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Impact of weather on the Winter Classic

Two years ago during the NHL's first Winter Classic experiment in Buffalo, light snow sprinkled down on Ralph Wilson Stadium, creating a picturesque snow globe effect as millions watched on national television. Last year in Chicago, there wasn't any snow, but the weather cooperated just fine and they got the game in.

One of these years, it's not going to work out so well. Could we have a problem this year?

Here's what the forecast looks like for Thursday, Friday and Saturday, according to weather.com.

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Snow would be an annoyance, but it would still be manageable. The Zamboni would have to come out several times during the game, as it did in Buffalo two years ago, to sweep away the excess. Obviously, though, if the snow is falling faster than the Zamboni can handle, you've got a problem and you'd have to let the snow pass similar to a rain delay in baseball. That much precipitation isn't expected, though.

Still, we could have a problem if the rain part of the forecast comes true. If it drizzles on game day, the rink can handle it, as light rain would simply freeze over quickly on the ice surface. But anything beyond a drizzle, really, would be a severe problem as the rain wouldn't freeze on the ice fast enough. Puddling would occur and you a) can't play in puddles and b) can't get rid of those puddles.

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In any case, those overseeing the event for the NHL aren't concerned. At least not yet, anyway.

Don Renzulli, the NHL's senior vice president of events and entertainment, doesn't think you can worry too much with four days still left until game day.

"[The forecast] changes daily," Renzulli said Monday. "Yesterday we were expecting one to two inches today. That didn't happen. We were expecting a 50 percent chance of snow on game day, and now it's looking like rain and about 37 [degrees]. I guess I'm used to just waiting a day or so because it will change. We will see what happens, and we will adjust to it in the next couple of days and through the nights."

Still, as facilities manager Dan Craig said earlier today, weather is still a lead topic in daily meetings at Fenway as they take the necessary preparations. The ice is holding up despite rain in the Boston area over the last two days.

"It's wet," Craig said. "We are in good shape as of yet. We had solid rain [Sunday]. It took us probably an extra four hours to set up last night. [The ice surface was] solid by 6:00, so we are anticipating about the same thing today."

The anticipation was correct. Late into the afternoon today, the crew was able to paint the lines and logos onto the surface, making the rink look more and more like it's ready for a regular season NHL game. Craig, Renzulli and company will no doubt grow a few gray hairs over the next few days while keeping track of the weather reports.

If the weather does in fact make the game unplayable on Friday, it will be pushed back to Saturday.

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Oh man.

Getting stuck in Boston because the game is canceled would indeed be tons of fun!

Let's go Flyers!

by OrangeAndBlackk on Dec 28, 2009 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

This would certainly be bad, but like Renzulli said, let’s wait until the Thursday to worry.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 28, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Please dear god let it rain and force them to cancel this bullshit.

by MarioD on Dec 28, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

What happens if a hockey game is rained out?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 28, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Rescheduled as part of a doubleheader in September…?

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 28, 2009 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It just gets rescheduled.

The Flyers have had games cancelled due to weather before. In the 90s a window broke in the Spectrum making it unsafe and a game was cancelled, I believe.

Given the promotional bullshit, I would think they’re going to get the ice ready at Boston Garden so NBC has a game to broadcast if its raining. The Garden has nothing on the schedule for 1/1.

by MarioD on Dec 28, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

I remember that game. It was against the Kings. The Kings had just tied it at one when the winds knocked a big hunk of ice into the Spectrum window, breaking it open.

I don’t remember how the game was resolved, though – whether they erased the stats from the first part of the game or if they did like the Phils and Rays did last year.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 29, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

As I wrote in the article, it will be played at Fenway on Saturday if they can’t go Friday. NBC has no other programming that day except for local BS.

There’s no way they move it inside unless it’s absolutely necessary. They have 30,000 plus fans with tickets and a ton of other obligations. It would be a logistical nightmare moving the game to the TD Garden, and it would definitely not be moved there on 1/1.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 29, 2009 12:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t see the game ending up at the Garden no matter how dire the circumstances…. to start with, how could they decide which 17,500 ticket holders get admitted out of 35,000+ tickets?

If the bad weather pushed past the backup date on the 2nd, I think the odds are better of the Flyers game vs the Sens on the 3rd getting postponed than the game getting moved inside for any reason. The NHL and NBC can’t possibly afford to refund half the tickets, absorb the losses from creating that rink for no reason, and kill all the buzz for next year’s classic in one swift motion.

by DragonGirl0583 on Dec 29, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

The NHL can’t afford to refund all the sponsorship money and commercial time of not airing a game when the time is sold for. No doubt, the add rates will be reduced if the game airs at any time other than the scheduled air time.

