Flyers reportedly looking to deal
by Travis Hughes on Dec 11, 2009 11:50 AM EST
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According to a report by Sam Carchidi of the Inquirer, Paul Holmgren and company are looking to trade, and another source says they have been sniffing the waters since before Peter Laviolette was hired. Carchidi writes that an absurd number (16) of scouts were in attendance for last night's game against the Senators, and if they weren't lulled to sleep by the game, they may have been able to take a look at some possible trade pieces.
Most of the Carchidi piece is purely speculation, but The Fourth Period added some more certainty to the report.
The Flyers have been looking to make a change well before they fired John Stevens and replaced him with Peter Laviolette. Holmgren's looking for a fix up front, and while I understand why they believe they're ok between the pipes, if Emery comes back and can't get his game together, Philly will have to look for outside help between the pipes.
Nothing we're not really aware of, but still, it puts a definitive stamp on things for us. The Flyers are looking for help.
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No mention of the fact that they only have somewhere in the ball park of $1m in cap space?
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They could always do a need-for-need/contract-for-contract deal which wouldn’t affect the cap space all that much either way.
I can’t imagine that the team will do something small if they make a trade. They’re going to do an impact deal – one which would likely involve one large contract leaving and another coming in.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s sort of the point. The Flyers can’t trade need-for-need because they’d have to trade a scoring forward in order to have cap space to get a player back, and their need is scoring forward…
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but sometimes you have to make that sacrifice / take a chance.
If you trade someone like Carter (who is not producing) for someone who can put up similar numbers (and IS producing), you come out ahead.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But you need to think about what you just said.
Why on earth would a GM trade a guy who IS producing for a guy who ISN’T producing?
There are reasons, certainly. Maybe the Flyers trade Carter for a UFA at the end of the year. But that would, in my opinion, be a horrible trade.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on the players involved.
Generally speaking, you’re absolutely right. However, it’s a little different when you involve someone like Carter. He will produce again, definitely. He’s got talent out the wazoo. Any number of GMs would love to have him.
Who you get in return is the 5 million dollar question…
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by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, thats what I’m saying.
Any team in contention isn’t going to trade for Carter and hope he regains his form. The only way you trade carter for a scorer is to a team out of contention, because they want him for the future. And hence will give you back present considerations.
Such a deal would pretty much doom this franchise for the next six years.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People trade for potential all of the time. GMs would be trading for that 46 goal scorer from a year ago who is mixed up in a struggling franchise.
by M from Pdaddy on Dec 11, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus christ…
Did you even read the conversation?
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Why on earth would a GM trade a guy who IS producing for a guy who ISN’T producing?” What part of that conversation did I friggin’ miss?
by M from Pdaddy on Dec 11, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The whole point. That they would do that because they are winning out in the long term. Which the Flyers are already weak at, hence making it a terrible deal for the Flyers.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade
@ mario D – get rid of Hartnell and his lack of production and Danny before we start paying him to be out of the lineup again and you’ll have yourself some nice cap space. You like Briere that’s fine, but he’s going to get hurt again, he’s just too fragile of a player, i dont know how you cant see that. This would be the perfect time to trade him. This team isnt winning a cup with him or Hartnell, im sorry its not happening. We need to retool a bit and lose the overpaid veterans.
If we give up anything significant for just a temporary goalie replacement……….
As far trading in general – If i hear Carter or Giroux’s named mention in a trade I will lose it as well.
Keep:
Richards
Carter
Giroux
JVR
Pyorala
Betts
Laps
and the defense
Everyone else, unload as fast as possible, get capspace and try again cuz the lines arent working as is. Trade Briere before his next inevitable groin injury, get him and Fartsmell off the team NOW. Maybe we can fool another team into taking their ridiculous contracts.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why you hate Hartnell so much is a mystery to me. He does stupid stuff but he works hard.
Briere has a no-trade clause.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I don’t think the Flyers will deal for a goalie unless they deem it absolutely necessary. By “absolutely necessary” I mean that one of the following would happen:
1. Emery would not recover enough to be effective.
2. Boucher would get hurt.
3. Backlund would blow goats.
I don’t expect any trades for goaltending unless one of those three scenarios pops up.
