Philadelphia Flyers Fan Confidence Rating: 12/16 Voting

by Travis Hughes on Dec 16, 2009 10:45 AM EST in Features

It's time for another vote in our Fan Confidence Rating poll. In previous polls taken since the beginning of the season, fan confidence has hovered around 80 percent. Will it be dramatically lower now that the Flyers are spinning out of control, or do you believe this team will turn it around?

You vote, on a scale of 0 percent to 100 percent, how confident you are in the current direction of the organization as a whole. That means that you're taking into account the team's on-ice performance, management and coaching decisions, and the overall status of prospects and the farm system.

Voting will be open for 24 hours, and the results will be posted on tomorrow morning and graphed alongside previous results.

So, how confident are you in the current direction of the Philadelphia Flyers? Vote in the poll and let us know how you feel in the comments.

Poll

On a scale of 0 percent-to-100 percent, how confident are you in the current direction of the Philadelphia Flyers organization?

100 percent

10 votes

90 percent

5 votes

80 percent

14 votes

70 percent

36 votes

60 percent

54 votes

50 percent

57 votes

40 percent

50 votes

30 percent

71 votes

20 percent

54 votes

10 percent

36 votes

0 percent

98 votes

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this is going be bad I was 100% last time now 50% ouch

by chrislanci on Dec 16, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions

Confidence?

They need to get Powe, Betts and Gagne back for a few games before anyone makes a decision on what to do. They have too much talent to miss the playoffs, and while it is hard to install a system on the go, particularly when you are playing an insane schedule with games every other day, it will get done.

by paolipress1 on Dec 16, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions

I’ve never once voted over 40%.

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions

trade Hartnell
I can not take his horrible penalties anymore. He has heart he has speed but chooses to take horrible penalties. the coach should never have been removed it falls to the players and they are not playing. It is not the goalies they have played well. Pronger I am sorry has been unimpressive for the price. Bottom line Carter and Richards aren’t scoring. We miss Knuble like no other person we have nobody who stands infront of the net and gets trash goals.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions

Put Pronger infront of the net on power plays

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions

we do not need a huge trade do not unload the youth

Listen we may need a trade to spark things but again we need a veteran like Rod Brindamour. He can win faceoffs play hard and cost little. He is struggling in Carolina get him for Hartnell. You will save some money and get a quality veteran who has heart and does not take bad penalties.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions

Are you insane?

Brind’Amour carries a $3.6m cap hit this year and next. And he was a healthy scratch because he’s played like shit this year.

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions

Also, he played pretty poorly last year, as well, on an ECF team, so I’d characterize it less as “struggling” and more as “end of his career.” Doesn’t seem like something a “change of scenery” would fix.

by SteelBirdFlyer on Dec 16, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions

I take it you dont know why the Flyers had to trade him away. Unfortunately lets just say he and his family would never consider returning to the Flyers organization.
Besides he is too old

by Prometheus74 on Dec 16, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions

I know the organization very well

And i know the true reason. Not the rumormill reason that everyone wants to believe.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions

Speaking of which is Carter bangin’ Hartnell’s old lady or what?

by MJDII on Dec 16, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions

Stop with that.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 16, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions

i did my research and Hartnell makes 4.2 million so it would still save us money to have brindamour and he wouldn’t take crappy penalties and probably retire next year so next years money would not matter.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions

probably retire next year so next years money would not matter

Keep on reading, buddy.

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions

again i don’t have to have brindamour but Hartnell really should be getting 4.2 million really?? Really

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions

He’s well worth his cap hit, yes. He’s actually on pace for more production than last year’s 30g, 60+pt season.

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions

But thats not the part you don’t understand.

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions

than make me understand

I understand that i watch the flyers and Hartnell not only takes bad penalties but takes them at the worst possible time either we are starting to cycle and do something or it is late in the period and he just takes one to take one. He is not worth 4.2 million and he will not produce what he did last year.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 17, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions

I understand the salary is a problem but they can make a deal with the money to

Carolina wants him gone. You can give them Nodl and Kalinski and Asham. Bottom line we need heart and scoring. Our goalie is fine, so if i am so insane what is your answer bring in kovalchuck?

