Game 34, Preview and Open Thread: Snow Day! New York Rangers at Philadelphia Flyers
by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 12:23 PM EST
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PrintNew York Rangers at Philadelphia Flyers, Dec 19, 2009 1:00 PM EST
#9 New York Rangers (15-16-3, 33 pts) at #13 Philadelphia Flyers (15-16-2, 32 pts)
Wachovia Center - 1:00 PM ET - Philadelphia, PA
TV: CSN Philly HD, MSG 2
Radio: 610 WIP
This is the open game thread.
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Yes, the game is still on.
While most of the Delaware Valley is snowed in thanks to one of the biggest December storms in recent memory, the Flyers will look to dig themselves out as they face off against those hated Rangers for the first time this season.
Simon Gagne will be in the Flyers lineup today as the team finally starts to regain their health. Will he be the spark the Flyers need to get their offense back on track? We'll find out today. He'll play on the top line with Mike Richards and Dan Carcillo.
The Rangers come into town looking just as bad as the Flyers. They're one point ahead of the orange and black thanks to an extra game, but they're 2-6-2 in their last 10. Wade Redden and Ales Kotalik were benched after Wednesday night's loss against the Islanders, and in the back end of their home-and-home on Thursday, the Rangers snapped a five game losing streak.
John Tortorella will go with the same lineup today, sitting his struggling veterans in favor of Erik Christensen and Bobby Sanguinetti. Marian Gaborik is really the Rangers only true scoring threat, and he leads the league with 24 goals, but we also have to look out Ryan Callahan, who's on a bit of a hot streak with seven points in his last four games.
It's also Blair Betts' first game against his former team.
After the jump, Flyers probable line combos, starting goaltenders, questions to answer, and our in-game open thread.
Flyers Line Combinations
Carcillo - Richards - Gagne
Hartnell - Carter - Briere
JVR - Giroux - Asham
Pyorala - Betts - Laperriere
Starting Goaltenders
Questions To Answer
- How does Gagne perform now that he's back in the lineup? He only had one goal in the nine games he played this season, if you remember.
- Do Hartnell and Carter carry over the chemistry they displayed on Thursday?
- Can the Flyers successfully stop Marian Gaborik?
- How many people actually make it to the game today?
Today's game is on CSN Philly at 1 PM, and MSG 2 if you're in North Jersey or the NYC area. Listen at 610 WIP, stay warm, and as always, join us for the conversation. LET'S GO FLYERS!
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Maybe just Maybe Gagne is the answer to turn this team around, sure its highly improbably but one can only hope.
Not any time soon. Gage historically plays scared for about a month after returning from injury. Even Gagne himself concedes this:
“It’s definitely going to take more than four or five games before I feel good and feel like myself again,” he said after yesterday’s practice at the Skate Zone in Voorhees. “I don’t expect to be the same player [today] as when I was 100 percent and in good shape. It’s going to take time, and I have to be patent.”
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Who is Crazy Bitch?
No, you know what? I don’t even care.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
That’s my bad. I copied and pasted from a few games ago and forgot to make the changes.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone else notice that idiot Carchidi has Andreas Nodl being sent down to the AHL to make room for Gagne?
haha, yeah I saw that. Almost said something on here, then decided it wasn’t worth it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is, everyone will make mistakes. But competent writers will correct it and apologize. I guarantee he’ll never mention it again. He probably doesn’t even know its wrong.
Exactly. Even Seravalli copped to a mistake he made here. An entire paragraph, with explanation and apology, and he clearly was embarrassed.
Stuff like that earns my respect.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ok thanks. I was just wondering if you knew of any so I don’t miss the beginning, but I’ll start looking around 1.
wow links didn’t show
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/hockeynight/2009121915 = yahoo stream
http://www.kilo-net.com/kilonet.shtml = SopCast stream
Honestly, you’d have to be a fucking idiot to be there today if you can’t take public transportation. They’re talking about being in blizzard conditions by the time the game ends.
Yeah, I didn’t even drive to work today and it’s around the corner.
Imagine how many people are going to be at the Sixers game tonight.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
This has been a dull game early. Boucher seems to be going down real early, pre shot even.
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That’s a pretty unacceptable turn over.
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Yeah. Tough play since he was on his knees, but at that point, you fire it off the glass or lift it in the air.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I like it. They need to wake up.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think it’s a little early.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Did Carcillo even hit the net there?
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No
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Carbomb with a great chance. Even showed some skill – I didn’t know he could lift a puck on his backhand.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions
Hm, haha
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I love hearing the ref yelling “You’ve got a power play! You’ve got a power play!”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions
And before that, “He’s goin, he’s goin!”
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Avery’s a douchebag. In case we forgot.
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I think he’s more of a headache than he’s worth.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 19, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I like his personality on the ice, the total d-bag act is great. btw, in my NHL 10 franchis, my 3rd line was Avery, Carcillo, and Downie. Best line ever haha.