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by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hartnell for carkner
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Exactly. The best medicine for this team is strading a 30 goal scoring winger (a position they are sorely deficient at) for a third pairing defenseman with a discipline problem who scores at a pace of 15 points per season. Awesome idea!
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
keep powe too mario D
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They won’t have a choice in that matter. Any team offered Darryl Powe will be laughing out loud long after Holmgren hangs up the phone in frustration.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do any of the 15 people voting to just wait until Gagne gets back follow this team?
Gagne has never returned from an injury without playing horrible, tentative hockey for a minimum of a month. Occassionally, he’s played tentatively for entire seasons because of a previous injury.
The idea that he’ll return and start lighting up the scoreboard is ludicrous.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, you’re right. (Hey, we agree on something!) Gagne never lights it up right after he returns from an injury. We have to make a deal.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mikefive hartnell has poor skill set he is overpayed. Powe is better than hartnell. hartnell is a poor passer a poor decision maker
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy.
I like Darroll Powe. I really do. Is he better than Hartnell? No. Not at all.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gagne
@mario D
we certainly agree on that.
It’s not that I hate Hartnell so much, it’s just he’s only getting older and his contract isnt worth it.
I just dont see Hartnell or Briere helping us win in the future. In like 2 years neither will be worht anything. How many more seasons do we hold onto them, until they retire? Unitl they’re not worht anything to trade. Trade them now and get something for them.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Scott Hartnell is 27. He’ll be 28 in April.
Mark Recchi is still playing at 42.
Hartnell is not “getting older.”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Briere is 32. At the ripe old age of 34 he’ll apparently be worth nothing.
Hey, someone remind me, how old is Chris Pronger??
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goddamn, this city has a short memory. Briere single-handedly won a playoff series in 2008 and he sucks, but Upshall scores a few meaningless goals here or there, cries in the airport and he’s a fricken hero.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to go cry at the airport now. Maybe I’ll get a key to the city.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If that doesn’t work, try slamming your face into a fence. They’ll erect a statue in your honor.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if I do both?
But just to be tough, I’ll cry at the airport BEFORE I slam my face into a fence.
Then, after a stint in Glendale, I will sign a contract with the San Francisco Giants.
Then – only then – will they discover that I cannot play baseball.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or realize that you just had a career year and the team knew exactly what it was doing when it let some other team overpay you.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Make sure that when you ultimately return to Philly, before the first game, you kneel down and kiss mid-court/center ice/home plate/the logo.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of 2008...
… it would be awesome if we could somehow get Umberger back.
Watch the highlights of our series against Montreal and you’ll agree. It’s not only that he scored 8 goals; his positive energy and attitude were infectious.
That’s what we need on this team right now.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Umberger was a big loss. We never would have been able to pay him, though.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As defender of all things Upshall, I feel obliged to point out that Upshall scored a game tying goal in Game 7 against the Caps, the series winning goal in Game 5 against the Canadiens, and at least one other one to boot during that playoffs.
Briere was awful in 08-09, but I have absolutely no problems with him this year (except for a few too many dumb penalties).
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 11, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Upshall, too, but the man love he gets is a little ridiculous.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 11, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I vote yes, and if we’re going to tank the season anyway, it might as well be Carter. I think this team needs a major overhaul and a defensive piece and a few picks would be a nice way to start.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
briere is good but like gagne in many ways (inj prone). they are players you want on the ice.
I don’t see how Carter gets away with no criticism. he needs to be more consistant with his effort. Richards powe giroux betts carcillo give it all they have every shift Carter hartnell briere take shifts off
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Carter.
Hartnell does stupid stuff – as does Briere, to a lesser extent – but neither of them take shifts off.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ship carter, as they’ve been trying to do for a few seasons
by jnurk17 on Dec 11, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hartnell spend some shifts talking with players on the other team that appear to be ignoring him he looks stupid and he looks for stupid things to do when he gets into the action like giving the puck away
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I heard some talk before about Colby Armstrong or a Manny Malholtra….probably could work out a deal with one of them without giving too much up….not sure how much help in scoring they would be tho…need a Homer or another Knuble-type player, gets dirty in the trenches in front of the net.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hartnell for Upshall straight up
You get a solid 3rd liner in Upshall. And you get a better 2nd liner in Giroux – but we already have Giroux. Yes we do, but he doesnt play on the top 2 lines because Hartnell clogs up space, thats all he does now.
