Game 22, Preview and Open Thread: Reunited With Marty, Philadelphia Flyers at New York Islanders
by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 5:09 PM EST
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Philadelphia Flyers (12-8-1, 25 pts) at New York Islanders (9-8-7, 25 pts)
Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum - 7:00 PM EST - Uniondale, NY
TV: CSN Philly HD, Yahoo! Online
Radio: 610 WIP, XM 205
This is the open game thread.
Behind Enemy Lines: Lighthouse Hockey
Tonight, this hell of a road trip will finally be over. But before we can all breathe a sigh of relief, the Flyers will have to beat the Islanders tonight on Long Island. With a loss tonight, I will start to worry. Three straight losses out West are understandable. Not acceptable, but understandable. Making that four losses against a team that the Flyers are clearly superior than is not acceptable. It's not a must win tonight, but it's as close as you can get in the month of November.
For one, a loss tonight would make that in-superior hockey team top us in the standings. That's right, the Islanders are currently tied with us in the Eastern Conference with 25 points, but as their 9-8-7 record shows, they're being successful by having a penchant for getting games to overtime.
A major key in the Isles' relative success has been rookie phenom John Tavares. He's living up to the hype that has surrounded him since he broke onto the scene as a pimple-faced teenager, and now that he's a not-pimple-faced teenager, he's among the Isles' team leaders in scoring. But as Dominik from Lighthouse Hockey worried last night on BSH Radio and again today on his site, Tavares might not be as successful against the Flyers and Chris Pronger.
"But I'm more worried," Dominik wrote, "about Chris Pronger simply being physically dominant around the Flyers net -- John Tavares's workshop -- and using his long reach to disrupt any moves or shots Tavares tries." Outside of Tavares, the Flyers have Matt Moulson, Jeff Tambellini, and Kyle Okposo to worry about up front. But for the most part, the Islanders are a one-line team and their offense can be limited.
They've allowed 74 goals in 24 games so far this season, compared to the 59 allowed by Philadelphia in 21 games, so they are certainly vulnerable on defense. The Flyers are pretty hobbled in the scoring department, as we well know. Danny Briere will sit this one out due to suspension, and Darroll Powe and Blair Betts are still out as well. The good news? Arron Asham is back tonight. David Laliberte has been sent back to the Phantoms, so it looks as though Riley Cote will get to play hockey tonight.
The big news, though, is that the Flyers will see Martin Biron for the first time since casting him aside this offseason. Marty has basically been pushed into a backup role by Dwayne Roloson, who Yahoo! apparently thinks is playing tonight. It'll be Marty, but we wont get to see a rematch of Emery vs Biron's little fisticuffs match.
Brian Boucher will go for the Flyers tonight, and he earned it, in my humble opinion. Emery looked terrible against Colorado and pretty unimpressive against Phoenix as well. He's simply hit a wall and needs a rest, and Boucher has earned some time with his performance in relief against the Avs and even against Los Angeles last week. There's no goalie controversy, of course, but Emery needs a little rest. He'll get it tonight.
After the jump, we'll ask a few questions to be answered tonight.
Questions To Answer
- Can Pronger and Matt Carle shut down Tavares and the Isles' top-line?
- Will the Flyers be able to take advantage of knowing Martin Biron's weaknesses?
- The Isles take 4.25 minor penalties per game, on average. That's about middle of the pack in the league, but the Flyers PP should get some chances tonight. Can they take advantage against a PK that's also average?
- Is Kimmo Timonen hurt? He didn't play in the third on Monday night, but the Flyers haven't said anything about his absence. Any indications tonight that something is wrong?
- Ice time for Riley Cote?
Tonight's game will be broadcast locally on CSN Philly. Listen on 610 WIP, and if you're not in the Philadelphia or New York markets, watch live online -- for free -- from Yahoo! (link above). As always, join us here for the conversation, and LET'S GO FLYERS!
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Pre-game Speculation
We might see a new line tonight. Carter may potentially move to wing and play on Richards’ line tonight in an attempt to make up for the loss of Danny Briere. Interesting idea. Dunno if the rumors are true our not. I guess we’ll see in a little over an hour. Com’on Flyguys! Do this!
Carter is playing with Richards and JVR.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Good call on the Fight
Completely forgot about that
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 25, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions
So if Emery hits the wall after the first 16 games of the season, which were ridiculously spread out over a month and a half…
How exactly is he going to help the Flyers get deep into the playoffs? Unless they plan on going Fo, Fo, Fo, Fo ?
Hell yes. This team is all about the Fo, Fo, Fo, Fo.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 25, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hit A wall, not THE wall. I probably could have avoided that phrase, but nonetheless, that’s not what I meant. I don’t think anyone thinks he’s spent, right? I certainly don’t. I was just implying he needs a rest.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Uhh. The wallpaper on Bundy’s laptop is a Yankees logo?
Run him out of town.
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Haha, I forgot how the visiting goalie has to sit in the tunnel on Long Island. Funny seeing Emery all alone halfway down the boards in the Flyers zone.
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Boston Winter Classic jersey behind the Flyers bench…? Lost?
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might be a plug in the making…
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 25, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody else a little unsettled about how quickly Asham returned?
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Wow, Witt’s hair sucks.
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I don’t like sending Laliberte down.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions
It’s not like there were cap implications. I don’t get it either. Basically, they said Cote > Laliberte.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but still. Cote’s in, Laliberte’s out.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Plus, what do you expect out of Ross and Nodl if you’re sticking them with Cote? Anything?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’d get behind him taking Carter’s ‘A’, but if he got the ‘C’, those saying Richie got it too early would have the same argument.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
A roughing penalty on Hartnell. Not a smart hockey play, but really? That’s a penalty??
