Game 20, Preview and Open Thread: A Trip to the Desert, Philadelphia Flyers at Phoenix Coyotes
by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 5:17 PM EST
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Philadelphia Flyers at Phoenix Coyotes, Nov 21, 2009 8:00 PM EST
Philadelphia Flyers (12-5-1, 25 pts) at Phoenix Coyotes (12-9-1, 25 pts)
Jobing.com Arena - 8:00 PM ET - Phoenix, AZ
TV: CSN Philly HD
Radio: 1210 WPHT, XM 205
This is the open game thread.
Behind Enemy Lines: Five For Howling
After a disappointing result last night, the Flyers look to get back to their winning ways tonight in Phoenix. Last night's loss dropped them to 7-2 in their last nine games, still rather impressive. The Coyotes meanwhile, are 3-5-1 in their last nine, fresh off an overtime loss to St. Louis on Thursday night.
In years past, any trip out to the desert would yield plenty of talk about former Flyers. Now, only two former Flyers are currently in Phoenix - James Vandermeer and Scottie Upshall. Most people are still upset about the Upshall trade, but he only has eight points in 20 games so far. He is, however, tied with Jeff Carter at seven goals on the year. Vandermeer meanwhile, is getting the seventh most ice time per game among Phoenix blueliners. Neither appear to be integral pieces of this Coyotes team, which currently sits 7th in the Western Conference.
As Five For Howling said in their preview:
And Those Guys That Got Traded...: Yeah, everyone still remembers that Scottie Upshall got traded to the Coyotes for Daniel Carcillo and a Second Round pick. Half of the things I've seen around the net are about "Danny Coming Back!" and what not. I can honestly say I don't really care. I'm not angry, It's just not important to me. Sure, he was a fan favorite when he was here, but we traded him for a player that has done really well for us this year (Tied for the team lead in goals) and for more picks. I liked the trade when it happened and still do. I get the player loyalty, but I guess I just moved on. Probably see many a Carcillo Jersey around the Arena tonight too, hopefully in the old Coyote colors and not the black and orange.
Look for Ray Emery in net again tonight (via Panaccio) against Ilya Bryzgalov. Bryzgalov is having a great year, with a GAA of 2.09 and a S% of .920. As far as Darroll Powe goes, I haven't seen anything concrete about his injury, just that he's "Questionable." If you watch The League, no one knows what that means. If you found something that I didn't, please post it in the comments. Obviously, if he can't go, Riley Cote will be inserted into the lineup and many a shuffle will ensue.
After the jump, some Questions to Answer.
Questions to Answer:
- Five For Howling expects a good reception for Dan Carcillo tonight. Can he outplay Upshall?
- Just how many fans show up tonight? How many are wearing orange?
- How does the team rebound after giving up the most goals against all year?
- The Coyotes not only don't score a lot of goals (2.46 gpg), they also don't give up a lot (2.46 gapg). Is the Flyers' offense better than the Coyotes' defense?
Apparently, even Coyotes fans hate Chris Pronger. This might be the most interesting thing in these west coast games. Join us for the game thread, and LET'S GO FLYERS!
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Forgive the unusual size of the Coyotes logo at the top: I don’t quite get even the most basic of photoshop functions.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions
As soon as the flyers wives carnival is over we can ship him out!
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand the Emery start at all. Boosh loves Phoenix, it shoulda been right in his wheelhouse.
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Yeah, I’m with you on that one. Maybe he plays against the Isle?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Flyers feed on DirecTV! Yessssssssssssssss.
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What game were Jones and Jackson watching? Last night was really not all that close.
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agreed with the whole Cote thing his presence on this team in pointless and under 2:35 pays
I thought the team played good in the 3rd but with that bad call they pretty much turned it off, shit happens I was confident in that we would get a least a point out of the game the way we were playing in the 1st 10 minutes of the 3rd period but I was wrong.
A win in Colorado is now a must to redeem this trip.
Really not as many Flyers fans in the stands as I had expected.
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Real nice positioning there from Emery, that shoulda been a goal by Mueller.