The production you’d get out of Upshall and Giroux playing on the top 2 lines where belongs exceeds the production of Hartnell on the top 2 lines, and Giroux sitting on a 4th line with Asham.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
clarifying
Upshall playing on a 3rd line and Giroux playing on one of the top 2 lines. just to be clear on what i meant.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You do know that hockey is the game that they play on ice, right?
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
upshall is a checker not a scorer. Hartnell was supposed to be a power forward but turned out to be the same numbskull he has allways been he doesn’t learn and probably never will
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Upshall puts up enough points for a 3rd line scorer.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
@asmillvictory31
Briere for Bobby Ryan, straight up.
Hartnell for Upshall straight up
first line : richards, JVR, pyorala
2nd line: carter: giroux, bobby ryan
3rd line: Upshall and?
4th line: Carcillo-Betts-Laps
boom. it’d be a start. No more hartnell antics, no more briere’s groin. That 2nd line would be nice.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ryan is not for sale lol
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only it wasn’t 100% IMPOSSIBLE. Briere has a no movement clause and that deal would put Anaheim five million dollars over the cap.
Not to mention you just traded the team’s best player and a second line winger, both under contract for years to come, for a third line winger and a second line winger, both of whom’s contracts end this season.
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by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carter
The only way someone is going to take a chance on a former goal scoring machine (ala Cheechoo) is in a packaged deal or for another player that has hit the scoring wall this season. Sort of like the Ladd for Ruutu deal a couple years ago. I think it was Ladd, anyway.
Deller
by diznella on Dec 11, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
carter has a great shot he just does not play with energy
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeh i know it’s just wishful thinking that we could teams into taking hartnell and briere’s contracts off our hands while getting good players in return. my bad.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah you meant Carter.
How about we try Carter and Giroux together? Instead of trading either. I think it would work out.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great shots are only good when they hit the net.
Deller
by diznella on Dec 11, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If people want to get rid of Carter
Why not try to package a deal to get Ilya Kovalchuk to Philly….instant offense just add bully. I doubt they would take such a deal but worth a shot…right?
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if atlanta was not in playoff picture
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
carter for kovi would be a deal
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
kovi’s contract runs up after this season
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that does put a damper on things.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That packaged deal would need to include a top player or two and draft picks. We don’t have the picks.
Deller
by diznella on Dec 11, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1) Atlanta is a playoff team and that franchise can’t afford to give that up.
2) He’s a UFA at the end of the season so you’d have nothing to show for the trade six months from now.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Carter, put Giroux on the line. Hartnell on the top 2 lines isnt working, Carter has shown he has an ability to score a lot more than Hartnell, can Hartnell’s ass, not Carter’s.
Carter and Giroux together, make it happen. I’m sick of Giroux playing with Asham and Powe
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah Giroux is such a good playmaker, need the hands to finish off his work….
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
giroux is playing with richie the last 2 games
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hartnell had a Career year last year. He is struggling this year because EVERYONE is struggling. Last year he played with Carter and Lupul almost every single shift. This year his (and the whole teams’) linemates have changed by the period.
Hartnell will find his groove once the team finds its’ groove. Hartnell, Richie and Briere are the only players that crash the net. We need him.
by SanDiegoScraps on Dec 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it was far from an aberration of a season last year.
His last four seasons goals and assists:
25, 23
22, 17 (in only 64 games)
24, 19
30, 30
He’s on pace for 29 goals and 34 assists this season, slightly better than last season’s numbers.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right...
I am saying that we need goal scoring, and Hartnell is likely to equal or better his best seasons’ numbers this year, even though the team is struggling. Essentially, I am saying that trading Hartnell does not help solve the problems that this team is facing right now.
by SanDiegoScraps on Dec 11, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah yeah, I’m agreeing with you. Just pointing out that you actually undersold your argument.
