was coming.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy the game, guys. I’m heading to class.
I’m going to attempt to avoid the score until the 1:30 AM replay. Wish me luck.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This DirecTV feed that claims to be HD is nothing close to HD.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They’re totally controlling everything out there. As they should.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very controlling power play, as well.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 5:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Giroux has looked real good this game.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Syvret will make any defensive mistakes while being interviewed.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he does, MarioD will be all over it. LOL
by doubleh on Nov 2, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Outshooting ’em 12-5. Win a lot of games doing that.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Carcillo-Betts-Lappy line has been great this entire game.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Definitely a dive. I wish they would negate the initial call when there’s a dive just to discourage it more.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You mean negate the hook and keep the dive or negate both?
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Negate the hook and keep the dive.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. That would mean the original call goes unpunished. At least this way they go 4 on 4 so the dive stops any man advantage.
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish they would just call the dives more consistently, especially against some of those (cough) star players who live by it.
by doubleh on Nov 2, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carter!
3-0
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of a weak team we’re playing.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Knock on wood. cough Florida Panthers.
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the first game against them obviously.
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just wondering what Asham had been up to…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Emery has looked pretty good the few times he’s been challenged.
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh.
I smell another freeze frame of Syvret coming on.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t tell if it was Syvret or JVR but I knew it was one of them. Somehow, I knew, even in real time.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees suck chant is back. I concur with the sentiment, even if it isn’t entirely true.
by doubleh on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Laliberte! Already more goals than Gagne. He can stay.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And so far, does not appear to be made of glass.
by doubleh on Nov 2, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Laliberte!
4-1
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
5-1!
I wish we played at 5 every day.
by chillicothe20 on Nov 2, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Should Giroux have gotten a penalty shot on that?
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if they were going to call it. Don’t know if penalty shot calls are delayed.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, look at Powe’s from earlier this season. The reason they normally aren’t delayed is because most plays that result in penalty shots end up with the net off its moorings or some sort of pile-up that stops play anyway.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was a delayed penalty call. Did the goal negate it?
by doubleh on Nov 2, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. The D-man was able to keep him just a hair wide, so he didn’t really have an unimpeded scoring chance broken up.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was down on his knees so he must have been knocked over or tripped up or something.
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice round of applause for Niitty.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear the applause for Niitty. He more than deserves it.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Messy shift.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Laliberte is the first Flyer to score goals in his first two games since Lindros.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, the Lightning announcers are starting to get to me.
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how different this game wouldve been if they’d started Niittymaki…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 2, 2009 6:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hm.. it’s not working. I found another one though. It’s a Danish broadcast of ESPN America. They were showing chariot races during intermission.
by pintium02 on Nov 2, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I missed the fight. How did Asham do?
by flyrsfrk05 on Nov 2, 2009 6:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Got a couple of punches in and was able to sorta take his man down.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh-oh, I just get out of the worst exam of my life (and it was a take-home, open book no-less) and I missed Syvret screwing up? Oh geez.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 2, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from class, good to see we picked up where we left off from last game!
by orangeandblack20 on Nov 2, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where is MarioD? He was right, Reemer still stinks!
by orangeandblack20 on Nov 2, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carter fell awkwardly there on his left shoulder. Didn’t get up too quickly.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 7:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How did JVR not score there? Like twice?
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 7:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he just whiffed on the puck.
by doubleh on Nov 2, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Thats because he sucks and isn’t an NHL caliber player”- MarioD
by orangeandblack20 on Nov 2, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohh, thanks. That explains everything.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem. He only leads all rookies in assists and points.
by orangeandblack20 on Nov 2, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Put this one in the Win column for the Fightin’ Flyers!
by flyrsfrk05 on Nov 2, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here’s hoping we break the trend of one Philly team winning and the other losing in tandem tonight.
by doubleh on Nov 2, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this isn’t another “all the teams that aren’t the Phillies win” sorta thing.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 2, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. My husband told me that this morning on WIP they were calling for Jonesy to throw out the first pitch because he’s been on 4 teams that have blown 3-1 leads in postseason series.
by doubleh on Nov 2, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Recap is up, so take your comments over thataway.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2009/11/2/1112050/flyers-pack-in-six-again-beat
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