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions
Odds on Ryan Parent getting his first career goal tonight?
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It’s the time of year for that, after all.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Nov 25, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, I thought Boucher would get over in time for that one.
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Great shot, terrible mental fart by Coburn.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all. I loved the replay where Coburn saw his man slip back there and still think he’s in the right spot. Watching the play will burn you every time.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I didn’t like how he peeled off a puck in the offensive zone, misjudged the speed and lost the battle that never should have happened. He’s playing better in his own end though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Cote with the puck is like seeing a dog with three legs.
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Agreed. Who’d have known that the more he plays, the better he looks?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
would the same apply to Cote?
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 25, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Come on Ross, you gotta pass that puck broseph.
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Now that I see it against the Flyers, not sure I’m ok with the Islanders not being terrible anymore.
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Some nice scrambling from Boucher, but it shouldn’t have to come to that.
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And the Islanders are skating circles around us. Utterly ridiculous.
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That was pretty skilled of Boosh to spit through his mask like that without hitting the bar…
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Billy Clement agrees with me.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
How many skills does Boosh have? He’s already really good at hockey.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
I always loved Boosh. It’s nice to be reminded why every once in a while.
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10 PIM in 20 minutes for Lappy. Impressive.
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This Game Sucks.
One day soon, I know I’ll be able to stop saying that. Tonight would be nice.
Dear Flyers:
Please stop playing like you’re trying to get the coach fired. That goes for all of you except Carter, Laperierre, and Boucher.
Love,
M5
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
yeah Giroux or Carter will score for us tonight
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by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 25, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
So the Boucher jersey I bought on eBay this spring (cause I wanted to be cool) is turning out to be quite a steal.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions
It’s annoying when the opposing announcers make a good point about how crappy the Flyers are playing.
yeah, i hate having to watch on opposing teams station.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 25, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I went to school with Howie Rose’s daughter. She’s not very nice.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
So I’m watching college hockey too. Quinnipiac just scored five goals on Princeton so fast that the ECAC website can’t even register them. They still have the score as 0-0.
Do the same, Flyers?
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That was an absolutely terrible call. Bartulis lifts a guy’s stick so well, he gets called for hooking. Awful call.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions
This game REALLY sucks.
I mean really.
Everything they did well the other night against the Avs they are not doing well tonight.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
If we were playing a good team tonight, this game would be over already. These guys are sleepwalking.
Boosh has been great, too, so that helps.
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don’t get pulled over.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
- star so far: Brian Boucher by far.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions
Stupid auto format: Number 1 star so far: Brian Boucher by far*
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
We are so lucky this is a tie game.
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Stevens better be yelling right now.
That’s been necessary way too much these days.
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Stevens is probably making sure his fantasy football roster is set for tomorrow while Cote gets him an ice coffee and Pronger yells at the team in the background. Or, at least, that’s how I envision it.
Greg Jennings is in my lineup…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the Flyers forgot how to play. It sure looks that way.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Agreed.
Part of me is thinking they need a big loss to set their heads straight. But then again, these mental problems have been with this team for years now. Who knows what it’s going to take….
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not big losses… bad losses, but not big ones. Phoenix was the only one they had no purpose winning. Colorado and SJ were still winnable in the third period.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
It’s gotta be something quick, because this team clearly has the talent to win this season. A message needs to be sent, and I guess a coaching change is the easiest way to do that. But I don’t think this is all necessarily Stevens’ fault.
I’d take the C away from Richards. Give it to Pronger. That would certainly shake up the status quo.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I said earlier, and I’ll say it again: I think a better shake-up would be giving Lappy and/or Giroux an A. Specifically, take one away from Carter.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm...
Who knows what it’s going to take….
They need a coach who threatens physical abuse.
“Not hustlin’ on the backcheck? That’s a paddlin’. Not winnin’ puck battles along the boards? That’s a paddlin’. Not giving 100 percent every night? You’d better BELIEVE that’s a paddlin’.”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Nov 25, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
score…hahaha
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 25, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
haha, rec’d.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not the Isles…
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
And yes, I’m implying the Flyers are inferior opponent.
Tonight, at least.
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Carcillo looks like he belongs in a low budget cheesy porno with that bad ’stache
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
should of practiced shooting…he had that goal….
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
by PhillyPhan85 on Nov 25, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
When/If Gagne returns, I want him playing with Giroux.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions
A Marty chant?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions
Bill McCreary is terrible at his job.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions
GGOOOAAALLLL
well carter and giroux got points, might not score but works for me.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
I don’t think I’ll ever be a Jeff Carter fan. I just can’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions
Hey, we’re winning.
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That’s a pretty bitchin’ shot.
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These line combos are… interesting.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions
CSN Player of the Game: Brian Boucher. Whole-heartedly agree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 25, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions
Win is a win?
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Oh don’t you dare!
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by Travis Hughes on Nov 25, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
They are not tricking me. How often is it that they play like crap the first and second period and then dominate the third?
They did the same damn thing against Colorado. This whole playing 20 minutes per game thing is reminding me too much of what killed us so often last season. If we play like we did in the third period of the past two games, we sure as hell won’t lose all that many, but that requires more effort and leadership than what they’re putting out.
The one and perhaps only bright spot through the entire road trip has been Giroux. No Flyer has been more impressive through the past five games, in my book.
I agree, but put Boucher second. They’ve won both games he started.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 26, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
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