It seemed like you were saying that last year was his ceiling, calling it a “career year” when in fact he’s actually on pace for even better numbers this season.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
@ james
Giroux and Carter. let’s try it.
Richards-Pyro-JVR
i liked that line when it was together.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what about Homer?
says that he is a free agent after this season, maybe Detroit struggling could be the motivation needed to leave Mo-town and come to Philly….big body in front of net solved…
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You mean Holmstrom?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes sir.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if the info is right and he is a free agent next season, another player that couldn’t hurt to look at….
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine he does.
Holmstrom has less goals and assists than Hartnell this year and is a UFA at the end of the season.
Brilliant plan!
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but Detroit isn’t the same Detroit last year…and actually he was starting to heat up in the points category not too long ago, I think we need a guy in front of the net and I know he is a guy that likes to get in there…might be something to look at. just saying.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I checked…Homer got more goals then Harts…and I think the topic of all this, at least, the underlying point of it all…is how do we get more scoring? Well Homer scores more then Harts so that would be a start…
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
anybody know when hartnells contract expires
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
unless its tomorrow, not soon enough
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Dec 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only there was some place on the internet to find such information!
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hartnell signed a six year contract in 07/08
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hate the threads or the people on them???
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hate people, but I do hate some of the ridiculous conversation that arises.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its the people, not the topic.
These idiots came out of the woodwork today and have only taken away from the conversation.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well I’m just going to say that I’m in the convo because I’m a concerned fan. I don’t think we should trade away every player in hopes to correct this problem, I think maybe a move here and then a move there and see whats happens would be sufficient…this team has got talent so scrambling things up completely I don’t think will help…
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree. Trade one, maybe two guys tops. Otherwise you’re looking at a team having to learn to gel all over rather than a team adjusting to a couple new faces. We’re not a bad team. We just need a little shakeup since nothing else has worked so far.
by Kanayd on Dec 11, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, they’re a juggernaut. Absolutely. Wouldn’t want to disrupt the chemistry of a team with four points in its last eleven games.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean your conversation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by M from Pdaddy on Dec 11, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry if I hurt your feelings not getting into yours….apologies.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not you PhillyPhan the fun police Mario.
by M from Pdaddy on Dec 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know!
Briere for Roy Halladay, straight up.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You know Briere will never waive his NTC to go to Toronto.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I disagree. But maybe they could trade Brian Boucher, he’s really proved himself, for Giguere and Bobby Ryan. Problem solved!
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget to get our first round pick back in that trade. Giggy, Ryan and a first round pick for Boucher. Let’s do it!
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And then step two is to trade Rathje for Phaneuf and Iginla. That’s Flyers Hockey!
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if somehow you can get Donald Brashear back, the city will go nuts.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way dude. Why would they trade with the Rangers??? THEY’RE OUR ENEMY!! YOU DON’T HELP YOUR ENEMY GET STRONGER!!!!!
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We won’t, because we’ll trade Cote for Brashear straight up. LOL
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
carter, Coburn, and Hartnell should be the 3 to move.
They are the 3 players I think have the most value. I would love a to trade all three for kovy, then we could sign him to a deal after the season.
by JpH89 on Dec 11, 2009 1:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Jesus christmas…
You want to give up 2 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks, 2 3rd rounds picks and the 4th highest scorer on this team for a guy under contract for five months.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well what would you do? You got to have an idea what you would do if you were GM…a seen a few decent ideas and you shoot them down so you must have something on your mind…I might have missed it in an earlier convo but I am curious.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
@PhillyPan, What he does is tell everyone on this post that they are idiots the whole time. Carry on Mario.
by M from Pdaddy on Dec 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not speculate wildly when I have no concept whatsoever of what is going on.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but just cause we are talking about it doesn’t mean we are going to go right out and do it….it’s just talk. I don’t honestly think Philly will get Ilya but it is a nice thought to cross your mind what could happen if it did…
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, I agree, lets not go crazy trying to trade people but maybe a small move wouldn’t be a bad one….