Who was your center?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would think Downie.
I would never want Avery. We piss and moan about Carcillo, Avery is 100 times worse, and he runs his mouth off the ice too.
See I disagree. Hartnell has more skill. Secondly Hartnell just does dumb things without thinking. Avery is calculated. He knows exactly what he is doing. If anything, Avery is a poor man’s Tie Domi.
I think Avery’s in his own class, really
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
The difference between Avery and Domi is that Avery’s afraid to fight most tough guys. Domi would fight anybody — Avery antagonizes and skates away when somebody drops the gloves.
by memphisbrando on Dec 19, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Santa Sack promo number 1
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions
Tie game!
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Was that Giroux’s second failed clear – turnover?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions
Except for Giroux wanting him to go in front of the net on that last power play, I’ve been very impressed with Gags today.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Is it just me or is the pace of this game kinda slow?
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It definitely is. There’s only like 11k people there, though, so I wonder if that’s part of it. Lack of atmosphere can make things seem different.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s the opposite of depressing, actually, no?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
that’s the first time i’ve seen it. what happened exactly?
by mantis toboggan on Dec 19, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions
virtuaflyers.com tells the story quite well, ignoring the obvious advertising.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
He had a blood clot in his thigh that ended up moving to his heart, no?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I thought the leg had compartment syndrome or something.
I guess I should take my own advice and look it up.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
haha, you were right. I was way off.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=457963
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Man, the Rangers are taking a ton of penalties.
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I don’t like Torts as a coach. As a comedian, sure.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 19, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
WAIT!!!!! THATS IT!!!!!THATS WHY WE HAVE COTE ON THE TEAM!!!! THEY NEEDED HIS WIFE TO DO A COTSIES CORNER!!!!!!! LMAO
His wife is the biggest organizer/contributer, and pretty much runs the Flyers wives Carnival.
Yeah she is more valuable than Cote to the Flyers organization
by Prometheus74 on Dec 19, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
we better score here cause you know the rangers are gonna get some power plays
by mantis toboggan on Dec 19, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions
Jesus, Boosh inspiring zero confidence on that play.
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Pretty much all game, really.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
The was having a momentary flashbacks of Thursdays shootout
by Prometheus74 on Dec 19, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Great job by Jonesy to show how Coburn was hung out to dry by Hartnell and then Briere.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions
How is that a penalty???
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions
He did get him with the stick. Very slightly, but he did touch him.
by philiafan14364 on Dec 19, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
District 5
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 19, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions
gagne’s rust showing a little the last two shifts
by mantis toboggan on Dec 19, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, dude that sucks. I’ve done that before.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
i get back to you on that..got to get the magic 8 ball out
by Crosby sucks on Dec 19, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
not really
Danny made two great moves to get in, what did hi linemates do though was idiotic. Hartnell went behind the net and Carter was along the boards on the other side. He had no help.
JVR has a great opportunity there. FAIL
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 19, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions
Progner might be the only Canadian now
Carter os off and Richards is now doubtful
by Prometheus74 on Dec 19, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
why are we incapable of scoring. It seems every goalie we play against turns into superman. I hate to blame luck, but it seems everytime we get a good chance the puck takes an odd bounce away from us
all our shots that make it to the net are low % and
All scoring chances miss the net or are blocked
by SanDiegoScraps on Dec 19, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just got home, so forgive me for being out of the loop of conversation, but does this whole thing seem a little slow motion to anyone else?
There doesn’t seem to be hustle from either team, which is so weird. The puck is like drifting along slowly… when somebody does actually make a pass at what would be normal speed (like Asham’s 30 seconds ago), it seems completely out of place because the pace is so slow
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 19, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
because we dont play against ourselves. I honestly dont think its the opposing goalie, we literally are jus cursed.
and has anyone else noticed everytime Carter gets the puck he trys the same move, he skates to the outside, waits 2 seconds and basically tells the goalie what hes about to do, and then takes a wide angled wrist shot thats easy to stop.
Yeah, apparently they only had 90 seconds of energy left in the tank and felt they had to save it til the end… I cant tell how much of the problem is motivation, what part is lack of conditioning, etc.
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 19, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
the rangers fucking suck are you kidding me
by mantis toboggan on Dec 19, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions
Jim Jackson: “this team has life”
No, they don’t. They’ve lost that love and feeling
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 19, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions
That win was an anomaly. This team is bad, vewwy bad. District 5 bad
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 19, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
They are a really bad team playing desperate hockey
We are just pathetic
by Prometheus74 on Dec 19, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
What pathetic play. This team is horrible, I’m tired of hearing how good our player are and how great of a game the other team’s goalie is playing. Make some God Damn trades!
Boosh may have actually increased his market value over this stretch….
