Game 32, Preview and Open Thread: Battle of PA II, Philadelphia Flyers at Pittsburgh Penguins
by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 5:38 PM EST
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#10 Philadelphia Flyers (15-15-1, 31 pts) at #4 Pittsburgh Penguins (22-10-1, 45 pts)
Wachovia Center - 7:00 PM ET - Philadelphia, PA
TV: Versus HD, TSN 2 HD, RDS HD
Radio: 610 WIP (internet stream), XM 204
This is the open game thread.
Behind Enemy Lines: Pensburgh
After getting somewhat of a monkey off of their backs last night, the Flyers have no time to rest as they head to Pittsburgh to take on the hated Penguins. While last night was just one game, the orange and black put together a strong performance, and you could tell that they were relieved and happy with their effort. It's baby steps to be sure, but now they need to take another one.
If there is any team to test their new-found mettle, it's their kryptonite from across the state.
The effort from the Flyers last night was great, but it would be a psychological coup if they could beat the Pens in their building tonight, and a huge boost to everybody in the Philadelphia locker room. Peter Laviolette even seemed happy for the first time in his Flyer tenure after the game.
"I was really glad to see us respond the way we did in the third period. I thought we really played a terrific period from start to finish. I thought we skated, I thought we possessed the puck, I thought we shot and looked for offense, we didn't sit back when we got the goal. It's what we needed."
They'll have to do the exact same thing tonight in order to get a win.
For the first time seemingly all season, the Penguins are completely healthy. Resident Flyer killer Sidney Crosby is red hot coming into this one, and the top pairing of Chris Pronger and Matt Carle will have to have an excellent game to keep him from doing damage.
Pittsburgh is also well rested, as tonight is just their third game in the last eight days. The Flyers, on the other hand, have been extremely busy lately. Tonight is their seventh game in 13 days.
Braydon Coburn will be back in the Flyers lineup tonight after sitting for a game with an ankle injury. After the jump, line combinations, starting goaltenders, questions to answer, and our in-game open thread.
Flyers Line Combinations
Carcillo - Richards - Carter
Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
JVR - Pyorala - Asham
Nodl or Cote - Kalinski - Laperriere
Carle - Pronger
Timonen - Parent
Coburn - Bartulis
Starting Goaltenders
Questions To Answer
- Is there any carry over from the Scott Hartnell biting/Kris Letang whining incident that happened when these two teams met back in October?
- Can the Flyers keep the intensity up from last night in Boston?
- Is Braydon Coburn still injured, and are the Flyers rushing him back so Danny Syvret doesn't see the ice?
- Power play... yay or nay?
- The Pens PP has been struggling, but they've revamped it. How's the Flyers PK respond?
Tonight's game will be broadcast on Versus in the United States and on TSN 2 in Canada. RDS for the Francophones. Listen with the hometown guys at 610 WIP, and as always, join us here for the discussion. Crosby sucks. LET'S GO FLYERS!
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Wow. Boosh has a better GAA and S% than Fleury, yet Boucher wins 33% of his games while Fleury wins 67%. Interesting.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions
On one of the fan posts today I read that Coburn had been on the ice for 44 of the 86 goals against, or something like that. Is that too different from other second pair defense?
I haven’t seen many games this season so I don’t know what he looks like but I hear he is playing badly.
44 of 87, to be exact. In his defense, so has Kimmo. Also, 15 of those were scored on the PP (17 of Kimmo’s).
44 goals against ties them for 7th most among NHL defenseman. One through six are: Scott Niedermayer, Francois Beauchemin, Jack Johnson, Jordan Leopold, Roman Hamrlik, and Keith Ballard.
Percentage wise, Kimmo and Braydon were on the ice for 50.57% of their teams goals. Not exactly sure how that compares to other second pairings, but not many were on the ice for above 50%. Dan Boyle and Kevin Bieksa (9th and 12th most GA) were one goal shy of splitting 50%. That’s all I found.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
I found all of that at NHL.com
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I’m worried/interested with how Coburn will play. He clearly has not been playing to his potential the past few games. If he is injured and likely having to play the Malkin line with Kimmo, is he just going to be a liability out there or can he step up and put in a solid game?
by Flyers and Terriers on Dec 15, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions
Report from Pittsburgh: Malkin playing the point on the Penguins PP. Not sure if that has been the reason for thier PP’s recent resurgence though. Either way, the Flyers MUST stay out of the box. Even if the Penguins PP is struggling they will somehow end up catching fire against us.
Also, via Seravalli:
Coburn told us earlier that he had a cyst that burst in his ankle – which caused it to swell – and not a high ankle sprain as thought.
So Coburn is paired with Bartulis tonight.
Does that mean he’s not fully healthy, or do they just want to keep Parent with Timonen?
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The Flyers beat conspiracy theory du jour seems to be that he’s not fully healthy. Panotch is on board. Never question the wisdom of Panotch.
I’d believe either scenario, really. I can totally understand not wanting to play Syvret.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think its because Kimmo and Parent played really well together last night. Maybe Laviolette is starting to find things that seem to click—Timmonen Parent pairing and Carter at the wing with Richards.
by Flyers and Terriers on Dec 15, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Versus games because the puck doesn’t drop until 10 minutes after it should.
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Exactly. Consider 7:00 a 7:30 start.
On that note, hello friends. So I hear Hartnell’s wife is the talk of the town, huh?
I kid. I kid…
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Hartnell’s wife should be the talk of the town at all times, regardless of rumors. She’s easy on the eyes.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I’ve seen a pic or two. She could do better.
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I'll agree
but it’s one of the few times I’ll get to watch them this season.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Haha, Pens fans booed because one of their players skated into Bartulis and fell over.
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Ah, crap. PK time.
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Wow, I didn’t know their PP was THAT bad. 29th in the league…
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Yeah, sorry about that
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand why the NBA would move another team to Seattle when they just moved the Sonics to Oklahoma City a few years ago?
