Game 21, Preview and Open Thread: Rocky Mountain High, Philadelphia Flyers at Colorado Avalanche
Philadelphia Flyers at Colorado Avalanche, Nov 23, 2009 9:00 PM EST
Philadelphia Flyers (12-7-1, 25 pts) at Colorado Avalanche (13-7-3, 29 pts)
Pepsi Center - 9:00 PM ET - Denver, CO
TV: CSN Philly HD, Altitude HD
Radio: 610 WIP, XM 237
This is the open game thread.
Behind Enemy Lines: Mile High Hockey

With a win tonight in Colorado, they'll do just that. With Blair Betts and Darroll Powe out of the lineup, however, it doesn't prove to be an easy task. Andreas Nodl and Jared Ross have been called up to fill their spots, and they'll play on a line with their old Adirondack buddy, David Laliberte. Is that a way to "limit the damage" so to speak, or does John Stevens really think he can get something out of a line with three AHL players on it?
It appears Stevens wasn't content with Claude Giroux's minutes, either. He'll now move back to the wing, playing with center Jeff Carter and Scott Hartnell. Mike Richards will play between James van Riemsdyk and Danny Briere. Mika Pyorala will take Blair Betts' spot between Dan Carcillo and Ian Laperriere.
And it's Laperriere who returns to Colorado for the first time since leaving in free agency. He played four seasons in Denver and was a fan favorite. Fans out west still love Lappy, but they clearly don't like us very much thanks to our Cooperalls and our Lindros-Pronger's. Mile High Hockey on that subject after the jump...
Philadelphia, of course, is the new home of Ian Laperriere. He bolted after failing to reach an extension agreement with the Avs, signing a 3-year, $3.5 million dollar deal with the Flyers. While I'm rooting for Lappy, I detest the team he plays for. I've always hated the Flyers. I originally was going to say that hatred goes back to the days of that douchebag Eric Lindros, but I realized it goes back even farther. I first started getting into hockey in the early 80s. And what did the Flyers look like in the early 80s? Idiots. It might seem silly as I didn't have the same hatred of the Whalers, another Cooperalls team, but even as a new fan I thought long pants on hockey players looked ridiculous and I have hated the Flyers ever since. The fact that guys like Lindros and Chris Pronger (one of the few hockey players I flat out despise) have played for them only enhanced my festering dislike.
I've always kinda liked Colorado. Maybe it's the colors, maybe it's Joe Sakic, or maybe it's the fact that they were the hated rival of the Red Wings, and any enemy of the Red Wings is a friend of mine. Nevertheless, those are fighting words. Don't you dare insult Cooperalls and think you're going to get away with it, Avs fans....
Colorado leads the Northwest Division thanks to an excellent start to the season, but they're holding on for dear life. 3-6-1 in their last ten, they've lost their last two and are simply not playing good hockey right now. They take a lot of penalties -- second worst in minor penalties in the league -- so hopefully our boys can get the power play clicking again with several chances. The special teams were the major reason the Flyers lost to both Phoenix and San Jose over the weekend, an atypical truth for a team that's extremely solid on both the PK and power play. Colorado is weak in both departments, so the orange and black have a strong chance to get both units back on track tonight.
Probable Goaltenders
Questions To Answer
- How many minutes does the AHL line log tonight?
- Can Mika Pyorala have the same kind of chemistry Blair Betts did with Laperriere and Carcillo?
- Can the special teams get back on track tonight?
- Do the line changes adversely effect players who seemed to be benefitting from the old order, namely James van Riemsdyk and Claude Giroux?
Tonight's game will be broadcast locally on CSN Philly and 610 WIP. 9:00 PM local time. As always, join us here for the conversation, and LET'S GO FLYERS!
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They wore those cooperalls for what, half a season?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2009 5:34 PM EST reply actions
I hated the Cooperalls myself
Unfortunately I think it was close to 2 years!
by Prometheus74 on Nov 23, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
For the record, Cooperalls suck.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve always kinda liked Colorado.
Not me. I liked some of the players they’ve had in their history, and I rooted for them in 1996 and 2001, especially since they beat two teams I really disliked (Florida and NJ) in the Finals. When it comes to the Western Conference, I always root for the Flames, or at least a likable traditional team like the Blackhawks.
