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The NHL is not out to get the Philadelphia Flyers

It's a notion that's been believed by a group of Philadelphia Flyers faithful for years. The National Hockey League and the people who run it are vehemently anti-Flyers. They always have been, always will be, and it's an injustice that we must speak out against at every opportunity. Look around. In comments here on this site and around the web, in discussion at games, on signs in the Wachovia Center, and even in comments by some players, some people around the Flyers organization have never shied away from this steadfast belief.

The fact of the matter is, however, that it's simply not true.

Most of us have been willing to simply let go these delusions, shaking them off as those of a select few on the fringe of the hockey-loving spectrum. But when a prominent member of the Philadelphia media who writes for the largest sports television channel in town attempts to make the argument, it becomes tough to continue to ignore this stuff.

In his weekly notebook column over the weekend, CSN Philly's Tim Panaccio went all "us against the world" on the NHL's recent suspension decisions. Citing the Danny Briere suspension last week in comparison to a hit by Alex Ovechkin on Buffalo's Patrick Kaleta, Panaccio complains that AO didn't see a suspension -- a fair criticism, to be sure. That is, until you get to his reasoning.

Sure, we understand. You (Ovechkin) sell tickets. You fill buildings. We need you on the ice – which is why Colin Campbell, the league’s Lord of Discipline, didn’t suspended you.

Now, had you been wearing Flyer orange, that, you would have gotten at least two games. After all, that Briere is a more vicious hitter than you.

Gimme a break, Coley.

This is what injustice is all about in the NHL. Briere got two games because the league was champing on the bit to suspend a Flyer because, as much as they wanted to suspend Mike Richards earlier this month for his hit on Florida’s David Booth, they couldn’t find anything wrong with it within the rules.

No, Tim -- you need to give us a break. There is no anti-Flyers bias, no matter how much you or a select group of fans want to believe it.

Panaccio provided absolutely zero proof of an anti-Philadelphia sentiment besides his own opinion, and quite frankly, that's just not good enough. Can he prove that the NHL was "champing on the bit" to suspend Mike Richards? Nope. Why not? Because Campbell's own comments support Richards' play.

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As we quoted back when the NHL handed down the ruling on the Richards/Booth hit:

"I believe there is a responsibility by the player getting hit by a legal check that he has to have his head up and avoid it," Campbell said. "In my day, if you got hit that way, legally by a player, your teammates would wonder what was going on, your coach would look at you and maybe not say anything, but your dad for sure when you got home would give you crap for having your head down. I'm certainly concerned about player safety, but I'm more concerned about taking a play out of the game that is a good, physical part of the game."

While that quote didn't stem from the Richards hit directly --  in fact, it was made last March -- it clearly defends the type of hit that Richards delivered. It defends the type of style that the Broad Street Bullies and the Philadelphia Flyers have been known for. Honestly, it's about as far from "anti-Flyers" as you can get. And this isn't some nobody making that statement -- it's the guy who makes these suspension decisions.

But, okay. That's just one incident. There must be some evidence of elsewhere of the bias against us, right?

Just a few days after being hit by Ovechkin, Kaleta was suspended two games for hitting Jared Ross -- A FLYER! --  this past Saturday with a hit that many around the sport felt didn't deserve suspension because Ross was partly responsible for his injury. Philadelphia general manager Paul Holmgren even admitted as much after the game, saying that turning toward the boards to draw a penalty, as Ross did, is "a little bit of a tactic now."

The Flyers are in the 2010 Winter Classic next month while the Ovechkin and the Capitals, the early front-runners over the orange and black for a spot in that game, will be home sleeping off their hangovers. Where's the bias there?

Flyers chairman Ed Snider is a member of the NHL's Competition Committee, a panel of hockey people that makes recommendations to the league on ways to change the game and make the overall NHL product better. Snider is the only owner with the honor of being a member. Man, the NHL just hates us so much.

Seriously, this stuff is getting old. It makes each and every one of us look bad when people start talking about conspiracy theories every time a penalty is called or a suspension is levied against our team. These are simply the paranoid thoughts of a few delusional fans, and for these delusions to be perpetuated in the media without any way to prove them as fact is utterly irresponsible.

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Truth. I think we got our “bash the MSM” quota for the week done…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

Aww, before I even get a turn with the pinata stick?

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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 1, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, if you want to bash some D.C. writer, I think that can be an exception.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Panotch is a clown. That’s all that can be said.

You can say “The league hates the Flyers” if by “league” you mean “the fans of all other teams in the league.”

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by mikefive on Dec 1, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Accurate! ;-)

Also, I’m not entirely up on my Philly writers, but didn’t Panaccio write somewhere else before CSN? I’m thinking Inquirer, but I don’t know how accurate that may be.