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 19, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want trade him, I was just answering the “Who would they want” question
by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 19, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think Boosh is begging to get traded right now
by SkookFlyerfan on Dec 19, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
this team needs to practice fundamentals, not systems. break out the shooter tooter, and bust out the basic pass and shoot drills in practice.
lightning drills for any shot not on net
by SanDiegoScraps on Dec 19, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Agree/Disagree
I actually thought the Flyers played a very solid 3rd period. I thought they deserved to lose in OT.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
i think theyre good enough to finish 4th in the Southeast Division right now
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 19, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I could almost sense that the Rags knew that they only needed to score 2 goals to win. After the 2nd goal, they were playing “not to lose”, which is why we had so many shots in the 3rd period compared to them…
by SanDiegoScraps on Dec 19, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
By the way...
… the season is over. They have what, 48 games left and they need to win at least 31 of them to have a shot at the playoffs?
Not gonna happen.
Holmgren and Snider need to go. It’s not enough to fire Holmgren because Snider will replace him with “a loyal organizational soldier.” We don’t need another inbred GM. We need fresh ideas. We need a new direction entirely.
It’s beyond the coach; it’s beyond the players. The culture of the organization must change or it will be doomed to fail.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Disagree
The play on the ice is lackluster. They need to get rid of some big names, get draft picks, and sign a top echelon goalie. Bot a 2nd tier, not a goalie with upside, they need a top 5, top 10 goalie. How they do that, I don’t know. King Henry won that game for the Rangers. Boucher doesn’t win games
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 19, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that we need a stud netminder, but today was not Boucher’s fault. We can’t fucking score.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
People are awarding Boucher with playing great goaltending, keeping the Flyers in games. This is what happens to Boucher: opposing team scores goals, grabs a 1-2 goal lead over the Flyers. Then the other team throws lazy shots/typical flyers shots at Boucher that a backup can stop. Since the Flyers couldn’t score if the other goalie was a prostitute, the other team can slow the game down and all they have to do is keep the Flyers off the board.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 19, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I also disagree. Its not the coaches, or the management. This team just cannot score. If you’re players won’t score you can’t do anything. The Adirondack Phantoms could score more than these bums. they’re professionals and BY ACCIDENT they should score more goals
by SkookFlyerfan on Dec 19, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
There is no reason at all that we should be saying “This team cannot score.” We need to trade one big name for another because some of our big names need a fresh start elsewhere. My problem is, who gets traded and for whom? Does Homer make a shrewd move or screw up?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
No. He’s made good moves before, so he could do it again.
The way things have been going though, I only expect failure.
That angers me to no end. We’re supposed to be the proud, always-competitive Flyers. And we are anything but.
I hope 2010 features the worst draft in NHL history since we won’t be getting anyone.
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exactly. THey need to do something to send a message. Laviolette and/or homer better be in the locker room throwing chairs right now. And make Carter/Hartnell/one of our “stars” a healthy scratch for the next game to send a message. It worked when ANdy Reid Benched Donovan. Act like a bitch get treated like a bitch. thats the message that needs to be sent
I thought the Carter/Hartnell/Briere line was solid today. They are a microcosm of the team – working hard but not producing.
The only “message” that can be sent effectively is a trade.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
They were the best line on the ice, but you have to send a message somehow. SOmetimes someone just has to be the fall guy. you cant bench the captain as that would create a shitstorm that would last well beyond this season. As you said, that line was a microcosm of the team and for that reason one of them needs to be the fall guy to send the message that working hard but not finishing isnt good enough.
if they cant turn things around this team is fucked for the long term. Richards signed a 12 year contract and he looks like a role player at best right now. Carter will be gone in two years but he hurts his trade value everytime he steps on the ice. Briere’s contract makes him untradeable. Pronger is as advertised but we’ll have given up a top 5 draft pick to get him. We don’t have a goalie. Every other “good” player on our team is signed to a long term fat contract that makes them untradeable. were stuck this team blows.
it’s easy to lead a team when the team is winning. It takes a real captain to lead in the face of defeat.
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 19, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Richards is trying. Stevens’ departure lit a fire under him. I never thought I’d hear him say anything like he did after the 6-1 loss at Pittsburgh.
Much like the Lindros era, we’ve got the right centerpiece but the wrong supporting cast. And this has been going on for the last 20 years.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Pronger speaks, Boucher speaks, Laviolette speaks. Time for Richie to own up and open up to the media, at least create some sort of drama other than “how much will this team suck tonight”
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 19, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Get used to this ...
Nothing’s going to change with this team, because of all the talk that this team has the talent it needs to win, it certainly does not have the chemistry. Holmgren is not going to trade a player with talent to change the chemistry, so this is what they are stuck with. Worse, their 1st pick, which certainly seemed to be a late rounder when it was traded, looks like it will be an early rounder or, dare I say it, a lottery pick. So they don’t even get the prize waiting for them at the end of a dismal season.
But Philly fans can look forward to pitchers and catchers reporting in February, at least.
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