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
Philadelphia Flyers / Columbus Blue Jackets, 'nuff said.
by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guarantee you holmgren has looked for every way possible to move hartnell and he probably can’t
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
briere is overpaid but he plays great when he is on the ice
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Which, post the lockout, is 78% of the time.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone did a numbers comparison and the conclusion was basically that Briere is being paid probably pretty much what he deserves and it’s others who are underpaid, considering their years of service and abilities. It’s not Briere’s fault that the Flyers paid him accordingly and that the cap/league are such an issue. He was being paid dirt when he was in Buffalo. It’s how FA works.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hartnell is signed for three more years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations on catching up with news from the summer of 2007!
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you didn’t know how long his contract was smart a$$
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by James Rentschler on Dec 11, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I like the idea of bring Holmstrom here…he plays in front of the net, big body, physical. I think he could open things up not just for himself but the players around him, creating screens and just using size to his advantage. I think you could work a deal out for him esp. if they are really thinking of moving Hartnell or Coburn or Carter or whoever….we need presence in front of the net and he would be an excellent candidate because that is what he does.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holmstrom is a billion years old at 36 and his contract is up next year.
by chrislanci on Dec 11, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just thinking of net presence….I’m sure there are better players that would be worth more to put under contract then Homer but I am pretty confident that a big player in front of the net is something we are lacking and would benefit from getting someone to get into that area. That is all I am getting at.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carter has 11 goals and is on pace for 31 goals, if he keeps up this slow pace 31 goals is not horrible but not great for Carter but his pace will pick up and he will be close to 40 for sure.. 3 shutouts in 6 games another Boucher GAA is below 2.50 goaltending is not the issue here.
We need a net presence. Losing Mike Knuble and trying to bring up Jones were Homers two biggest mistakes if they would have just send Jones down from the get go they could have resigned Knuble in August. I don’t think we need to trade Carter to do so moving Coburn is a better option he isn’t playing great and contract is up.
by chrislanci on Dec 11, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Of course. Thats all this thread was missing.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you are still campaigning for Carter for Giguere still after shutout???
by chrislanci on Dec 11, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you could work a deal out for him
Sam Carchidi, is that you?
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it’s hard to respond if I don’t know what you are trying to insult me with….but whatever….you got the hockey stick up your ass not me….
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, by all means, don’t let this be the post where a lack of knowledge stops you.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it is easier to just sit back and insult people then say something that can torn apart by better people then you, buddy.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like this “get the solution from the Phantoms” idea no one is talking about (or voting for). Can we at least agree that swapping Nodl out for someone else is a no-risk, high-reward move that should be done ASAP?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 11, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, no clue why you are so critical of Nodl.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nodl brings less than zero to the offense of this team.
by chrislanci on Dec 11, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nodl plays very big for his size and plays on the PK. He’s a fourth liner playing with two other fourth liners and they havn’t cost us anything… whats so wrong with that?
by orangeandblack20 on Dec 11, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These are the event summary’s for this week:
He hasn’t been charged with a giveaway all week, he’s got a couple hits for whatever thats worth… and in the last two games he’s had nearly four minutes of PK time and looking at game summary’s I don’t believe he out there for a PP goal against.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a solid defensive player no doubt but we need some scoring, Nodl and Pyorala are pretty much the same guy, Pyorala might be better at scoring at more versatile able to play any position up front.
by chrislanci on Dec 11, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that he’s been an effective penalty killer. But how many “defensive fowards” and penalty killers do we need on a team that isn’t scoring?
If that’s what he’s best at, why not bring up Jason Ward? He’s the only member of the Phantoms with a positive plus/minus – yes, the ONLY – and yet he has 10 points in 16 games in the AHL to Nodl’s 4 points in 16 games. Ward’s last season in the NHL saw him get nearly 2 minutes of SH time per game, so everything Nodl does, Ward does better. Veteran presence, had 19/48 giveaway-takeaway ratio that year, and led his team in blocked shots.
Basically, Nodl isn’t better than a replacement player, as evidenced by his -0.2 GVT thru Decemer 6th.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 11, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Nodl IS a replacement player. If he was better than a replacement player, he would’ve been on this team before they suffered so many injuries.
I don’t really care if they give Jason Ward a shot or not. But Nodl has neither done anything special or anything bad.