And how can New York support 3 basketball teams?
the team in Seattle moved, in large part, due to owners and not the city.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
What a shitty bounce.
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can’t even get mad – they get every bs bounce against us every game…
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And even if we got that bounce, Carter would miss the net
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Avoided if you don’t take the penalty, though
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we know they are going to take penalties – that’s just besides the point…
I didn’t see what the call was for – I’m guessing it wasn’t a “good” penalty (i.e., one that you aren’t mad you take)?
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
No, no it wasn’t. It was a hook, and since no one saw it, that tells me it was away from the play.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
gotta love that type of play…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh’s power play never scores. It’s a Christmas miracle
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Haha, I love how much they hate Hartnell.
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So dumb.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Drama! It sells.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
what do you expect – VS broadcast is inherently anti-Flyers despite Jonesy being in the studio…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Lovely Gamecenter ad in the middle of the screen..
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Did anyone else just notice the Versus promo that came up right in the middle of the screen? Quality broadcasting
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That was terrible.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
During last night’s Coyotes-Red Wings game on FSN Arizona they kept a text poll covering the bottom half of the screen for at least 1 minute of game time…and it was a god awful poll. They wonder why people don’t tune in for hockey in AZ?
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
WTF was that? Rupp rips Ashams helmet off, Asham falls and gets back up, then Rupp cowers protecting his face?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions
Being this is my 3rd season closely following a team with Carcillo, it wasn’t that hard…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Cote is Godard’s punching bag, historically.
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“The fight style of Cote is to stop punches…” – Mike Emrick
He forgot to add “with his face”
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hahaha, it’s less funny because you’re saying it.
But it’s so true.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t say it isn’t effective.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about effective – he’s definitely good at it…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
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Wow. So much for Lavy’s no fighting style carrying over.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions
DOWN GOES ADAMS!
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I think that was the first decisive win of the game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions
Carcillo just ripped him a new one.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Dec 15, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions
So....we still play hockey right?
I understand that’s a debatable question this season, but I mean aside from the fighting and all.
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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Six minutes, three fights, and a goal.
Weird.
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We can has goals?
I’m going out now and will have to miss the game. What the hell, it worked last week.
Let’s get ’em everyone.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Enjoy.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus, Boosh
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That was a completely blown coverage. Carter passed Guerin off to Richards, who moved over to the guy Coburn abandoned – because he’s INJURED – and Carter didn’t notice that he wasn’t doing a damn thing.
When our best players don’t play like our best players, we can’t win.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions
I didn’t really think Coburn abandoned that man, and I think Richards was trying to switch men with Coburn, which makes some sense.
But it was absolutely a blown coverage from lack of communication/understanding.
He was a good 5 or 6 feet away from the shooter, apparently trying to “block” the shot. Richards switching makes sense.
But Coburn took himself out of the play and Carter didn’t do anything other than saying “you take him.”
Definitely miscommunication, but I don’t know who I fault more: Coburn or Carter. Coburn is injured, Carter passed his man off. Either way, piss poor play.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
For the miscommunication, certainly. He left his man (Guerin), but it can’t necessarily be said to be a bad decision.
Not to pick a fight, but if Bartulis “abandoned” his man despite being within 2 feet of him, Coburn certainly “abandoned” his man by being 5 feet away from him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Totally disagree.
Bartulis abandoned his man because he wasn’t near him AND he wasn’t between his man and the goal.
Coburn isn’t on top of his man, but he’s in a direct line between his man and the net.
Totally disagree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Was just gonna say that. Real solid shift there.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Carter! ugh.
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Loving the pressure here
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Why is it that when Fleury gives up a HUGE rebound, we can’t put a stick on the puck? Richards and Briere have both missed with a wide open net, yet Crosby and Guerin both bury them.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions
I think you know the answer to that.
Gonchar did his job, the Flyers defense didn’t.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
That was a pretty solid defensive play. Gonchar may not be putting up the points lately but his D-play is pretty solid.
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Peco time
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Hot start, long slump.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
YEAH!
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Carbomb!!!!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions
scoring goals – pissing off the crowd with celebrations…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Can you ask for more?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
not in the least – love me some Carbomb!
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
That celebration was purely amazing.
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Hopefully that can be the game recap photo.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I take full credit for lighting this fire under Carcillo.
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Emrick’s call right there was awful. Completely awful.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions
I agree. I didn’t mind it, but if i were a Flyers fan I’d be annoyed. He gave it a “Yeah whatever, as I was saying” approach
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Exactly. I don’t expect you to mind it, but it just made me ask, “are you serious?” He’s the anti-Iverson: “What are we talking about? the game? I’m busy talkin about practice, and you wanna talk about the GAME??”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
heh I love that Iverson presser. Heard it mixed into a rap song once too.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
What can you expect?
I mean, the Flyers’ goal totally interrupted his story
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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
If you weren’t looking, you wouldn’t know they scored.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’m streaming it at work and had it minimized and I completely had no clue they scored until I just heard the boos from the crowd…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
it’s amazing I get any work done really…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
It was probably the worst I have ever heard.
“Blah blah blah, and Carcillo scores, but as I was saying, blah blah blah”
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 15, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna be on a conference call with Emrick tomorrow. I should totally ask him about it., but I wont.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Chico is one of my favorite flyers. He has become much more dicipline, he still throws down and now he’s playing with Richie and Carts. I hope they resign him in the offseason.
by orangeandblack20 on Dec 15, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions
Say what you want but Carcillo makes this team better. He is one of a very few players who leaves it all on the ice every night.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Dec 15, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions
this is why we loved him in Phoenix…pure heart.
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Another Peco coming up!
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Kalinski has really impressed me lately. Yeah, he’s made some mistakes, but he’s made some really good plays and shown some real good hockey intelligence.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions
I think now is a good time to let you all know that the holidays are coming up and if you don’t want to risk having to deal with the crowds, and I know JJ hates to deal with people, now is the time to get your Flyers Santa Sack! Only $99!