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by FrankD on Dec 1, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct. I believe the Inquirer tried pushing him onto the Eagles beat and he wasn’t down with that so he left. I think.

For the record, Panotch is from Pittsburgh and is a Steelers fan. Just, ya know, full disclosure. ;)

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2009 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah yeah yeah. That might be able to explain his constant attempts at over-compensating with these issues that he won’t just let die out. Like, ya know, continuously banking on the “NHL hates Philly” talk. Maybe he’s just a Pens fan covering the Flyers as punishment for some wrong doings in a previous life.

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by FrankD on Dec 1, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think either of our fanbases deserve Panotch.

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by mikefive on Dec 1, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hah!

I forget the website, but I think it’s called Sports Argument Wiki or something. It’s designed to look like Wikipedia but it’s just fake “encyclopedia” entries which are comprised solely of trash talk. The Flyers’ entry was just a big flashing Flyers logo with the words “Everybody Hates Philly.” True facts.

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by mikefive on Dec 1, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe not flyers bias

it’s hard to say the refs aren’t biased when richards’ even suggested last year that the refs were treating the penguins differently

or billy guerin fighting coburn last year in the final minutes, and guerin, who has a history of fighting, is not suspended.

what i will say is that the league does have a double standard for dealing with its more popular players.

example:
malkin “delivering a message” at the end of game 3 (i think) of the stanley cup finals by fighting, and not being suspended.

“47.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) – A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime, shall automatically be suspended for one game. The Director of Hockey Operations will review every such incident and may rescind the suspension based on a number of criteria. The criteria for the review shall include, but not limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties.”

it is this kind of language that enables the league to hold a double standard when disciplining the players.

guh, i guess i’m just another conspiracy theorist flyers fan. will redon my tinfoil hat.

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by psudrozz on Dec 1, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

It’s one thing to point out the inconsistencies in the league, it’s another to say the league hates the Flyers. Most, if not all, people will admit the NHL favors their stars, but it’s not “anti-Flyers” just cause the Pens and Caps have the biggest ones.

I wouldn’t don your tinfoil hat yet, but some others might want you to put it on and join them.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying the NHL isn’t unfair in a lot of their decisions. It’s obvious that in a lot of these situations, their reasoning often times goes against their own rules and there are clearly no standards for determining suspensions.

But to say that those decisions are anti-Flyers or are in some way made to get at the Flyers is just nonsense.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

One thing not really addressed here is that the Flyers have a tradition of getting guys who already have reputations before donning the orange and black. There’s a lot of penalties that a guy like Carcillo will get whistled for no matter what jersey he’s wearing.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 1, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

I’d say Downie and Boulerice fit perfectly into that category as well.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

good point

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by psudrozz on Dec 1, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, another thing that was pointed out to me on Twitter…

Where was the suspension for Scott Hartnell when he allegedly bit Kris Letang? If the league was truly against the Flyers, they would’ve put the clamp down on him in a heartbeat.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Plus his knee-on-knee on Gonchar last year in the playoffs.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Against the Pens Cooke and Kunitz were allowed to go head hunting on Kimmo all series. I love our reputation I want this team to embrace we looked like such pussy’s (pardon the language) the way we played against the Pens in that series we let the refs intimidate us from taking runs at their stars and retaliating to the cheap shots we were receiving hoping we would get the calls. They never came and it was an complete embarrassment for the Flyers to lose like that. As a direct result in comes Pronger and Lappy two guys who flat out don’t care about the refs, won’t allow our team to become intimidated, and will hold guys like Kunitz, Cooke and Avery accountable. With the instigator rule and the no message sending rules the only way to keep players honest since you can’t go after them when a came is out of hand is the play with an Eye for an Eye style, you run us we run you may the team with the best doctors win.

by chrislanci on Dec 1, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, for the record, Cooke was recently held accountable for his own actions after hitting the Rangers’ Anisimov with an unhealthy check. Two games for the deed and I don’t think many Pens fans were arguing against the ruling. It was expected.

And as for Avery, he made an attempt to connect with the back of Crosby’s head with an obvious cross check. At the last second Crosby ducked out of the way and set Avery tumbling like it was a self defense move, but if Avery connected with that there’d be more to talk about other than just Ovechkin’s knee-to-knee or Keith Ballard’s attempt to behead Vokoun.