You say
But how many "defensive fowards" and penalty killers do we need on a team that isn’t scoring?
so I can only assume you haven’t noticed that the Flyers have the 25th (or whatever) ranked PK in the league right now. So I’d say adding guys to help the PK is a step forward for this team.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So why not swap a replacement player out for a BETTER replacement player?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 11, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, “I don’t really care if they give Jason Ward a shot or not.” If they made that move, I’d wait to see how it played out.
But there is a sentiment that Nodl doesn’t belong on the team et al. which I disagree with. He’s got a role on the team and he’s certainly performed adequately in that role.
They’ve got three forwards from the PK unit missing in Gagne, Betts, and Powe. They had to call up at least one guy capable of taking PK time, and since Nodl seems to be working on that unit, there’s no urgent need to rock the boat, either.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, people, a general reminder to please take your frustrations out on the Flyers, not each other…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 11, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I prefer snark to hostility as a means to combat my frustration. And there’s never a need to get personal.
by doubleh on Dec 11, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey I apologize to anyone offended but MarioD has it coming, can’t insult everyone and not expect a negative reaction…that’s just….stupid.
Skip the Pitt, Move on down to Broad Street....
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tkachuk?
Could we land Tkachuk a RW power forward playing out the strings on a non-playoff team. Might not cost much Cap number is not too high?
by chrislanci on Dec 11, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well couldn’t you make an age argument towards Tkachuk too? Not saying I wouldn’t mind but…
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by PhillyPhan85 on Dec 11, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I could but Detroit is still competing for the cup and Holmstrom would cost more and unlikely to leave the city were he play for 13 years winning multiple cups.
by chrislanci on Dec 11, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hejduk ?
Another scoring RW not as old not sure COL would want to deal him. I don’t want to make a trade just to make a trade a trade and shake things up it would have to be a carefully executed move.
by chrislanci on Dec 11, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PHI Gives:
Carter – 5 Mil (11-14-25) -3
Coburn – 1.4 Mil (4-7-11) -4
EDM Gives:
Penner – 4.25 Mil (17-15-32) +9
Smid – 1.2 Mil (1-8-9) +12
PHI gets a little more production, but with better defensive play, and frees up about 1 Mil cap room.
EDM gets a top 2 Center who can play on PP/PK, another Dman who can add some points.
by bfrank27 on Dec 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As G.M. of the Edmonton Oilers, I’d make that trade in a heartbeat.
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by Jonathan Willis on Dec 11, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No shit you would.
You’d get two of the three best players in the deal, and six of the nine draft picks. And be alleviated of Lowe’s GM blunder in Penner’s silly contract.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the deal with Smid?
Is he the Joffrey Lupul of defensemen? Why is his name always bandied about?
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by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would stop cheering for the Flyers if they made that move.
by blackandorange on Dec 11, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How much for Jagr, Forsberg, and hey, lets bring back Patric Roy. Sign um all for 300K to fit right in our 1 million and roll from there!
by orangeandblack20 on Dec 11, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Perfection.
Someone delete this post and lock the thread. No one can more perfectly and acccurately wrap it up than edbro right there.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we all can understand that my sarcastic remark was a mirror image of some of the non-sarcastic silliness that has been going on in this thread.
by orangeandblack20 on Dec 11, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. And it being taken seriously is what made that two part exchange so perfect.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love having MarioD on my side!
by orangeandblack20 on Dec 11, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
off topic
the site has excellent traffic and routine posters, but some of these comment threads are getting arduous to wade through, especially the game threads. little of it seems of value to come back and read over, maybe a chat room for game threads might function better?
150 comments in a 5 hour period over story with vague trade information is great as a sign of active readership, but awful if you want to really sit down and have some substantive discussion. maybe a forum system might help?
don’t get me wrong, i like coming here, maybe no one agrees with it. just something i’ve been thinking about as the site has seemed to really grow and commenting has skyrocketed.
by beatniche on Dec 11, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on some points, but the keyboard shortcuts make everything A LOT easier. They’re listed at the top of the comments, but just hit the Z key and it jumps to the next comment. Keep hitting Z and it marks each comment as read. If you don’t want to read one, just skip over it.