Great, guys. Great.
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Yeah, he let Staal get in WAY too close.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Carle made the wrong play there. He shutdown the passing lane across the slot and was up enough to discourage the drop pass.
It’s a three on one, and he forced the puck carrier to shoot. What more can you ask?
It’s yet another goal against because of a pinching defenseman leading to an odd man rush.
but he backed in SO far.
He has to take away the passing lane – and he did. But he didn’t force Staal to do anything. Staal shot that puck from (no way NHL claimed 22 ft) far too close.
While you’re correct in that it’s because of a pinching defenseman, that doesn’t explain everything. How does a team give up a 3-on-1 while on the power play? If Pronger doesn’t pinch, they still gave up an odd-man rush. That’s on the players.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
From what I’ve learnt, once the puck gets below the face off dots, a defender should make an effort to get his stick on the puck. Also, your stick should always be in a position to deflect that shot, whereas Carle was too far back for that
I couldn’t tell, but I thought the shot might’ve actually gone off of Carle’s stick and that’s why it got up so fast…
I agree that Carle started out doing the right thing, but eventually you do need to move in and take the guy off the puck…Boosh even looked like he came out to cut off the angle…bad goal, bad pinch…just get it right for next time…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
A lot to tackle here.
First off, Carle had his stick about three inches from the pck before the shot, blocking the pass. Watch the replay again. Carle nearly takes the puck off the stick, which basically does force the shot.
Second, system-wise, if Pronger is back, its a two on two through the neutral zone and the third Penguin doesn’t even jump into the rush. I understand what you’re saying, and I concur to an extent. But if Pronger just retreats from the zone, I don’t think there is a Penguins attack because Carle and Pronger can close off Staal before he gets to the blue line. As it was, Carle is skating back playing it as a 2-1 and just trying to slow down the speed of the attack so another Flyer can catch up.
I’m not sure I’m conveying that well.
How do you let that happen??? On the PP…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions
Damn, Staal roofed it. He normally shoots wide by three miles.
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So he’s your Carter?
Beautiful shot, but man. Carle would have let him skate into the net if he wanted.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, but I don’t think Staal shoots nearly as much as Carter. Or scores for that matter. But he’s really getting there on the PK
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Ok. I meant in terms of shooting wide by three miles. Carter leads the league in missed shots, 9 more than second place in two fewer games.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
……………..i don’t even know anymore……..
by Flyers and Terriers on Dec 15, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions
We’ll always have 7:38 PM, guys
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+1
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
You got a DVR? Sweet.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t my pic, haha
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha That’s now the second time I’ve seen a Pens fan giving the finger to a goal scorer. Hope that one makes it to the front page of NHL.com
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I like the one guy smiling.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Or her dad (boyfriend?) looking like Carcillo just said a bad word. tsk tsk tsk
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, sorry. can’t get excited about a guy scoring his 3rd goal of the season during his teams 1-eternity skid out of playoff contention. the team has been an embarrassment and he just came off a suspension for being a complete jackass. it might be something if carcillo’s ‘leaving it all on the ice’ and ‘giving it all he has’ meant a thing for this team, but its amounted to dick overall, quite frankly.
Hartnell cross checked in the back in front. No call.
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Every time Giroux makes a great play like that, I look at Richards and Carter and don’t see their legs moving. Makes me want to spend a week in Old City, then sign them up for Coatesy’s Corner hockey lessons.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions
That is my biggest concern about this team – Carter and Richards seeming to coast a bit. I love Richards A LOT as a player, but he falls into a tendency of coasting at times…when he is skating and getting involved (like the Islanders game), he is a HUGE difference maker…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
It’s almost like they’re watching him work his magic and expecting him to do it all
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
So, uh, this could be worse, no?
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Yes…it could be worse. I think the Flyers can still get back into this…hopefully come out of the box with a bit of jump in their skates to start the second…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, I still think we’re in it.
Fleury looks a little shaky to me.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Fleury always looks shaky to me…that’s why it is doubly annoying when he plays a ridiculous game against us like he did last year in Game 5(?) of the playoffs…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
I have to say it:
I just hate Pittsburgh so much. SO much.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, stop trying to show that other teams’ fans are mean or evil or lack class…that is ONLY something that is true of Philly fans (the MSM told me so)…
Also, you should photoshop the screen grab to show the Pens fan giving Carbomb the finger to really be giving him a thumbs up…because that’s the way it is outside of Philly…rainbows and lollipops . . .
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that’s the way it is outside of Philly…rainbows and lollipops . . .
haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
haha, your response is perfect.
RJ Umberger saving the Flyers? Wow. That’s like saying, “If only the Penguins didn’t have Mark Eaton, otherwise I’d wish their bus crashes.” Really?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
haha, Eaton is from around here, right?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Delaware, but… close enough.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
So he probably grew up a Flyers fan then. Or a Caps fan, if it was Southern Delaware.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
It’s OK, I hate Philly just as much.
Good place to take in a basketball game though.
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I’ve always wondered why the NBA isn’t in Pittsburgh.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Who needs it when you have Pitt? Seriously, they love Pitt basketball. Even I do.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
You went there though, didn’t you?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’d use the argument that we love the Big 5 and still have time for the NBA, but, well, that’s not true. I heard the Holy War at the Palestra last week had a bigger crowd than the Sixers average attendance this season.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
I was at A.I.’s first game back (rooting for the Nuggets), but that place was packed. At least 20,000. No joke.
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Oh yeah, no doubt. It sold out in about a day after we knew Iverson was coming back. You saw a total anomaly, though. The next game, it was back down to about 12,000
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
For what it’s worth, the Phillies, Eagles and Flyers sell out every game. Eventually you run out of people who can buy tickets. That hasn’t really affected the Sixers attendance, but it’s an interesting thing to have seen — Phils attendance rising as Sixers attendance falling.
