Game 20, Preview and Open Thread: A Trip to the Desert, Philadelphia Flyers at Phoenix Coyotes
Philadelphia Flyers at Phoenix Coyotes, Nov 21, 2009 8:00 PM EST
Philadelphia Flyers (12-5-1, 25 pts) at Phoenix Coyotes (12-9-1, 25 pts)
Jobing.com Arena - 8:00 PM ET - Phoenix, AZ
TV: CSN Philly HD
Radio: 1210 WPHT, XM 205
This is the open game thread.
Behind Enemy Lines: Five For Howling
After a disappointing result last night, the Flyers look to get back to their winning ways tonight in Phoenix. Last night's loss dropped them to 7-2 in their last nine games, still rather impressive. The Coyotes meanwhile, are 3-5-1 in their last nine, fresh off an overtime loss to St. Louis on Thursday night.
In years past, any trip out to the desert would yield plenty of talk about former Flyers. Now, only two former Flyers are currently in Phoenix - James Vandermeer and Scottie Upshall. Most people are still upset about the Upshall trade, but he only has eight points in 20 games so far. He is, however, tied with Jeff Carter at seven goals on the year. Vandermeer meanwhile, is getting the seventh most ice time per game among Phoenix blueliners. Neither appear to be integral pieces of this Coyotes team, which currently sits 7th in the Western Conference.
As Five For Howling said in their preview:
And Those Guys That Got Traded...: Yeah, everyone still remembers that Scottie Upshall got traded to the Coyotes for Daniel Carcillo and a Second Round pick. Half of the things I've seen around the net are about "Danny Coming Back!" and what not. I can honestly say I don't really care. I'm not angry, It's just not important to me. Sure, he was a fan favorite when he was here, but we traded him for a player that has done really well for us this year (Tied for the team lead in goals) and for more picks. I liked the trade when it happened and still do. I get the player loyalty, but I guess I just moved on. Probably see many a Carcillo Jersey around the Arena tonight too, hopefully in the old Coyote colors and not the black and orange.
Look for Ray Emery in net again tonight (via Panaccio) against Ilya Bryzgalov. Bryzgalov is having a great year, with a GAA of 2.09 and a S% of .920. As far as Darroll Powe goes, I haven't seen anything concrete about his injury, just that he's "Questionable." If you watch The League, no one knows what that means. If you found something that I didn't, please post it in the comments. Obviously, if he can't go, Riley Cote will be inserted into the lineup and many a shuffle will ensue.
After the jump, some Questions to Answer.
Questions to Answer:
- Five For Howling expects a good reception for Dan Carcillo tonight. Can he outplay Upshall?
- Just how many fans show up tonight? How many are wearing orange?
- How does the team rebound after giving up the most goals against all year?
- The Coyotes not only don't score a lot of goals (2.46 gpg), they also don't give up a lot (2.46 gapg). Is the Flyers' offense better than the Coyotes' defense?
Apparently, even Coyotes fans hate Chris Pronger. This might be the most interesting thing in these west coast games. Join us for the game thread, and LET'S GO FLYERS!
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Forgive the unusual size of the Coyotes logo at the top: I don’t quite get even the most basic of photoshop functions.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like starting Emery tonight, given how things ended last night. Figure if the Flyers won, or didn’t lose in the way that they did, Boosh would be starting.
And if Cote is in, there better not be a Cote-Giroux-Laliberte line. That would be indescribably terrible.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
place your bets
Over or Under on Cotes TOI (assuming he is playing) = 2:35
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Powe is reportedly a game-time decision.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As soon as the flyers wives carnival is over we can ship him out!
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand the Emery start at all. Boosh loves Phoenix, it shoulda been right in his wheelhouse.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m with you on that one. Maybe he plays against the Isle?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Flyers feed on DirecTV! Yessssssssssssssss.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 8:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What game were Jones and Jackson watching? Last night was really not all that close.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
despite the end any time there is a one goal game in the 3rd under 10 minutes to go you can call it close…… maybe
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed with the whole Cote thing his presence on this team in pointless and under 2:35 pays
I thought the team played good in the 3rd but with that bad call they pretty much turned it off, shit happens I was confident in that we would get a least a point out of the game the way we were playing in the 1st 10 minutes of the 3rd period but I was wrong.
A win in Colorado is now a must to redeem this trip.
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell just happened there? Holy jumpin’.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
why they change camera angles is beyond me
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carcillo playing up with Powe out ??? Looks that way so far
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really not as many Flyers fans in the stands as I had expected.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you will get a true measure when we score a goal
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Real nice positioning there from Emery, that shoulda been a goal by Mueller.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
These shots by the Flyers are wayyy off the mark here. They’ve gotta be tired.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bad call there I would be happy about that one
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carter is off so far turnovers and missed passes
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looked like wrist on a slash when he jumped, hope it is not broken
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm. Bettts holding his wrist towards the bench
wonderful
by sneech on Nov 21, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Blair Betts leaves the ice gingerly, some sort of arm thing.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Watched it again...
Looks like he just tried to swing at the flying puck. Hope his shoulder didnt pop out
by sneech on Nov 21, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looked like wrist on a slash when he jumped, hope it is not broken
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by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no slash
no Betts might push Cote over 2 minutes tonight
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I head of about 6 guys on this Phoenix team
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is Betts the first victim of the Coatesy Curse?
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 8:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
JVR did a interview with him earlier and missed the next game with the Flu, I think but I am not sure
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coatsey did shake the same arm he injured …….