With the way conversations are threaded — another reason people NEED to use the reply button — it makes things quite easy. In a forum system, things get confusion when replying to one another because comments in one conversation amidst one thread are all mixed together.
I agreed with you when I first started reading here at SBN, but I’ve been sold on this system. If you use those keyboard shortcuts, it’s so much more superior to a forum system.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 11, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keyboard shortcuts are the best. Cannot believe it took me nearly a month to figure it out at first.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 11, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for that, i dont’ feel like the only fool that failed to use them.
not that you are a fool…..
by beatniche on Dec 11, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, of course not. I just never read instructions.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 11, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll make use of them. i’ve noticed the control z popup when new posts come in, but never bothered to utilize them. i’ll take advantage and see how that goes. i agree about forums also being hard to follow, specifically replies. you have a lot of branching off on specific topics, and i do think this system is much more capable of handling that.
i still think the game threads struggle with it though. logging on and finding a thread has 250 comments half way through, most of which are one liners (funny ones, mind you), it seems more like a very active chat room and less discussion. perhaps it will feel less so with the controls.
thanks for the tip and response.
by beatniche on Dec 11, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/pages/commenting-tips
Sums up everything in a lot of detail, might be of more help as well.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 11, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We wont get kovy, I wish seeing as I just signed him in my NHL 10 be a GM mode by trading away Gagne but w/e. Honestly, please please please get rid of SImon Gagne. I love the guy but he is always hurt and he really doesn’t have that much of an offensive upside anymore (1 goal in 9 games, 5 points all together). Also, send Cote down for the rest of ETERNITY! Why do we need another goon? Seriously what does this guy do for this team that Lappy and Asham don’t? Bring up Matsumoto and Ward and see how that goes. Maroon might help too.
Trade wise, I’m hearing a lot about LA, ANA, and TOR. The Kings have been shoping Alexander Frolov seeing as he is Jeff Carter’s Russian clone. The Ducks have yet to resign Bobby Ryan and contract negotiations have stopped so he could possibly come here. Toronto is reportedly shopping Tomas Kaberle but he has to waive his no trade clause first. This wouldnt really help offensively, but he is a great defenseman and defense always helps. Maybe we could also get Ryan Malone from Tampa. He has 16 goals and 11 points in 30 games. I would think that Coburn is the odd man out in all of this. I really don’t see the Flyers moving Carter seeing as they are trying to build around him and Richards. Coburn is an RFA this summer anyway so we might as well trade him before we lose him.
The Holmstrom thing could be really good if we can come up with the money.
Flyers 2010 RFA’s (curtousy of sportscity.com)
Braydon Coburn D 24 $1,400,000
Daniel Carcillo L 24 $938,000
Ryan Parent D 22 $765,000
Darroll Powe C 24 $532,000
Josh Beaulieu L 22 $515,000
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen D 25 TBA
so good bye Dan Carcillo and more than likely Braydon Coburn. We should probably resign Ryan Parent though.
http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2010-nhl-restricted-free-agents-by-team/
by flyers29 on Dec 11, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Would love to get rid of Gagne, but it is not going to happen. He has a bad health record and a big payday. You just have to pray he gets into the line up and ride it out. Carter is a frustrating player he plays to soft and doesn’t seem to really bust it. I think he is the best trade bait for real change. But you only pull the Carter card for a serious trade not a 40 year old retread.
by M from Pdaddy on Dec 11, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes i do. it stands for restricted free agent which means that a players team has the option to resign him. if another team attempts to sign him then the player’s team is forced to match the offer in order to keep that player. remember the whole dustin penner thing from anaheim to edmonton where penner got 4.25 mill which was an over the top offer.
by flyers29 on Dec 11, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No you don’t.
Anaheim didn’t just lose Penner. They got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft selection from Anaheim in return. They turned out to be 12th, 42nd, and 72nd overall.
You know who got drafted with that 12th selection? Current Calder candidate Tyler Myers.
And that’s why the Flyers won’t just “dump” Coburn.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i knew you got something in return (Phil Kessel last year), but I forgot what specifically. I really don’t see the Flyer’s keeping him and Carcillo anyway seeing as they are both killing them this year.