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by FrankD on Dec 1, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Those Cooke and Kunitz hits in last years playoffs don’t deserve suspensions but they do deserve penalties and they didn’t even get 2 minutes for those giant kill shots they were allowed to target Kimmo and go for his head. I don’t care about this year last year your Pens got away with murder in the playoffs.

by chrislanci on Dec 2, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The bite was amazing. I just wish there had been clearer video.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 1, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t that the bite that left no mark, where he stuck his finger into Hartnell’s mouth? If nothing else, it was amusing.

by Mike B on D on Dec 1, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Supposedly he was bleeding? But yes, if nothing else, it was amusing.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not as amusing as when Conboy bit Downie during a fight in an AHL game last year. Afterward, Downie kept looking at his hand, showing it to the ref, and saying “He bit me!”

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by mikefive on Dec 1, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I remember them saying there was no mark. I could be wrong.

by Mike B on D on Dec 1, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

People (read: commenters at Pensburgh) were saying that he was bleeding. However, every tv shot just showed him with a towel over his hand, with no visual evidence of blood.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

There was pig’s blood on the bandage.

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by FrankD on Dec 1, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

There is no bias against the Flyers, but there is one that is pro-superstar, similar to what NBA players experience from officials. i.e. it would seem the superstar players get away with a lot more than others. I realize there probably has to be a bit of leeway for these players, because they are targeted, but it can’t be so blatant that it appears to be pure favoritism.

However, the Winter Classic thing had nothing to do with the league. NBC wanted the Flyers; the NHL wanted the Caps. Credit NBC for knowing where the rabid fanbase is—and also knowing which team everyone else loves to hate.

by doubleh on Dec 1, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

in regards to the NBA they did suspend Dwight Howard against the Sixers last year in the playoffs something that would have been nice to see with Malkin in the Finals. Malkin did jump Zetterberg who is a superstar in his own right and he didn’t, maybe not Anti-Flyers bias but I think the NHL has been pro Penguins since Cindy got into the league trying to save that franchise for some reason or another. In my humble opinion pro Pens is anti Flyers and the way the officials called last years playoffs was a joke.

Lindros who was arguably the last true Superstar in the Flyers have had never got the Superstar treatment/protection by the NHL. Even when Forsberg was here he didn’t get the protection his status deserved, I clearly remember many images of him arguing with the refs and jawing with Crosby. I can understand superstar bias but it seems unfair/anti-Flyers when our stars aren’t afforded the treatment. It is aggravating and can only be explained as anti-Flyer bias.

Call me crazy but I try to be objective and I am not a conspiracy theory guy but I watch the games and see how things are called maybe it is just bad luck but my dad an avid fan since 1967 has been drumming this anti-flyers bias down my throat since I started following the team in the early 90’s. For christ sakes we didn’t even win the lottery for the number pick, the crease rule during the Legion of Doom era, the instigator rule, no fighting with 5 minutes left direct result of the highly related beloved Flyers Ottawa game, and many rules changes / re-interperation of the rules seem to disfavor our teams model at the time.

Certainly a lot more has been done by the league in terms of rule changes and officiating has gone against the Flyers in the last 25 years than it has for it, whether it is a conscious effort to be anti-Flyers can never be proven but sometimes it just seems that way.

a must watch to you can see how hung up Colin Campbell is about the Flyers, especially the Bullies the one example he brings up is Ed Hospodar from forever ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X8J-fPvUDk

by chrislanci on Dec 1, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

There are levels of superstar. Howard hasn’t reached Kobe or LeBron like levels yet, but he is on his way. What he did was pretty egregious so he had to be suspended; not like it made any difference because the Sixers got killed even without him in the lineup.

Malkin and Crosby should have been suspended last year for a few infractions, but then again, Richards hit this season probably would have resulted in a suspension had it been, say, Hartnell who did it. Even though I agree with the non-suspension, there seems to be too much gray area in which the league officials can operate and oftentimes the guy with no “past” or the star player gets the benefit of the doubt.

This is what I fear about the new headshot rules the league is thinking of putting in place next season or even toward the end of this season. Everything I’m reading about them leaves too much room for interpretation by officials. Not only is it going to result in yet more inconsistency—it’s dangerous. I am in the remove instigator penalty camp myself. It isn’t being enforced properly anyway.

by doubleh on Dec 1, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

the richards hit

was entireley legal

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by psudrozz on Dec 1, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, but that doesn’t stop the league from suspending guys sometimes. And not everyone believes it was legal. Of course, opposing fanbases think every hit on their player is dirty, but even listening to the league and subsequent reports on NHL Network, the verbiage surrounding the hit made it sound like it should have been illegal.