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

http://www.hockeyjournal.com/Article.php?ArtID=235483

There is a built-in make-up date for Jan. 2 if weather conditions prevent playing on New Year’s Day, but no one from the NHL wants to think about that yet.

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2009/12/10/nothing_but_rain_would_dampen_spirits_at_nhls_winter_classic/

In the worst-case rainfall scenario, the Winter Classic would be postponed to Jan. 2.

http://espn.go.com/boston/columns/bruins/blog/_/post/4777293/name/kalman

As the game nears, the NHL will determine what weather is tolerable and what could cause a change in plans, namely postponing the game until Jan. 2, which is an absolute last resort.

This game is being played at Fenway whether you like it or not.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 29, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Except the weather forecast is if it rains on the 1st, it will rain on the 2nd.

The Garden isn’t available on the 2nd. And both teams are out of town playing on the 3rd.

So, despite pretending that those three quotes are the “worst case scenario”, the worst case is actually more likely than playing the game on Saturday: Being unable to play outside Friday AND Saturday.

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s the latest weather for Fenway.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/events/sports/tenday/38377:20?from=36hr_topnav_sports

According to current projections, the temperature will be above freezing from Thursday morning until late Friday night/Saturday morning. And precipitation from Thursday through to Sunday.

I’m not sure how that equipment works, but 40 and raining thursday and friday (not dropping below freezing for those 48 hours) seems to be a danger to totally wash out the ice on the rink.

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not good.

At least I don’t think so.

Just out of curiosity, may I ask why you have a problem with this game?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Because its a regular season game. It has no more meaning than any other game played before April. I’m tired of hearing about it. I don’t need a second by second countdown on this site to tell me four months in advance when the puck will be dropped. Its got nothing to do with hockey and yet it has monopolized coverage of the NHL for months, while actually degrading the quality of the game itself.

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait.

I can see being turned off by the hype, sure. But I don’t see how it “degrades the quality of the game.” Did it bother you this much when it was played in Buffalo and Chicago, or does it just seem oppressive because the Flyers are in it?

By the way, Saturday’s forecast calls for a 30% chance of “some snow showers.” If that’s true then they’ll likely get the game in then. They’ll just use the Zamboni every so often like they did in Buffalo.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/events/sports/wxdetail/38377:20?dayNum=4

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, Friday’s high is going to be 41. If they can’t play during the day, I’m sure the crew will work at night – when the high will be 28 – to get the ice ready. The high on Saturday will be 31.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 29, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t watch those games. But I know that they had to keep switching sides of the ice in Chicago because of the weather.

The above post I made about rain friday meaning rain saturday was in reference to the data as Travis posted. Then I realized, and linked to, the updated forecast, which basically has the storm arriving a day earlier now.

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The rink can hold up in 60 degree weather. That’s not the problem.

Rain and heavy, heavy snow, as I said in the article, are the only potential problems.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 29, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What temperature in combination with two days of rain?

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, there are 3 days of set up at Fenway to air it on NBC, so it can’t be moved inside. NBC started setting everything up for the broadcast today.

by JLS89 on Dec 29, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

The Garden is already set up for broadcast.

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know if the Garden is completely set up? Or just wired? Cameras and everything?

by JLS89 on Dec 29, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Does it really matter?

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I was just wondering cause that’s a lot of extra work for NBC to set up 2 places. I was thinking from a production side how the weather would effect the game, but it doesn’t really matter cause it’s still a few days away.

by JLS89 on Dec 29, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s probably a couple hours, at the most, to set up an arena.

by MarioD on Dec 29, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It takes about 6 hours to set up an arena but for large events (such as the Winter Classic) they have “set up” days for a couple of days before and after.

Hopefully we will have Flyers hockey on Friday outside and hope that it doesn’t rain!

by JLS89 on Dec 29, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, there are 65 cameras for the Winter Classic. It’s a much different set up than a regular hockey game.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 29, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that really necessary? 65?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 29, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Rain or shine, I’ll be there!

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by HockeyOutsiders on Dec 29, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

winter classic

anyone who doesn’t think an outdoor hockey game is the shit doesn’t like sports. . the hype is there because its great. there’s been what 4 of these things? it deserves the hype. i think mario d needs to focus on his homeland sport. the one where guys run around all game with low cut shorts and kick around a ball, you could hype that thing up with 2 lesbians making out on the sidelines and being displayed on the jumbo tron and i still wouldn’t go if you gave me 1000 dollars.. and P.S. they wont play the game at the garden. theres 38,000 people going to this game and the garden holds 17,000.. that is the dumbest thing to think that they would lose all that money and move it to the garden. saturday has no rain just snow. if its 2 fee of snow they will have the game. the only thing delaying the game is rain. the ice wont hold p all game if its pouring out.

by zwaney21 on Dec 30, 2009 2:16 AM EST reply actions  

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