I always liked how Peter Forsberg had that Aphex Twin thing going on.


Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Wow! Such hated from a team’s fans that play us, what, once or twice a year? Love it. Travis is right, those are fighting words. I too have always cheered for the Avs because they were the Wing’s biggest opponent but now that the Wings have played the Pens in two very competitive Stanley Cups, I have certainly swung my allegiances. Plus, I really respect the way the Red Wings play and I like Zetterberg a whole lot.
Either way, I’d love to shove it in the Avs’ fans face tonight with a big win!
Haha, very true. I was more responding in the hatred for Big E and Prongs.
Its pretty pathetic when Cooperalls become a key piece in the one’s argument for hating a team. Although, as I said below, I do hate the Penguins baby blue third jerseys lol.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but the Pens are a division rival, so you’re hating their third jersey is just icing on the cake.
Right. Me hating their third jerseys is hardly one of the defining factors of my, already mentioned, deep seeded hatred. Then again, there is just nothing about the Penguins organization that I feel even neutral about lol.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
And three years later, the Internet has finally discovered Mike Rathje. Surprise! The Flyers are cheaters evading the salary cap!
http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/psh/comments/mike_rathje_and_the_flyers_cap/
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t even bother reading the idiots at Pensblog and thats still is such a ridiculous idea that my head hurts.
Lets just be clear on this. The dude at kiklaskorner wants a retired players salary to count against the cap anyway. If a player quits his job, the team should still take a cap hit. What a fucking moron.
Whoops.
Ben wrote Pennsburgh and I read “Pennblog” as in www.thepensblog.com. Obviously a humongous difference between the two and I don’t mean to call the former “idiots”.
And Pensburgh has it in their daily links. There’s are a few comments about it over there as well.
I didn’t notice it until you mentioned it and I searched for it. I used to have that blog in my RSS reader, but never really found anything worth reading. Deleted it about two months ago.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Tonight’s game is on Yahoo… link is above in the post.
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Florida wearing their new thirds tonight….

There’s nothing Florida about this. It’s a nice style, but the colors are totally unoriginal. They’re playing Pittsburgh tonight.. the Pens should’ve worn their baby blues to match.
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I was gonna say that it reminds me of the Penguins baby blue girl jerseys. Not really sure why FLA did this though. I like the logo in the middle but why did they choose the two shade’s of blue? Just silly, imo.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
That entire brand needs to be rehauled along with the organization if they ever want people to show up. Maybe this is a first step in doing so.
I love their jerseys, though. Well, pre-lockout at least. A little dull now.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Panthers score, 1-0
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Rangers also up 3-2 in the 2nd
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10 mins later
NYR has blown it wide open.
Columbus 2
NY Rangers 6
13:37 2nd
Avs fans will be happy knowing that CBJ won’t be passing anyone in the standings…
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i washed my hands on that game and now thanking going to watch a bit of hockey. Flyers could really use this game in the W column.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 23, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
thankful that I get to watch a bit of hockey now.****…(big brain fart on that one)
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by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 23, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
CBJ 2
NYR 7
Gaborik has a hatrick
NY Islanders 3
End
Toronto 1
2nd
Tavares enjoying his homecoming, thus far.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
My mistake
Gaborik only had 2 goals but did tack on 2 assists and was a +3.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
No Jonesy. He must be doing the DET-NSH game on VS tonight.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Florida scores. 2-0
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On Yahoo, too.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what feed that is, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
And it just gets better
Whoever is streaming the Flyers game, during commercials, is flipping over the the Monday Night Football game. Sweet.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Uwe Krupp night in Colorado, eh?
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Pepsi Center really doesn’t look very big, at least from the angles they just showed.
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Think it only holds like 17k… that’s Spectrumish.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Really hideous sweater behind the Colorado bench.
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Shit, that didn’t take long.
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Wow, didn’t even have a chance to sit down on that one.
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Think they forgot it’s a 9 PM start…
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I see somebody took Lupul’s 15.
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Nodl, apparently.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Laperriere took his 14 just as much.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
What # was he last year? I don’t remember.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Is that arena deathly quiet or is it just me?