A consipiracy theorist would say that the league wanted it to be illegal so they could suspend Richards, but I won’t go that far.

by doubleh on Dec 1, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

for one I think Richards should have gotten 2 games, I was more okay with the Briere hit than the Richards hit but saying in the last 25 years that is the one call that might have gone in favor of the Flyers, that seems pretty one sided.

by chrislanci on Dec 2, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

even Kobe doesn’t get away with as much as Malkin did. That is a clear cut rule if you get an instigator under 5 minutes to play you get a game. Of course in the NHL everything is reviewable and that is the problem too much gray area make it clear cut no interpretation need. Everyone would agree that he deserved his instigator and there that is that tough shit a rule is a rule your are suspended no exceptions.

by chrislanci on Dec 2, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

This thing started...

A couple of years ago when Jones and Downie got those huge suspensions.

The excesive amount of penalties is just the players being lazy and stupid, not the league hating us. I thought this “the league hates us” talk was starting to go away, but I guess not.

by philiafan14364 on Dec 1, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

The Jones suspension was only two games and probably should’ve been much, much longer. He could have ended Bergeron’s career.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't there a study a year or two ago that teams that wear black get penalized more?

I may be misremembering things, but I’m pretty darn sure I ran across a study analyzing that.

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by The Dark on Dec 1, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

Your evidence is about basically as anecdotal as Pannacio’s evidence. And the fact that Campbell had previously defended a hit like Richards’ before he made it just goes to support the idea that they wanted to suspend Richards and couldn’t. Not to mention that Campbell recused himself from the Richards decision.

I just think you take a very naive view of this. Read this article about how an NBA ref is undeniably and blatantly biased against the Dallas Mavericks. And all the stuff about Dick Bavetta being the NBA’s “fixer”. There is a study that shows racial bias in NBA officiating.

Moving to the rink, there’s the stuff that came out yesterday about home team bias.

The NHL is not actively out to get the Flyers. But you can’t deny that certain teams (Flyers and Red Wings) have been on the short end of a lot of questionable decisions and certain other teams (Pittsburgh) get the “lucky” end.

And to think that its all attributable to purely random acts of fate… I choose to live more realistically.

by MarioD on Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Campbell recused himself from that decision because his son plays for Florida. If they wanted to suspend Richards for the Booth hit, they very easily could have. I would argue that it would’ve been easier for them to suspend him rather than let it go — setting a new precedent. It wouldn’t have been the right call according to the rules, but they still could have done it without much backlash. They still chose not to.

Panaccio didn’t even offer up an argument. He just said it like it was fact, yet there’s nothing to point to that says the league is biased against the Flyers. That’s my beef here.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 1, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s impossibly to completely dismiss the idea of any kind of bias in officiating, especially in light of Tim Donaghy’s recent shenanigans. Whether or not you believe his accusation that there are scores of other refs who act in similar fashion at times, officials are in fact human and are prone to seeing things they want to/not want to see.

That does not translate into the entire league being anti-Flyers, but I can see the arguments that other teams seem to be favored above the O & B. I find this odd, considering how much Snider does for the sport and how popular the Flyers franchise is in general (what it means to the NHL). The same could be said for the Red Wings.

by doubleh on Dec 1, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

Snider has had more than a few standoffs with the league. He was not far from the forefront of the Lockout debacle (against the lockout and against a salary cap). He’s mellowed in his old age, but take a look:

After the game, Snider unleashed a tirade against Referee Terry Gregson for calling the late penalty on Philadelphia’s John LeClair.

“When the official decides a game, it’s a disgrace,” Snider said. “Everybody in the stands knows what that guy did. I understand I’m going to get fined, and I don’t care how much I get fined. The truth is there. Everybody in the stands knows it. Everybody in the city knows it. It’s a disgrace to the game. If Gregson can sleep tonight, God bless him.”

Here’s a fun game! Where is Terry Gregson now?
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Director of Officiating for the NHL!

by MarioD on Dec 1, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like I remember that…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 1, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone who saw it should remember it. It was post-game of the Flyers being eliminated in 1999. Snider gathered the press in the bowels of the FU Center and unleashed.

Its too old to be on the internet I think, but it was amazing.

by MarioD on Dec 1, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t much that is too old for the Internet. Here it is (WAV file).

“Where was he born, Toronto?”

by Ben Feldman on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the best post-game tirades ever, at least in Philly.

by doubleh on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

As sad and angry as I was after that game, Ed Snider’s tirade made me feel better.

Much like last year’s first round loss, the Flyers were the better team in that 1999 series. They just couldn’t score. If memory serves they outscored the Leafs something like 10-9 for the series and still lost.

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by mikefive on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that tirade. I also remember thinking he was right on at the time.

I did not know, however, that Gregson was director of officiating. That’s kind of unbelievable.

by doubleh on Dec 1, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  


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