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These shots by the Flyers are wayyy off the mark here. They’ve gotta be tired.
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Blair Betts leaves the ice gingerly, some sort of arm thing.
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Watched it again...
Looks like he just tried to swing at the flying puck. Hope his shoulder didnt pop out
Carcillo with a nice steal on Upshall.
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With both Betts and Powe out, the Flyers are in desperate need of a call up monosyllabic forward from the Phantoms.
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Jason Ward, maybe?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Or Jared Ross.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Flyers really don’t have a lot of spark out there. Not shocking at all with the back-to-back and travel.
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Holy crap, prettiest goal of the year for the Flyers right there.
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Hartnell is killing it out there right now.
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If this is a joke (which I assume it is), it’s perfect.
Heh, that’s pretty awesome.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Jobing.com has to be the most insignificant company with an arena named after it.
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Emery didn’t look like he had any idea whatsoever what was going on there.
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Upshall just wants to give his old buddy Mike Richards a hug, and he gets a penalty for it. Whats wrong with the world today?
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That Pronger shot right there is why they installed netting in the arenas.
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I know Berube wants out PP unit to be lose but its a fiune balance and recently they have been too aloof
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Flyers are giving up a crazy number of shorthanded chances lately.
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Once again, OT would be fine with me.
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I would be fine with winning in OT. That’s what I meant this time. I just don’t want to be out of this game pointless.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yowch. That didn’t look like anything at all.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, sadly.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was noticing earlier that it’s particularly sleazy tonight.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
This game has been crazy dull.
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Better than watching the Cavs outscore the Sixers 22-10 in the 4th quarter to win by 6.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
NYI 1
STL 4
14:44 3rd
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM EST reply actions
WSH 1
TOR 2
Final (SO)
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions
BS call on JVR.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions
it did, and it results in a coyotes goal
hey bad officiating
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 21, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
TV showd Carcillo him sitting on the bench screaming F*%K YOU, YOU F&*KING SUCK! six inches from the refs face who was trying hear Coach Stevens
by Prometheus74 on Nov 21, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, Flyers totally froze there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions
Reminds me of the ’80 Finals Game 6. Isles offside (much clearer than this), Flyers froze, no call, Islanders score easily.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 21, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I thought of too.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Not reviewable.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
And they did nothing with the PP.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Boo, no way that was a clear goal. The Coyote was past the net.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 PM EST reply actions
yes, then again the refs in phoenix seem to be confusing their rules with the real rules
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 21, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Officiating gave them a win.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions
The worst.
Forget about the officiating. That was bad enough, but to be honest the Coyotes deserved those breaks because they actually looked like they cared.
Forget about fatigue. I understand that the Flyers had a tough game last night and had to travel. But it would have been nice if they actually showed up tonight, which they did not.
As bad as the officiating was, the Flyers lost this game justifiably. They were horrible. I cannot remember the last time I’ve seen the team this disoriented, this disinterested, and this directionless in one game. Not to sound like Michel Therrien, but to me it looked like we had about three guys out there who cared. Richards in particular cared a little too much and tried to do too much. As a result he had an awful night.
And Riley Cote needs to go. I’m sure he’s great in the locker room and all, but if he plays for 2:03 on a night when our top faceoff guy goes out AND he’s filling in for someone who plays for considerably longer than 2 minutes a night, he is of no use to this team at all. You may as well dress Tollefsen and have him play at forward.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Nov 21, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very well said, +1
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Betts out at least 4 weeks with a dislocated shoulder, according to Homer. God damnit.
So the call-up has to be a center, unless Briere moves back to the pivot (which would be the worst idea ever). I can’t find AHL faceoff stats, but Matsumoto has 14 points in 16 games, and is a plus 3. Ross has 7 points in 15 games, and is a -5. Dingle and Kalinski are both plus 1, but have a combined 6 points. Bring up Matsumoto! Laperriere can take the draws if need be.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 21, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Surely.
Lappy has played center before. Powe can play there too, depending on the severity of his injury.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
But if he plays, Homer won’t even call anybody up. Just let Cote dress (not play) again.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 22, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
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