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People are probably still funneling in.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Bartulis, Laliberte, Ross, and Nodl all on the ice at the same time. What a nightmare.
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Nodl may well pass Cote in TOI for the season before tonight ends.
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Are you kidding?
Shit.
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Emery needs a rest, whether he settles in tonight or not.
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Boosh really should’ve played Phoenix.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if they played together at all down there.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
They’re getting a ton of ice time.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Krupp sounds pretty Schwarzeneggery.
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Richards has gotta do more with that puck.
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Giroux is feeding him but Richie is just choking with the puck.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
The Adirondacks DEFINITELY look the best so far. And they’re getting a ton of ice time.
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Man, this line is absolutely buzzing. Who would’ve thought?
I guess Stevens just turned em loose and said do what ya can.
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There isn’t much pressure on that line. They know they aren’t gonna get much time so they are just gonna go out there and bang some bodies and mix it up. They are the only bright spot so far. . .
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Scores around the league
NY Islanders 3
Toronto 3
2:04 3rd
Washington 3
Ottawa 2
13:26 3rd
Pittsburgh 1
Florida 2
15:11 3rd
Man, how the mighty have fallen. Flyers PK down to 18th.
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Because… they’ve sucked? lol, what do you mean?
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Idk…there has to be some explanation to why they started so well and have sucked so bad recently.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
There’s probably tons of explanations… Betts? Gagne? Lack of conditioning from playing so few games at the beginning? I’m sure there’s plenty of other ideas out there
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ottawa ties it at 3-3 vs the Caps.
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These last two have probably been the worst two periods of the season for the Flyers.
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Look at Bartulis jumpin into the offense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions
Briere! wooooooo
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Briere with a ridiculous wind up for that goal.
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Hopefully that’s a big momentum bringer there.
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Another reminder for you all to tune into BSH Radio tomorrow.
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I’d rec this, but that’d make me look like some sort of hack.
Still, do as the man says.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Look at you, Captain Plug.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Some intermission reading...
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2009/11/23/1171295/phantoms-off-to-a-slow-start
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Beats the hell out of Coatesy’s Corner.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
this.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Someone should work on a play-on-words for Kyle Cumiskey. One of the most unfortunate last names I’ve ever seen
There was a guy who used to play for the Trenton Titans of the ECHL named Bryce Cockburn. Pronounced it Co-burn, but nobody cared.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
This will always be #1 in my book.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 23, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes! Brilliant.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Caps take a penalty with 3 minutes left. Go Ottawa.
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Watching that one now.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
That just means we’ll see Biron on Wednesday…
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Just looking at the ESPN gamecast, the Islanders blocked another 20 or so.
Weren’t we always going to be facing Biron?
Were we? I don’t know.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, Pens tied it.
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Seriously, I’ve counted them out so many times this year in vain.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’m diggin JJ’s shirt and tie tonight.
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Caps lose! Woot.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions
Nice! Shame it took OT, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Carter! Tie game!
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WOOT!
Tie ballgame, bitches.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:02 PM EST reply actions
Nice penalty draw by Laliberte there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions
Laliberte tumbles, come on PP.
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Real bad penalty by Briere.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, Emery is off tonight. No joke there.
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Why is Nodl on PK?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions
Pens win it…
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Another weak goal.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Sigh, not okay.
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Not. Cool.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions
Anderson got SO lucky on that one.
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JVR has been invisible tonight until that.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions
I’m gonna go to Wawa. Boosh better be in the net when I get back.
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Apparently, Emery doesnt play well against teams he’s never faced before…
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions
Emery has gotta be out.
And he’s gone. Good.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions
How much of this deficit do we peg on Emery?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions
I think we could all see this coming, but they kept playing him and you could tell he was wearing down.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 23, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
As I was thinking that Boosh did okay for the PK, now that happens.