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions

Even if you traded those three players (which makes no sense at all)… their combined salaries add up to $2.365m dollars. Just over 2/3 of Brind’Amour’s salary, and not enough for the Flyers to fit him under their cap.

That’s before I mention that Nodl and Kalinski are going to be back in the AHL this weekend, so trading them doesn’t even take anything off the Flyers’ cap.

Do five seconds of researching before spouting off nonsense.

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions

so give me answers

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions

agree take a breath there is no quick fix
That is all I am really worried about them buckling to the pressure and giving Carter away for a goalie stupid. If you want to trade someong that is fine but make a small trade like a Hartnell and send a message. I could give up Carcillo, Cote, Hartnell, Asham, Nodl or Kalinski I just don’t see them effective on the flyers in the future. And we need one fighter a fighter that wins. Pronger was a horrible move and makes the cap worse in years to come. Gagne no trade clause has killed us he is just too injury prone anymore and losing knuble was bigger than people want to believe. We have no one that stands infront of the goalie and sweeps the trash in.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions

I would give up Carter for a franchise goaltender. If you are going to be cap strapped at least have the most important position on the team locked in without question.

by MJDII on Dec 16, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions

Who would that be?

Marc andre fluery would be the only young goalie i would want right now.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions

Would you consider Giguere? Even if not if one of the better goaltenders could be pried away for Carter I would do it. 18 million in centers is not what wins cups.

by MJDII on Dec 16, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions

I am not sure about Giguere

The way I look at it if you trade Carter you are saying the team is a failure and you are rebuilding because he was a major piece in the core. And for Giguere who can’t even start. The problem is there is no other broduer out there maybe luongo but too unproven for me to give up a center who scored a ton last year.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

And for Giguere who can’t even start.

I’m not sure I understand what that means. Yes, he’s started fewer games than Hiller (13 to 19), but his GAA is lower (2.67 to 3.01) and his save percentage is higher (.913 to .910).

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 16, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions

HOLY FUCK.

You wouldn’t trade Jeff Carter straight up for Robero Luongo?

Are you really saying that?

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions

Have you seen the deal Luongo is signed to? Highway robbery by the Canucks on that one.

He’s signed through 2022, with a cap hit just above Simon Gagne’s and just below Duncan Keith’s.

He less than $100k more than Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf, and Jason Pominville.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 16, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions

Of course I have.

Its a brilliant contract. The actual contract is really 8 years at $7.1m a year, at which point he’ll be 38 years old and retire. Then they tacked on four more years for a total of $6.5m to bring the hit down. It’s awesome.

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions

That’s probably something the league will try to eliminate in a new CBA – Lifetime deals, as they are – but damn. It’s becoming a trend. Good for the Canucks.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 16, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions

I am saying he is not on the board so he can not even be thought about.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 17, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions

$22 million in centers just won a cup…

by Hatt the Moople on Dec 16, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions

And have the goaltending wrapped up for the next 10 years.

by MJDII on Dec 16, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions

There’s quality ‘tenders out there. We make up a package highlighted by Hartnell and ship it out for Halak or Biron (who never should have been allowed to leave in the first place). We’ve strength down the center, I wouldn’t disrupt that.

by Hatt the Moople on Dec 16, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions

we go get Halak then Biron can not come back because it would be a PR nightmare. Goaltending is not the issue right now we can’t score. How many saves do you want from Boucher, the defense that makes good money is not clearing the porch and we can’t score bottom line.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions

We’re good in goaltending. This so called strength down the center you claim we have can’t score goals. A solid brick wall in front of our net still wouldn’t win us a game if we can’t score.

by Kanayd on Dec 16, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

Halak’s numbers are only marginally better than Boucher’s. I don’t see that he’s an upgrade over Emery once he’s back, and he’s not enough of an upgrade over Boucher to bother giving up any scoring at all for a team that can’t score.

Biron, on the other hand, is a choker. And he’s likely not as available anymore since Dipietro re-injured himself.

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by NebCanuck on Dec 16, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions

i guess i am wishing this

I know there cap is a problem i am just saying they need a disciplined veteran player that can help with faceoffs and sweeping trash into the net at the porch. Your argument for this one please?