Not to bring up the race card, but I’m pretty sure the Sixers and Phillies are pulling from different audiences. Phillies and Flyers for that matter.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
This is why there will not be an NBA team in Pittsburgh.
They can’t sell Pirates tickets and they can only sell Penguin tickets when the team is good. There’s no market for an NBA team there.
The next few NBA cities are going to be Seattle, Vegas, and New York.
Calling Pittsburgh a fairweather town? Why is it that people don’t understand that?
By the way, I completely agree with you. Not sure about New York though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Understand the it is a fanbase of bandwagoners?
I’ve spent a lot of time in Pittsburgh in my life. Dated a girl at Pitt when I was in college and my best friend since HS lives in Pitt now, so I think I understand the city pretty well.
Exactly. Anybody who has either lived there or known someone who has, knows how much of a bandwagon city it is. Obviously, they have diehards. I know a diehard Pirates fan who knows all their “prospects”.
But your point remains: The city abandons teams that don’t win. They aren’t a good sports town, unless they’re winning. Yet they name themselves “City of Champions” and everyone buys it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha, the thought of the Pirates having prospects made me laugh out loud.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
They do have prospects
Their front office usually just trades them as they starting to be productive, thus killing any chance that they might have a full lineup of talent for a full season.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
New York, even when the Nets move to Brooklyn?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes you baffle me.
My response to both of you is that NYC is on my list because Jay-Z may move the Nets to Brooklyn.
You made it seem like you were saying they’d get a third team.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not 100 percent up on it either, but I was under the assumption that the Russian buyer they have for the team was also an investor in the new Brooklyn arena, which pretty much made it all but a certainty.
I could be wrong, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Deal
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
I know you both stopped discussing it, but I was under the impression that they had agreed to build an arena.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Why would the NBA move a team to Seattle when they just moved the Sonics out a few years ago?
And New York, 3 basketball teams?
1) Why would the NFL put teams in Baltimore, Cleveland, and Houston under the same circumstances?
2) Nets and Knicks would be only two NYC teams.
NHL in Colorado under those circumstances, too.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I said this above (I think you replied in the wrong spot) but it wasn’t because of the city. It was because the owners basically lied to the city, which didn’t want them to leave, only to pick up and move anyway.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
The NBA won’t exist in Vegas. The nightmare of the 2007 All Star Game is enough to keep them out of town for at least another decade or so. Seattle HAD an NBA team. Why would they try and move one in again? It didn’t work once…
And New York. Meh. Whatevs.
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David Stern is already laying the groundwork to put a team in Vegas.
“So we have morphed considerably in our corporate view where we say, Look, Las Vegas is not evil. Las Vegas is a vacation and destination resort, and they have sports gambling and, in fact, there’s a federal statute that gives them a monopoly of types [on sports betting]. And we actually supported that statute back in ’92.”
The fact it’s a vacation spot is what I thought would keep a professional team out of town. Especially since Vegas is hurting for business right now too. But it’ll be interesting to see how Stern wants to handle it I guess. The fun begins.
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The ABA had a team years and years ago. Like, I think in the 50s. They were called the Pittsburgh Pipers.
With the new arena going up and talks of the NBA planning on maybe shifting a few teams or even adding a team or two, I think Pitt could get a NBA team within the next 10 years or so.
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I thought they had a short lived team in the new ABA team like, 2 years ago? The Xplosion or whatever they were called.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 15, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I get for trying to edit a sentence, that should say new ABA league…
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 15, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
You know what, I actually think you’re right. Whether it was an ABA team or an NBADL (or whatever) I feel like I remember that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Because you can sneak into the 2nd row?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t have to be sneaky..
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
this team is no fun to watch until they get their sentiment together. all considerations aside i dont want to watch, or feel for a team most simply put is simply not playing, or looks like a team, minus bostons off night last night, injury and inconsistency just has me not caring about a game i really would be juiced for even during finals.
i love jvr, every angle i see of him on the ice shows him busting his ass. props. carter and richards dont look into it half of the time unless they streaking to the net 4 times every 30 minutes, and the passes are usually off or incredible by giroux just no one expecting them.
I think they’ve looked quite into this one. If Carcillo’s celebration isn’t evidence of that…
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
They looked good in Boston last night too. They are looking strong, good pressure, high intensity, we just need to keep it up!
Oskars drawing a penalty!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions
When did we change our PP focal point from the half-wall to the point?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions
A lot of people started with the 06-07 comparisons – that’s a bit pessimistic for me. I’m feeling 05-06, the first year after the lockout. Thoughts?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:18 PM EST reply actions
Didn’t we wind up with over 100 points that year?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
But got unceremoniously bounced by the Senators in the first round. I’m pretty sure that was the series they scored 2 goals in 5 games. A lot of hype, not a lot of consistency, no real delivery on the promise.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that makes sense. Not going to be a similar regular season outcome, though. They actually lived up to the hype in the regular season that year.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
It was not the senators the year after the lockout they lost to the Sabres in 6 when they lost game 6 by like 5 or so goals
Ah, okay.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, that was ‘01-02. ’05-06 was a first round loss against Buffalo — Briere’s 2OT winner, 7-1 loss at home in game 6, etc.
I still think Geoff’s point stands, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
It certainly was weakened.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
They still didn’t show up in those playoffs.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hartnell had a pretty little move to avoid a defender there at the blueline
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Godard and Malkin are on the same line? Did I just not notice that before?
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Boosh was pissed too. (Sorry, a little late.)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
no clears, but a pretty good PK so far…Boosh making good saves, but the shots are from outside…
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Shots from the outside means the PKers are doing their jobs.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
exactly – that was what I was trying to say if I didn’t make it clear…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, no.. I was agreeing with you, haha
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I figured – we’re usually on the same wavelength…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
So, uh, Boosh was a solid pickup.
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Completely.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s a picture of Tommy Lasorda holding a ham. I figure it’s more interesting than this game.
haha, the caption.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
haha, thank you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
A goal here would be huge.
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And there’s that too…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Because it’s Mike Emrick and his primary source of income is for one of the Flyers biggest rivals?
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Back breaker
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Really good question.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously I don’t mind the outcome, but from a hockey perspective that was an incredibly stupid play on Hartnell’s part.
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Again, when our best players (Pronger this time) aren’t our best players, there’s no way we win.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions
Hartnell fed that puck for Carle to blast it on net from point blank (and proceeded to the front of the net). Richards stuck his stick in there, deflecting the pass away from both himself and Carle, who was then caught in deep because that’s where Laviolette wants him.
Pronger shutdown Crosby, the backcheckkers lost track of/miscommunicated re: Letang.
The best part is the announcer saying Hartnell should have shot. Crosby made the EXACT SAME DECISION at the other end and it resulted in the goal. I have no problem with what Hartnell chose.
I’m not sure exactly what you’re getting at, but my complaint is after the puck gets to Letang. Pronger has two Penguins behind him (including Crosby) and he’s staring at Letang. Staal swoops around while Pronger is gliding, unaware that Staal is there (or what his man, Crosby is doing). He stopped skating. He watched the puck. He didn’t guard his man. He didn’t see Boosh was way out of his net, challenging Letang. He didn’t cover the wide open net. He got beat. He got beat bad.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, okay. I wasn’t talking about that, I thought you meant for allowing that cross-slot pass to get through. Let me go back and look, I never focused on what happened after the puck got to Letang.
Oh, no. No problem there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I just pressed it.
I’ve officially switched over to completely pessimistic. I was holding firm after the Ottawa game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I question if there’s a way to fix this without jettisoning everyone except Richards, Giroux, JVR, Pyorala, Lappy, Pronger, Timonen, Bartulis if you can keep him, and one of Coburn or Carle. The amount of talent on this team is well above average, and if this doesn’t work, I worry about what it takes for a team to be above .500.
We can’t score. We give up odd-man rushes. We give up shorthanded odd man rushes. And we can’t defend.
Right there, I find fault with Pronger specifically, and at that point, what are you going to do?
This team is in serious trouble and it’s not something Gagne, Betts, or Powe can fix.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions
Wait, let me just put one thing in perspective.
As much as I dislike about this team, coming into play today the Flyers were 8th in East by PPG.
Totally meant to answer this earlier:
No idea. But I know I start actively shopping Coburn and Carter, but only in a situation where we get either picks or another RFA back.
I might even start shopping Hartnell and Gagne, but they’re too expensive and not worth as much.
But I know I definitely start calling every GM that will answer my calls.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
haha, maybe. But if I’m the three headed monster, I’m concerned with a) keeping my job (Homer); b) winning (Laviolette); and c) not appearing to give up on the season (Snider).
While you’re most likely correct, if I’m those three, I try to win now, despite the near impossibility.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Urgh so frustrating. Pucks going through the crease and off the post. Cant we catch a darn break? Of course the Penguins are with their goals
Really? How about the two different times the Penguins put the puck through the crease and miraculously not into the net?
Are you saying the Penguins are or are not catching breaks?
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, that may be true but the Penguins also have scored 4 times.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
True, but they are getting some fantastic bounces as well. Crosby’s goal, for example.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
A goal here might put this game in reach…
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Carcillo?!? AGAIN!
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Are they reviewing it because it was kicked?
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At the 18:51 mark, look at Kimmo and Pronger choose to drift back instead of pinching in on a loose puck high in the zone.
Change in system?
Yeah, that’s not a goal.
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Side note, what is Carcillo thinking with that caterpillar over his lip?
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Wants to keep it all season. Idk why.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Funny. I’m sure the Cup is a nice reminder of his failings as a player.
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Give Boucher an Academy Award there. But since he didn’t sell it I guess he just gets a nomination.
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It was a questionable call, but he definitely acted like he got shot. In that situation, I’d be fine with a two and two. Crosby certainly clipped him, Boucher clearly embellished.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Did you see the replay at 9:14 ??
There’s no question about it whatsoever. Crosby blatantly trips Boucher, Crosby’s left skate between Boucher’s feet and pulls Boucher’s right foot out from under him.
I saw it, but didn’t see a kicking motion. More of an Ovechkin “he deked and I reacted” extension.
Like I said, it was a penalty, but I don’t think it was as blatant as you suggest.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Boucher is trying to stand up, so he has all of his weight on that leg as its pulled out from under him.
But the thing that makes it blatant is that there’s no reason for Crosby to skate there. He’s skating into the net, not toward the puck. Once he trips Boucher, he has to take a hard turn to his right to get back into the play.
I just watched again. Watch the replay when Crosby is about three feet outside the crease.
You can literally see him shift his knees and cut left, directly at Boucher, instead of right to go around the net.
Yeah, I agree with you on all of that. The part I disagreed with was a “kick”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
It’s amazing that you’re obsessing over this so much. Believe it or not, you’re still not going to get the call.
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Right. Because a Philly fan can teach me about class?
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I don’t understand why you would argue it. You’re gonna think what you want and we’re gonna think the opposite, obviously.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Nice officiating on the no call on Crosby.
Saunders and Bundy are irate. “Is there a different rulebook for 87?”
Love it!
how can you not say Pen’s fan’s are fair weather frauds? They have not been in the top 15 in attendance at all in the last 5 years, and it is probably longer but that is as far back as I have seen. A few years ago they almost went bankrupt because no one would go to the games. Yet you have the Flyers who in 2010 are 3rd, 2009 4th, 2008 4th, 2007 7th and in 2006, the year they were the worst in the league…4th. Fan’s in Philly support their team no matter what. Even if they infuriate us.
That has a lot to do with Mellon Arena only holding 17k, to be fair.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
No, you are right. Being out in Pitt its as plain as day.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
And it’s really sad, IMO. The organization and the city do so much for their fans, but if the team isn’t winning, the fans don’t care. I really wish Philly did half the things well that Pittsburgh does sports wise. The Trib has incredible sports writers, amazing blogs, the Penguins show the playoffs on a big screen outside the arena, the players regularly make visits to season ticket holders, and so much more.
Yet the fans only appreciate it if the teams are winning.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you completely, the Flyers organization as a whole is not that great. The Phillies are getting there, they at least have a ton of give aways and fan events. But the Flyers and Eagles, they both need to start doing more for the fans that show up night in and night out.
Yeah. I wish I could remember more examples of what the city did, but I seem to only remember what the organization did.
I have nothing bad to say about the city. At all. Amazing city. Hate the people.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
That’s how I feel about NYC. Unbelievable city, obviously. New Yorkers? Not so much.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Right, its amazing the shift when a team isn’t doing well. Now that the Almighty Steelers are 6-7 the black and gold jerseys noticeably less existent. These are the Steelers fans that are so quick jump at the chance to yell Six-Burgh in your face. Obviously, I won’t even mention the Pirates. These fans are notoriously fair weather.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Again, no one knows that unless they aren’t from the area and spent time there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Very true. I wouldn’t say this if I didn’t live out here for half the year.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Which only makes me more mad. haha.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t mind it. It a very small consolation prize during games like this.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
even if you look at capacity %, it wasn’t until they got good that their numbers even started going up. Anyone go to a Pirates game recently? I was there last year, by far the most beautiful park in baseball. Better than CBP and I am a die hard Phillies fan. I would love to be buried at CBP but PNC Park is amazing. And yet no one goes to their games. Steelers fan’s are legit. No one can possibly argue that. Probably the best traveling fans in sports but Pen’s fans? Disgrace.
But is it a surprise that the Steelers have been good since… how long?
And while PNC is great, I don’t think it’s better than CBP. I know a lot of people who agree with you though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’d call it even, but for different reasons.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think the appeal of PNC is the area around it. It provides that traditional walk off the street to the game feel. Kinda like the old pictures of Ebbetts Field or even Yankee Stadium, although the area in Pittsburgh is a bit…uh, nicer.
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I loved walking across the Clemente bridge, then along the riverwalk to get to Heinz. Just a great experience. I’m also surprised I never fell in, but still.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, the environment is just amazing there. It’s like a downtown park that isn’t really downtown. I honestly think it is a perfect ball park.
Also, as it relates to the Flyers. I have a friend(a female) who hangs out with the Flyers pretty regularly and she brought this up to me a few weeks ago but I just read this, and it pretty much confirms what she said:
http://thephillyfour.com/2009/12/affair-has-flyers-locker-room-split/
Please don’t post that BS here.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
How is it BS?
Suppose it is true? Does that still make is BS?
The person I know has hung out with the Flyers for several years and has never had a nice thing to say about Carter.
Just because it might suck doesn’t make it any less true.
It’s a completely unsubstantiated rumor, made up by some guy with an unknown blog that can’t even list an email address or spell Briere right.
It’s BS.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody believes it?
I’m seriously at that point where I’ll believe anything. I’ll even believe that Emery is injured because Richards stabbed him in the gut after making fun of his curly hair. That’s how depressed I am.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
You think Richards would win that fight?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
haha, I didn’t say it was a fight. No way Richards wins a fight. I was imagining a prison-style shanking.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Did I ever post the story about the Wild game in Minnesota in 2007-08, sitting next to Hartnell’s mother in law?
No, but please do
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was in Minnesota for work, court the day after that game. Its early December, it was actually Downie’s NHL debut.
When I travelled, I’d only travel for a day. In this case, I flew out day of game to MSP, had to drive four hours to Alexandria, MN (basically North Dakota, judge’s office was actually in Fargo) stayed overnight, court the next day, drove back to MSP afterwards and flew back in the evening.
Night before I left, set my DVR to record the Flyers, and realized they were in Minnesota, so I called up my buddy who runs a ticket broker business, he got me a seat in the third row on the corner for like $20 or something. So I ended up making that four hour drive post-game, got to the hotel at like 3am, outside temperature when I arrived was -25F, and slept five hours (company paid like $50 an hour for my hotel room) before checking out and going to court.
I’m sitting in my seat, a bunch of empty seats around me. This middle-aged woman wanders in about 8 minutes into the game and confusedly sits down.
After a few minutes of her looking all around, she asks me, “Is this the club box level?” I explain I’m from Philly and have no idea, but I doubt it.
So a few minutes go by, and she asks to borrow my cell phone because she forgot hers in the car. I give it to her and she calls and is talking to someone about where she is supossed to be, says she’ll be there in a bit.
Gives the phone back to me, I’m wearing a Hextall jersey. Now, this is maybe two games after Hartnell has returned from that ridiculous suspension (also maybe 20 games into his Flyers tenure). So she starts subtly asking me about Hartnell, what Philly fans think of him, the suspension, etc. I’m talking a little bit, thinking this is all very strange, and watching the game at the same time.
She reveals that Hartnell is her son in law, she used my cell to call Hartnell’s wife.
There was an awesome moment when Hartnell was on the ice, and she was talking about their wedding (I believe it was Jeff Schulz, but one of the Wild Dmen at that time who had played in Nashville with Scotty was his best man) and is telling me what a good guy Hartnell is at the exact moment Hartnell charges across the O-Zone right at us and pancakes a Wild player against the glass three feet away. High comedy.
She had just been in Philly for Thanksgiving, and so I was asking her impressions of the city. She was like “They live in the Warehouse District?” which I figured out meant Old City and we were talking about the bars they went out to, them, Upshall, Richards, Carter, Lupol, etc. All that kind of stuff. But she maintained that the Hartnell’s didn’t go out nearly as much as the younger guys in that crew, with what I thought was a bit of disapproval in her voice. This was all before anyone ever was talking about that crew’s habits, let alone them being detrimental.
She’s a very nice woman, and I had jokes for a long time about calling Hartnell’s wife (her digits in my phone due to the call) during a long road trip.
I don’t have pics of her, but:
Downie’s First NHL Shift
Flyers goal… shows you the seat I had
Good old days of winning
Oh, and Minnesota fans are terribly overrated. You could hear a pin drop all night in that joint, and they were really stupid. The first “goal”, early in the game, was called back for the Wild, because the puck never actually went in the net despite the ref pointing at it. After the review, which was plainly obvious (I had a seat with a perfect angle and saw it all the way) the fans booed and bitched ridiculously.
by MarioD on Dec 15, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That’s awesome.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
At least it isn’t Sports Soup or FanArchy.
Unless they are promoting Sports Soup and I’m just so used to ignoring it that I didn’t realize…
Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com and twitter.
All the way to Edmonton if hes not careful
by Prometheus74 on Dec 15, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
what i missed the vs. announcers mentioning was how hartnell was dropped in the crease with a literal punch in mouth with no puck in the vicinity mere seconds before their replay of the penalty (which may be the first replay of a penalty we’ve seen all night)
unfortunately Flyers aren’t doing anything tonight to shut them up…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Carbomb can beat the crap out of Crosby? He’d get a 20 game suspension, but it might be worth it…
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by Jordan Ellel on Dec 15, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
My wife
Is in the room for 5 minutes and says “this looks like a typical Pens/Flyers officiating crew and man these announcers suck”
It’s why I lover her.
My 2 cents is It’s hard to recognize Kunitz not taking a run at our best players and not getting called.
I agree
every game we play against the Pens…Kunitz gets a run from center ice and leaves his feet to hit someone…it’s a shame
by EaglesFanatic80 on Dec 15, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Very witty, considering the Penguins will be on a plane right behind them.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
now they are fellating Matt Cooke? Really?!? Matt F-ing Cooke, cheapshot artist extraordinaire? God, VS. hates the Flyers so much – why don’t they not show the Flyers in the future? That way I can watch the games on TV rather than streaming….
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Well let’s start gooning it up so we all feel better tomorrow. Losing happens not competing is unnacceptable. it’s time to accept the reality it is more than underachieving the flyers are just not that good.
by MJDII on Dec 15, 2009 9:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I’d like to see a couple fights on the PP. God knows we can’t score on it
by SkookFlyerfan on Dec 15, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
The flyers are like the titanic...
They look good until they hit the ice.
by EREX21 on Dec 15, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Power Play is awful
I hate watching our power plays…I am now glad I did not purchase Center Ice
by EaglesFanatic80 on Dec 15, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions
And another Shorty
wow this is sad to watch…can we at least get in a fight or cheat shot Crosby
by EaglesFanatic80 on Dec 15, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions
I’m going to go ahead and disagree. He let’s in a bad goal – the sixth of the night. Nothing he did tonight cost his team the game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
haha, dammit! somebody saw that…
I double facepalmed the double facepalm
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM EST reply actions
how many goals will we give away backing in at the blue line before someone finally fucking gets it? that’s three tonight scored that way- just carry it into the zone, watch the d back all the way up to the low slot, and rip the wide open shot they’re offering. a fucking cakewalk for people with accurate shots like staal and malkin. sigh.
And Tanks
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
the tiananmen square guy figured it out. if you stand up the tanks as they enter the zone, they’re forced to make a decision, and some times you stop them dead in their tracks.
that was the moral of tiananmen square, right? don’t give up the blue line?
by eeeeee on Dec 15, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Carcillo. I don’t remember seeing/hearing Parent screw up. Boucher didn’t play bad, although that last goal was weak. Um… Kalinski, maybe?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, since Travis just graciously passed on the recap, who wants to give me ideas?
Last minute comment of the night submissions?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM EST reply actions
personally i think my little funny deserves the headline…but I am somewhat biased.
As for anything else, can this team honestly do anything right? Cause it sure doesn’t seem like it.
remind me what that was.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
haha, I was thinking comment of the night. Do you have a preference?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Whew thank god that is over it was painful.
by MJDII on Dec 15, 2009 9:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Should I bother recording the winter classic?
or will we just be embarrassed on national tv with this pittiful team
by EaglesFanatic80 on Dec 15, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions
Eff this team
I’m done. I can’t take this anymore. I have run out of patience. This team is dead. to. me.
Yeah...
That team wins. They get it done, even with only 3 legitimate forwards who basically carry a cast of role players.
I know they win
But you can’t only support a team that wins. They will get theirs. It happens to every team.
I don't support only winners...
I support teams who give a flying fuck. These Flyers couldn’t care less.
They had theirs, from about 1967 to 1990.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 15, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I would
this team should not be given the priviledge of playing in the winter classic…at least the fans deserve it…but we don’t deserve this disaster of a team
by EaglesFanatic80 on Dec 15, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Forget a new system flyers need to get back to the basics. Starting with breakout drills. Then work on some skating and passing. Welcome back to 2006. Who figured the 1st round pick we gave up this year was going to be a lottery pick.
by MJDII on Dec 15, 2009 9:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Awesome!
A 6-1 game! Who’d have thought?
Laviolette will talk about “failing at the mission” again! And once again, we’ve been shown up by the team we were ostensibly structured to compete with!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
That’s what happens when you “fail at the mission.”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
By the way...
… trade-wise, I bet Hartnell is on the hot seat more than Carter right now.
Carter hasn’t been producing, but he hasn’t been committing stupid penalties night in and night out either.
I know I’ve defended Hartnell before, but he’s gotta shape up or ship out.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=302443
soon? so that we don’t have to march boucher out there on a back to back when you clearly- CLEARLY- cannot do that.
Gainey wants a top-6 forward for Halak. No thanks. Unless he’s willing to take one of the two expensive French-Canadian Flyers who will probably only waive their NTC to Montreal as part of a larger deal.
by Ben Feldman on Dec 15, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
god at this point i would kill to dump gagne for a decent young goalie who might be here for more than a year, not just because of the injuries but more because when he was on the ice at the start of the season he was a total nonfactor in every single game he played.
but yeah that probably won’t happen.
No he doesn't.
From Phila.Bright:
The original report had Gainey asking for a top-6 forward, but Gainey noted that wasn’t the case… "Let’s be realistic," Gainey told ruefrontenac.com. "I received a second round pick from the Washington Capitals for Cristobal Huet and the Flyers gave up a second round pick from Buffalo for Martin Biron."
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
yeah that was the quote in the TSN article as well. and i mean, if he’s expecting a second round pick, we could conceivably overwhelm him with an offer for a guy like gagne, right? i mean, even with all the extra money they took on in the offseason, they still have like $5.5 of cap space, don’t they? why not?
Hey guys, this was fun.
My girlfriend’s last final for the semester is tomorrow, so I’m likely back to watching the games on dvr later in the evening again. But thanks for the last few games.
Good discussion. Good luck to your girlfriend.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
You know Lav has not been here very long right.
And this shows that it is not the coach – it is these players.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m going to say this isn’t showing how bad Laviolette is, but how Stevens was not to blame at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t we all pretty much think Stevens being fired was a scapegoat move? I think even most of the Flyers players admitted as much (not that John was a scapegoat per se, but that they themselves were the reason for the firing).
Did they actually admit that? Wow. This team is beyond pathetic. Classy.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
A few at least intimated, if not flat out stated.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I also don’t think Laviolette is bad, just the wrong fit for this team.
I thought Stevens was a better coach, but Laviolette has done surprised me with a few things that we’ve discussed being impressed by Stevens’ doing (use of timeouts, pulling the goalie, risky decisions that showed more interest in winning than avoiding controversy).
[Replying to posts below me]
Lots of people, some here, a much larger majority in the fanbase wanted Stevens fired for a long time, even last season.
How can anyone really be sure the woes of this team aren’t still on the shoulders of Stevens. This team hasn’t been transformed, they look like the same exact team as when Stevens was here. I was one of the fire Stevens guys last year. I saw a lot of lazy, bad hockey even when they were winning. This team still can not do the simplest stuff right. And I mean the simple stuff like breaking out of their own zone and transition in the neutral zone. This team is shamefully out of shape. How, other than complacency, is a group of young professional athletes out of shape in the early middle of the season? This is leftover shit not a product of a new coach. To think this was going to get better in the midst of this schedule was foolish. Hang on fellas’ because it could even get worse as the compressed schedule just starts beating this team over the head and real frustration starts to eat at this group.
I understand the goaltending/defensive issues, but where did the scoring go? Ostensibly, we still have more than most teams in terms of firepower, right? It is just a matter of not taking quality shots, or not getting creative? Bad movement?
What is it? And how do they get it back? Or is it just hopeless with this roster as currenlty constituted?
You just echoed my exact frustrations:
What is it? And how do they get it back? Or is it just hopeless with this roster as currenlty constituted?I just hate having absolutely no idea whats wrong and what needs to be done. I have never felt so helpless about the Flyers before in my life.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
because we desperately needed him to get out there and waste time fighting godard in the first period.
also, that’s a great question. i mean, if you’re not going to play the guy, why dress him? regardless of whether or not he merits the roster spot, if he’s not gonna see the ice, then give someone else his spot in the lineup- it’s pretty simple.
haha, wow. That’s incredible. One shift?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
We suck.
I actually have a fond memory of our last game of 2006-07.
It was on Easter Sunday and we won against the Sabres. The packed Wachovia Center stood and cheered for the victory.
The cheer, to me, said a few things:
“We’re still with you, even after the worst season in franchise history.”
“This team will get better next year! Look at the deals Holmgren made! The orange and black will be back!”
“Thank God that’s over, but there’s nowhere to go but up from here! The future’s looking bright!”
I felt proud to be a Flyers fan at that moment. We had been through the worst and would definitely get better soon. I was already looking forward to next season, because in my mind the team’s hand was forced. It was obvious that the Flyers had to adapt to the new NHL if they wanted to survive and thrive. I thought, “Finally! A new approach and some fresh ideas in here – and from Holmgren, the unlikeliest of sources! We’re gonna win the Cup sooner than later!”
This feeling was reinforced after the 2008 playoff run.
Fast-forward to the present. What the hell happened?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Dec 15, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Lack of effort and sacrifice, obviously Lappy doesn’t fit in the lack of sacrifice category
by Crosby sucks on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
…because I distinctly remember that feeling. And, because, I too am completely out of explanations for what the hell has gone so wrong.
by Mitchell Green on Dec 15, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe this is a good thing.
Maybe Snider will realize that, if he wants to win a championship, he has to ditch the whole “loyal soldier” approach and bring in some people who actually are interested in winning in TODAY’S NHL.
We can bitch about the New NHL all we want, but the fact is that the Flyers have to play in it. If they want to win it all, they have to adapt.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
DISTRICT 5
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 PM EST reply actions
District 5!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 15, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN!
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 15, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
If there’s a plus here, I believe this was the largest game thread in our humble little BSH history.
So there’s that.
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Just a thought, I have been behind Richards and the Captaincy since this all started. This year, last year whatever Marleau’s leadership questioned, trade rumors surrounded him 20 G ,14 A, 3 GWG, let’s just say he sucked it up for the better of the team. Any chance of that happening here. I don’t get to see alot of games living in Iowa and being a Flyers fan, but when I do, I see a lack of effort, chances to clear the zone, dumbass icings and timely faceoffs lost. We burned a TO for an icing tonite for example. I missed the 1st period a 3-1 score and 3 fights. I’d like to give Peter a couple weeks to implement his x’s o’s, but sooner or later if this team doen’t perform somebody has to go. We gave up alot to get Pronger to help this team win a cup, there is not a lot of help on the farm right now nor will this draft be any better.
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