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
how many different jerseys do the Coyotes have in that candid there was 3 different logos not including the jersey they are wearing tonight
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clang…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carcillo with a nice steal on Upshall.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
With both Betts and Powe out, the Flyers are in desperate need of a call up monosyllabic forward from the Phantoms.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Ward, maybe?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Jared Ross.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NJD 1
DAL 3
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Betts has an “upper body injury.” Thanks, Homer.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ben is trying too hard to get the quote of the night
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I already have my fair share I think.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another bad bounce for Coburn that makes about a dozen this season.
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Flyers really don’t have a lot of spark out there. Not shocking at all with the back-to-back and travel.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A split in these two back to back games would be really nice..
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap, prettiest goal of the year for the Flyers right there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
finally someone connected with Hartnell on the fly pattern and he buried it
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hartnell is killing it out there right now.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If this is a joke (which I assume it is), it’s perfect.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heh, that’s pretty awesome.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hartnell does score in bunches…. look out
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jobing.com has to be the most insignificant company with an arena named after it.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Emery didn’t look like he had any idea whatsoever what was going on there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looked like Upshall was trying to hug Richards into the boards.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Upshall just wants to give his old buddy Mike Richards a hug, and he gets a penalty for it. Whats wrong with the world today?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That Pronger shot right there is why they installed netting in the arenas.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We actually start skating harder the second the pp is over!
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know Berube wants out PP unit to be lose but its a fiune balance and recently they have been too aloof
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FLA 3
NYR 2
2:06 3rd
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nice pass by Mika there good vision like most Swedes
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Flyers are giving up a crazy number of shorthanded chances lately.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too much east west not enough north south to the net.
by chrislanci on Nov 21, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Once again, OT would be fine with me.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Against the Yotes, I wanna win this shit. Save OT for Dallas.
by JpH89 on Nov 21, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i Mean the Avalanche, got confused cause i just bought tix for the Dallas game.
by JpH89 on Nov 21, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be fine with winning in OT. That’s what I meant this time. I just don’t want to be out of this game pointless.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And we lose two p-layers in the process, yay.
by JpH89 on Nov 21, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Panotch reporting that Betts’ shoulder indeed popped out as he was waving at that puck.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 9:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yowch. That didn’t look like anything at all.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why cant Carter score these goals like he did last year?
by JpH89 on Nov 21, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, sadly.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im at the point were Carcillo’s rat stash is affecting my watching experience.
by JpH89 on Nov 21, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was noticing earlier that it’s particularly sleazy tonight.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This game has been crazy dull.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better than watching the Cavs outscore the Sixers 22-10 in the 4th quarter to win by 6.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NYI 1
STL 4
14:44 3rd
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WSH 1
TOR 2
Final (SO)
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh no… JVR minor… we’ll be hearing about this for a while…
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BS call on JVR.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How much do you want to bet it went out of the zone?
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
…And it appears as though it did.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it did, and it results in a coyotes goal
hey bad officiating
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 21, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TV showd Carcillo him sitting on the bench screaming F*%K YOU, YOU F&*KING SUCK! six inches from the refs face who was trying hear Coach Stevens
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Flyers totally froze there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of the ’80 Finals Game 6. Isles offside (much clearer than this), Flyers froze, no call, Islanders score easily.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I thought of too.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t believe that they didn’t even look at the play.
by JpH89 on Nov 21, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not reviewable.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huge call there. Flyers looked like they on the brink of collapse.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And they did nothing with the PP.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they’re -1 for their last 8.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice offsides call right there
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 21, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but why is this line out there now?
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boo, no way that was a clear goal. The Coyote was past the net.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes, then again the refs in phoenix seem to be confusing their rules with the real rules
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 21, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so Phoenix wins there argument, but we lose, WTF!!!!!!!!! God this has to be the Shittest officiating i ever seen in a game.
by JpH89 on Nov 21, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Officiating gave them a win.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup. all praise gary bettman
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 21, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday it was the ice, today it was the refs.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cote played 5 shifts for 2:03. 2:03! Two shifts in the first, two in the second, and one 9 second shift in the third.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The worst.
Forget about the officiating. That was bad enough, but to be honest the Coyotes deserved those breaks because they actually looked like they cared.
Forget about fatigue. I understand that the Flyers had a tough game last night and had to travel. But it would have been nice if they actually showed up tonight, which they did not.
As bad as the officiating was, the Flyers lost this game justifiably. They were horrible. I cannot remember the last time I’ve seen the team this disoriented, this disinterested, and this directionless in one game. Not to sound like Michel Therrien, but to me it looked like we had about three guys out there who cared. Richards in particular cared a little too much and tried to do too much. As a result he had an awful night.
And Riley Cote needs to go. I’m sure he’s great in the locker room and all, but if he plays for 2:03 on a night when our top faceoff guy goes out AND he’s filling in for someone who plays for considerably longer than 2 minutes a night, he is of no use to this team at all. You may as well dress Tollefsen and have him play at forward.
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by mikefive on Nov 21, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very well said, +1
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Betts out at least 4 weeks with a dislocated shoulder, according to Homer. God damnit.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So the call-up has to be a center, unless Briere moves back to the pivot (which would be the worst idea ever). I can’t find AHL faceoff stats, but Matsumoto has 14 points in 16 games, and is a plus 3. Ross has 7 points in 15 games, and is a -5. Dingle and Kalinski are both plus 1, but have a combined 6 points. Bring up Matsumoto! Laperriere can take the draws if need be.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Surely.
Lappy has played center before. Powe can play there too, depending on the severity of his injury.
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by mikefive on Nov 21, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if he plays, Homer won’t even call anybody up. Just let Cote dress (not play) again.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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