As for Tyler Myers, you do mean the one in Buffalo? You talk about Anaheim but he was drafter 12th by Buffalo in 08. I guess i’m missing a trade or something, but the wording was a little confusing there.
by flyers29 on Dec 11, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that selection went from Edmonton to Anaheim to Los Angeles to Buffalo.
The compensatory picks are based upon the value of the contract the RFA ultimately signs, the number is the cap hit:
Amount
Compensation Due
$863,156 or less None
$863,156 – $1,307,812 3rd round pick
$1,307,812 – $2,615,625 2nd round pick
$2,615,623 – $3,923,437 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,923,437 – $5,231,249 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,231,249 – $6,539,062 Two 1st’s, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,539,062 or more Four 1st round picks
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good breakdown. So Coburn already make 1.4 mill so he’ll probably get between 1.3 and 2.6 and we’d get a second round pick in return. Carcillo makes 900k+ so we could a 3rd round pick for a guy that always kills us. thanks for clearing that up.
by flyers29 on Dec 11, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s way too early to speculate on contracts next offseason. If he was RFA last year, he’d’ve been like the 10th best Dman available. (Boumeister, Pronger, Kaberle, Niedermayer, etc.).
Next season is a much shallower defensemen pool. That list is not updated (Pronger is still on it).
But there’s a noticeable lack of talented young dmen. There’s no Campbell or Boumeister. Coburn is unquestionably the best RFA dman available next summer.
The UFA dmen are all much older (Lindstrom, Gonchar, Foote).
Its a very strong player’s market for Dmen next summer.
by MarioD on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good point Mario. I didnt check too much into RFA defensemen, but I did know that a lot of older Dmen will be available. If I remember correctly Jack Johnson from LA might be an RFA but I think they are in the process of working out a deal or have one done but it has not been updated on line. Also, the Pens are trying to lock up Gonchar now seeing as he wants to stay there for the rest of his career and you know Lindstrom wont leave Detroit.
by flyers29 on Dec 11, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just the man crush speaking, but I would be ecstatic if we could get Frolov, especially if all it took was Coburn.
by JpH89 on Dec 11, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be good, the only problem is that it wouldn’t happen with their salaries. Coburn makes 1.4 mill and Frolov makes 4 mill (according to Yahoo! Sports). It would give us more scoring though and better lines such as:
1. Frolov/Richards/Hartnell
2. JVR/Carter/ Giroux
3. Pyrolla/Brierre/Gagne (Whenever he gets back)
4. Asham/Betts (Again, when he gets back)/Lappy.
Defense would then be
1. Pronger/Carle
2. Timonen/Parent
3. Bartulis/Tollefsen
One more thing. LA goalie John Quick is an RFA this summer and he’s looked pretty good this entire season. He could possibly be a good pick up seeing as he is young, wouldn’t cost that much, and has played well with a less than stellar d in front of him.
by flyers29 on Dec 11, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Deadline
The trade deadline could be very interesting for this team. If they continue on this slump and it looks like the Playoffs are out the window the Flyers could become real sellers. And if the season plays out that way it isn’t out of line to consider this team in rebuild mode. You might even consider moves like unloading Hartnell, Timmonen and Carter. They need to build this team up through the middle starting from goal outward. Giguere, Betts, Richards, Giroux and Briere. Only reason why I say Briere is he is stuck here and when healthy very productive, First center. Giroux has to play center, he is second. Richards is the all purpose man PK, PP and top shut down center like Jordan Staal. Richards is getting burnt out on all the special teams and top two line assignments. Betts is the best fourth option. We then need wingers with unloaded money.
by M from Pdaddy on Dec 11, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about a trade with St. Louis? They are desperate to get scoring and we have players with scoring potential … nevermind that they are not living up to it.
by memphisbrando on Dec 11, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We are also desperate to get scoring, though.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 11, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d personally pay good money to watch a JVR (the non-having-hit-a-wall version)-Giroux-Ryan line. That’s a line that, barring concussions and that whole salary cap thing, could be effective for a good ten years. In other words, it’ll be fun for a few games, then Ryan will have his “bell rung” and never be the same player. But those few games…
by Ben Feldman on Dec 11, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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