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions

If you trade Carter you say the team we were building is a failure. And then you are not backing the core and can cause even more problems.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions

i agree....

the team just plain sucks… the fault lies with the management…. paul holmgren must have played too many games without his helmet… every move he makes is dumber than the next… he’s stuck in the 70’s!!! ….even andy reid adapts (albeit slowly)… the problem is up front and in goal… no top talent players on the first line… no dominant center… no great playmakers… briere? please… gagne… (where are you? long gone with injuries)… richards… carter (good second line players at best… )… pronger… what in the world were they thinking? he’s been riding his reputation for years… coburn… 3rd line at best… hartnell… get a hair cut already… emery? who gives a crap… it doesn’t matter who coaches this team… they are going nowhere… the only solution is to get rid of holmgren… clarke (he’s still pulling strings)… even the web site stinks… the whole damn front office is worthless… get new scouts… get people who can evaluate talent… develop a plan which looks to the future… forget the 70’s… yeah… it will be better when powe and betts get back… but not much!!! so… if you’ve been doing nothing all day and have read this rant… keep Carter… Richards (not as captain)… Giroux… JVR… Carle… Parent… Coburn… Timmonen…. Hartnell (for the third line) trade Pronger… get rid of Cote (for what)…Carcillo… Asham… somehow… somewhere get some draft choices back… the sad part is it will take years to repair this mess!!!!

by Elmo the faithful fan on Dec 16, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions

Take a breath, Elmo

I guess the Hockey News and various other pundits must have not had their helmets on either when they picked the Flyers to be in the Cup finals, eh? Maybe Holmgren should have known that Gagne would choose to try for the Olympics team this summer when he knew he still had physical issues, or that Emery would be out for 6 to 8 weeks. The reality is that the main goal in the regular season is to qualify for the playoffs. Get in the playoffs, playing well, and anything can happen. You might just chill a little and see how things look a month from now.

by paolipress1 on Dec 16, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions

I agree take a breath there is no quick fix

That is all I am really worried about them buckling to the pressure and giving Carter away for a goalie stupid. If you want to trade someong that is fine but make a small trade like a Hartnell and send a message. I could give up Carcillo, Cote, Hartnell, Asham, Nodl or Kalinski I just don’t see them effective on the flyers in the future. And we need one fighter a fighter that wins. Pronger was a horrible move and makes the cap worse in years to come. Gagne no trade clause has killed us he is just too injury prone anymore and losing knuble was bigger than people want to believe. We have no one that stands infront of the goalie and sweeps the trash in.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions

The playoffs???

this team will be lucky to make to February….

by Elmo the faithful fan on Dec 16, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions

Sentences much?

by Mitchell Green on Dec 16, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions

Is this one of those magic eye things?

If I keep staring, will a picture of Alexandre Daigle pop out and scare me?

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by IcersGuy on Dec 16, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions

C'mon...

Look at all the talent this team has. IF the relationship in the room isn’t broken, they’ll pull it together.

What’s the consensus here regarding the Richards/Hartnell’s wife thing?

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 16, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions

See how this stuff spreads? It wasn’t Richards, it was Carter. And either way, it’s BS.

That’s the consensus.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 16, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions

Sorry, stand corrected.

Just wanted to know if guys that follow the team closely think there’s anything to it – not trying to rub salt in a wound.

Thanks for the quick response.

And, really, there’s zero chance Philly misses out on the playoffs.

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by fat_daddyo on Dec 16, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I didn’t mean to seem harsh. This is just a sensitive subject.

Irresponsible rumors give all of us a bad name.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 16, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions

this is bs the same thing that went on with rod brindamour

if this travels far enough it will make it ok to trade Carter and everyone will say Carter did that and that is why he was traded.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions

I wanted to vote poop but that was not a choice….

by Ant on Dec 16, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions

I would like to know Pittsburgh’s confidence level at this time last year, and we all know how there season ended. I am not sayying we are going to win the Cup, but it is a long season it is only a third of the way over. Let’s let the coach install the new system, and see where it goes. There is some good news on the horizon. Betts, Powe, and Gagne Are back this week. The schedule after tomorrow night lightens up in term of competion. And with Gagne back i can’t see Hartnell on one of the top two lines, and lets be honest Hartnell is a 3rd or 4th line player.
And tomorrow instead of chanting Crosby Sucks Can we chant Pitt Fans Suck. Same ammount of sylables, and there fans are what truly make me sick about that team.

by burtonboypa on Dec 16, 2009 2:56 PM EST reply actions

What makes their fans so bad, compared to Flyer fans?

by Hatt the Moople on Dec 16, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions

Briere has got to go...