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions
Sigh.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions
That one wasn’t Boosh’s fault at all though.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions
As a big AHL apologist, Laliberte left Carle alone too long in the corner and it was only a matter of time until the two Avs got the puck away from Matt. Then, Bartulis needed to cut the man off at the other side of the net, but he stayed with his man instead of trading off with Carle. Then, Boucher left the five-hole open. I’m sure you could find even more errors, but there’s three players who effed up on that last goal.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions
Whoa, Giroux got some nice shots in there
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions
WTF is Giroux doing? Flyers had total control in the offensive zone there.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully we’ll get a better look at what lead up to that…
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Back-to-back Briere and Giroux fights. Won’t see that ever again.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:35 PM EST reply actions
I dont blame Giroux for wanting to sit in the box. Better than having to play in this joke of a contest. Going to be a long 4-6 months without Betts or Powe
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 23, 2009 10:35 PM EST reply actions
What a great pass to Carter, and he did nothing with it.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions
I’m guessing he was off balance, but his reaction was almost like his skates were glued to the ice
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
My new drinking game will be based on chances that Carter pisses away.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 23, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I had the Colorado radio guy in the car on XM and he was going solo, Vin Scully style.
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Oh Bill Clement, why did you have to go all the way to “Gary Bettman is smart”. Why?
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 10:45 PM EST reply actions
Best we can hope for here is maybe a goal or two, and holding them off the board this period.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions
Great, everyone is already more exhausted from the altitude and Stevens might roll just 3 line?
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions
I bet Stevens picks names out of a hat. Maybe he has an iPhone app to make it look less obvious.
by Ben Feldman on Nov 23, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Cote actually designed the iPhone app. That’s why they keep him — they want his technological mind.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
So how was Giroux’s fight? I missed it.
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He threw some really nice punches, and he was totally into the fight. As they went down to the ice, Giroux got a good volley of quick hits in at the end. Good stuff.
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
This game sucks.
Not much else to say,
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Will someone please explain to me the reasoning of putting Giroux in the middle of Carbomb and Lappy as opposed to Hartnell and Briere?
Intensity and energy is all I’ve got, because there can’t be any other explanation
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Roman Cechmanek reference on the CSN broadcast…
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Everything about this game sucks.
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I have the solution:
1. Trade Adirondack for a bunch of draft picks.
2. Kidnap Malkin & Fleury from Pittsburgh.
3. Hire the mafia to “convince” the NHL that the Flyers are incapable of going over the salary cap.
4. Let nature take its course.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
More like trade the Flyers for a bunch of draft picks…
by Ben Feldman on Nov 23, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
This road trip is way more painful than I thought it would be.
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions
It seems like every time Parent makes a nice defensive play, he immediately does something to ruin it.
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Hey, Briere.
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Woot, making it vaguely more respectable.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions
Colorado sucks at holding leads. Just sayin’
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Tons of chances here.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions
Briere’s goal seems to have woken them up
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, came at a rough time, right at the end of the period. They came out hard in the second though.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, at the very least it’s life.
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Too many men on Colorado.
Good teams take advantage.
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YES!
Carter!!!
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Carter!
If they can win this shitshow, I’d be ok with that.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions
Win? Of they can get this to OT, I’d be happy.
by Mitchell Green on Nov 23, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, Giroux beats him but drops his stick.
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God damnit Hartnell.
Anderson’s about a mile outta the goal, too.
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What a flop by Anderson.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 PM EST reply actions
WOW.
What a dive by Anderson.
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Damn, that’s frustrating.
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A lot, but too late here.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions
Well at least they really tried for that shortie…
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions
Doesn’t really matter when ya miss the net that much.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is why you play for 60 minutes.
If the Flyers gave a damn at the beginning of the game, they probably would have won.
I predict an OT loss at Long Island just because they’re due to beat us.
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Yep. It was a solid effort in the third, but it should’ve never come to that.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
At least Boosh played okay for that third period. But this road trip still sucks…. I can’t remember a time when it was so important to put a hurtin on the Islanders
by DragonGirl0583 on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions
Road trip so far:
1-3 with a 3-game losing streak. Injuries to Powe, Betts, and now Timonen. A must-win against a surprisingly dangerous team in Long Island. A goalie who has hit the wall. Not a good situation to be in.
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What a difference a week makes, huh?
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 23, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Plus side:
We killed all of the opposition power plays tonight, and scored on one of our own.
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