I’m sure it’s been said before, but Briere needs to be the guy to go. I realize with his contract and his play since he’s come to Philly makes it highly unlikely, but the guy has never impressed me since being in a Flyer uniform.

by weredun4 on Dec 16, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions

Absolutely! There’s NOTHING impressive about being the best scorer on the team! DEAD WEIGHT!!!

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions

If the cap were structured slightly differently (or were even, say, 2 million higher), then no one would be saying any of this stuff.

Danny Briere and Mike Richards are not going anywhere. Get used to it.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 16, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions

OMG, I am so sick of this argument. When anyone says to me that Briere has to be the first to go, it just proves to me that they don’t know anything about the Flyers. We need scoring, so of course, get rid of one of the best scorers on the team. Fact of the matter is, Briere is probably being paid exactly what he is worth; it’s other guys who are underpaid.

It’s because he doesn’t have that Philly style, right? He’s a skill player. Lord knows that those kinds of players really suck.

by doubleh on Dec 16, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions

Exactly. I posted this early in the week, but he’s something 40th in the league in ppg and 25th in the league in salary.

Given the circumstances (that he’s old enough to have reached UFA status, thus his value is incomparable to RFAs and certainly entry-level guys) he’s basically right where he should be.

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

Here’s a salary cap hit list. Guys who are higher paid than Briere (11g, 8a, 25gp) include:

Eric Staal (4g, 11a, 22gp)
Vincent Lecavalier (6g, 20a, 33gp)
Scott Gomez (4g, 12a, 30gp)
Chris Drury (2g, 7a, 27gp)
Jason Spezza (5g, 14a, 30gp)

by MarioD on Dec 16, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions

116 points in 133 games with a -33 rating since in Philly – does that equate to the contract he signed?

by weredun4 on Dec 16, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions

that’s an interesting list, if we unload Briere maybe we can make a run at Kovalchuk…

by weredun4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions

He is one of the only guys playing hard right now. He also has a no trade clause so like Gagne pretty much stuck with them.

by whosyourjockey on Dec 16, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions

This city had the same reaction when the Eagles lost to the Raiders. They dropped to
3-2, and their season was over. Now they are 9-4 and going to the Super Bowl.

by burtonboypa on Dec 16, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions

Completely different situation. One games versus a month of games. The NFL season can completely turn upside down every weekend. Look at Dallas — they were in prime position to win the division a week or two ago, and now they might not even make the playoffs. You can’t compare the two.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 16, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

Bad argument. Come back when the Eagles drop 5 in a row and only manage about 10 pts in those 5 games then we’ll compare.

by Kanayd on Dec 16, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions

I agree, you cant coorelate 1 NFL to say 5 NHL games. But I am talking about the psyche of the fans is diferent then the psyche of the team. I don’t think or i at least pray that the players in that locker room have not given up hope yet. It is a long season of high and lows. They are real low right now, but the mood I’ve been hearing from the fans is that this team is dead, just like the Eagles fans were claiming the that team was dead.

I think this is what Jimmy Rollins meant when he claimed that Phillies fans were bandwagoners. Jimmy and I have different definitions of that word. I think the Pittsburgh fans are true bandwagon fans. When the Penquins are bad those fans head for ze hills. The Philly fan is a gloom and doom fan. When things are not going our way we bash everybody. Its like all you ever here is this guy sucks, trade that guy, cut that loser. I just want the city to take a deep breath and support this team.

I have not given up on this team yet. It’s an 82 game season and there is a lot of Hockey left to play. When did the Penquins make there playoff push last year. I think there was about a month and a half left when they fired their coach.

by burtonboypa on Dec 16, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions

That’s an interesting point about the bandwagoners. I, like you, define one as someone who doesn’t follow a team when they are losing. Jimmy appears to define one as someone who isn’t supportive of a team when they are losing. Key distinction.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 16, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions

There’s a difference, in my opinion, between not supporting a team and bitching and moaning about a team’s performance/wanting a change in direction/etc. As Edward R. Murrow said, “We mustn’t confuse dissent with disloyalty.”

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 16, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions