Game 26, Preview and Open Thread: Welcome To Philadelphia, Coach - Washington Capitals at Philadelphia Flyers
Washington Capitals at Philadelphia Flyers, Dec 5, 2009 7:00 PM EST
#1 Washington Capitals (17-5-6, 40 pts) at #11 Philadelphia Flyers (13-11-1, 27 pts)
Wachovia Center - 7:00 PM EST - Philadelphia, PA
TV: CSN Philly HD
Radio: 610 WIP, XM 207
This is the open game thread.
Behind Enemy Lines: Japers' Rink

The John Stevens Era in Philadelphia is over. Tonight, the Peter Laviolette Era begins. And there's nothing like jumping into the fire against the best team in the East.
The Washington Capitals are in town, and in case you live under a rock, they're really good at hockey. 100 goals in 28 games. Just five losses all season long. They come into tonight's game winners of four straight, but they'll be without Alex Ovechkin, who is out serving the second game of a suspension. Former Flyer Mike Knuble is out with a broken finger as well.
For the Flyers, not much will change tonight from a systemic point of view. Laviolette has been coach for less than 24 hours, and he's been in town for just about that long, too. He skated the team hard this morning in a pregame skate in Voorhees and probably tried to get as much of the awkwardness out of the air as possible, but it's impossible to throw a whole new system down in one morning. That wouldn't be good for anybody and Laviolette knows that. Instead, he likely just laid the foundation for what he hopes turns into an aggressive forechecking style of hockey, while knowing that his new team won't have their new coaches philosophy down pat for at least a few practices.
So, if we won't see any big changes tonight, why should we expect the slumping Flyers to triumph over the Capitals? Well, if you don't think a huge message was sent to this team last night, you're dead wrong. They know that this is on their backs now. Expect them to come out hard, against an opponent they aren't too fond of, and give a 120 percent effort tonight.
If they can't do that after getting their coach fired, then why should we even bother?
After the jump, questions to answer, a look at the lines, and your starting goaltenders.
Flyers Line Combinations
Hartnell - Richards - Briere
JVR - Giroux - Carter
Carcillo - Pyorala - Asham
Nodl - Kalinski - Laperriere
Carle - Pronger
Coburn - Timonen
Bartulis - Parent
Starting Goaltenders
Questions To Answer
- How hard do the Flyers come out of the gate? There's no doubt they have a lot to prove tonight.
- Will they sustain the effort for the entire game?
- How does Ray Emery bounce back from several shaky outings?
- Does Kimmo Timonen show any signs of his broken toe?
- On an individual level, how do Mike Richards and Chris Pronger, the leaders of this team should be feeling the most blame for Stevens' firing, play this evening?
- Can the power play get out of its slump?
- How long does the shutout streak continue before the Flyers finally score?
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Pretty sure its Carter, but I guess we’ll see in a minute.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not much for “must win” games, but damn this would be a big one to win.
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What an epic understatement.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t even imagine how awkward it has to be when you’re the new coach. Especially in a situation like this.
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Hah.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Think Stevens is watching?
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Nah.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
How much of the blame for that first goal do we give Emery?
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I think that’s more on the Caps being awesome at hockey than on Lavy’s system. Too early for him to have much of an effect, really.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Especially since Laviolette didn’t install his system yet.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he had already implemented just a few smaller things like his forechecking and pinching stuff. Guess not.
I don’t think so. He said today he wasn’t trying to implement much.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Panaccio's title was misleading.
His story title was “Laviolette Wastes No Time Instilling New System”, yet his second paragraph admits the practice was only 40 minutes long and it included “very hard skating. Hard skating.” Then he gets a quote from Laviolette:
"Just some things, you want to start putting some little pieces in here and there, to create an identity you are looking for as a coach. You can’t climb that mountain in one day. But you can start that. We wanted to make a couple tweaks."
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I noticed that headline too. Bad work by the editor, I’d guess.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
this seems like one of those “get this **** out of your system” games
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions
Nothing has changed. They should be all over the Capitals right now on emotion alone.
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Before the game, a disheartening thought crept into my mind: What if they play after firing Stevens the way they played after they traded Upshall? They didn’t respond well to that “shakeup” at all, so why should they to this one?
Again, it looks like Pronger is the only one who is pissed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m really starting to wonder if we just suck.
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It makes you wonder, but there’s no way these guys actually suck. I think they need to be smacked across the face, Carter especially.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
A coach getting fired should be the slap in the face, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
haha, you are talking figuratively though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
If we lose tonight, I say give Elin Nordegren a goalie stick and let her have a few whacks.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
haha, I’ll admit I had to google her. I never knew her name.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
You guys hear the Tiger voice mail to his mistress? Basically telling her to take her name off of her voice mail message because his wife found the number and was going to call it.
The best part was at the beginning… “Hey, it’s Tiger”… like Tiger Woods needs to say who he is.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
lol. I loved the “Huge. Quickly.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, I don’t know why Carter isn’t getting scapegoated more.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Me neither. If I was John Stevens, Carter would be Lasse Kukkonen to me right now. Or Steve Downie, if you prefer.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
He’s also been on the ice for 22 even-strength goals against, leading all forwards.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
They just look sloppy. Even a scoring chance there by Richards and Hartnell looked sloppy. They aren’t controlling the play at all.
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maybe ya just gotta plant the seed and watch it grow?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no doubt. Still too early to overreact.
Not reassuring thus far, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
This fourth line and Kalinski have been good tonight.
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Kalinski always impressed me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
HEEEEY! Pyro!
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I forgot what this felt like.
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Fourth Line! That used to be a great sign that we were playing well.
Now it’s just further proof how much we suck.
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Echoing what Pronger said in the locker room after the Vancouver game, It’s embarrassing when the third line is better than the first line.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s hope that gets a load off their backs.
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Mike Green looks particularly obese tonight.
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Wow, Carcillo just decked Bradley.
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But it’s going to cost them. He got an initial penalty, and I’m sure he’s now gonna get an instigator, so this looks to be about 17 minutes of penalties or so.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, had that fight even started?
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They both dropped ‘em, but Bradley clearly wasn’t ready.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. He needs to get at least 5 for fighting
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Caps seriously need an enforcer.
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I was just saying that. But that was also a chicken shit move by Carcillo. Glove hadn’t even come off when he started swinging.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Laviolette letting his feelings be known.
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NOTHING ON BRADLEY?!
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9 minute power play? Jesus.
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did not know that a 9 minute powerplay was possible
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Me neither. I was just wondering what JJ said: Does the 5 minute start first, or after the minors?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Caps got one last year and squandered it against CGY.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a power play this long. My god.
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Agreed.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Two for Cross-Checking, Two for Instigating, Five for Fighting, 10 Minute misconduct, game Misconduct.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
carcillo racked up 29 PIMs says yahoo
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions
I think it could drop to 7 then 5?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
How do you get a fighting major without another player getting one?
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I thought it was possible, but I don’t remember it happening in over 5 years.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
PHI – 14:33, D. Carcillo (cross check – 2 min)
PHI – 14:33, D. Carcillo (fighting – 5 min)
PHI – 14:33, D. Carcillo (misconduct – 10 min)
PHI – 14:33, D. Carcillo (instigator – 2 min)
PHI – 14:33, D. Carcillo (game misconduct – 10 min)
apparently mr carcillo fought the air
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Unbelievable.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
money to the guy who had the over under on carcillo’s PIM at 28
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Rule 47: Fighting
47.1 Fighting – A fight shall be deemed to have occurred when at least one player (or goalkeeper) punches or attempts to punch an opponent repeatedly or when two players wrestle in such a manner as to make it difficult for the Linesmen to intervene and separate the combatants.
The Referees are provided very wide latitude in the penalties with which they may impose under this rule. This is done intentionally to enable them to differentiate between the obvious degrees of responsibility of the participants either for starting the fighting or persisting in continuing the fighting. The discretion provided should be exercised realistically.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
That makes absolutely no sense.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. But I did know the rule, not sure how Lavs and Richards didn’t.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
How does nothing come off the clock?
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Major starts counting first.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Stephane Auger
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So much for “home-team” bias.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
The worst part about this is it’s just down right unfair.
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im going to spare the Gary Bettman hates the Flyers speech
but Carcillo fought someone, and that someone should be in the box
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see the blame on Carcillo. He deserved a few penalties, obviously, but all that shit? Come on.
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He certainly deserved the Instigator and the cross-check. The fighting major was because he knocked the guy out cold. What’s ridiculous is Bradley not getting a fighting major.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thank god we at least got that one goal.
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If this Flyers team doesn’t come out with a ton of emotion in the second after that clusterfuck, and especially once it’s over, combined with the whole new coach situation, nothing will.
disagree
this game is for lack of a better term bullshit, and the NHL should be ashamed of itself for letting these clowns (officials) actually have a license to ref this game
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
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Bradley high-sticked Carcillo. The refs missed it. He’s the one who started it.
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I didn’t see that at all…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Neither did I and I’ve watched it several times on DVR already.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
It still doesn’t excuse Carcillo, but I’m of the opinion that Washington deserved a 4 minute PP and nothing more. If the refs missed a high stick, they missed it. But 9 minutes is… absolutely laughable.
And of course you give the highest scoring team 9 minutes of PP time. I’d be surprised if they only get 2.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I can understand that sentiment, Bradley did drop the gloves. But they literally hadn’t even hit the ice when Carcillo swung. Brads wasn’t square or able to defend himself so I’m cool with how it went. Plus I’m a Caps fan.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Not Carcillo’s fault if Bradley didn’t have time to defend himself. Maybe if he was really worried he wouldve kept the gloves on to defend himself.
His intent was to fight, and that’s what they did
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. It is his fault that he swung and punched a guy in the face before he was ready. It’s called “fighting” not “jumping.” Watch honorable fighters and you see they wait for the guys to square up. I’m sure you know this. You’ve seen your share of fights.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
You’re 100 percent correct, as much as I hate to say it.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
And the thing is, Carcillo would have ripped up Bradley in a fair fight. He didn’t even need the advantage like that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you’re definitely right.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve also seen fighters throw up their hands when they thought they were going to get punched. If the gloves are off and you’re not protecting yourself, I feel no pity. If Bradley kept the gloves on and Carcillo threw the punch, then theres a 9 minute power play
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I seriously need to invest in a DVR.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
It’s well worth it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed. I didn’t have one forever but I got it when I finally got an HD TV. Such a good idea.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
It’s only like 4 bucks a month with Comcast anyway, right?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Something like that. I’ll let you know when I finally get my bill.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think mine is $15…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Damn. I hope Travis is right. I wonder what the increased cost for HD is too.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well that sucks.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Ms. F&B is gonna need to start bringing in more money to support my hockey addiction.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
DVR and HD go hand in hand for me. That’s why mine is so much: I get the DVR box, but the HD is included.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I got, too. Like a week ago.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
DVR and HD go hand in hand for me. That’s why mine is so much: I get the DVR box, but the HD is included.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s just a one time thing. I believe I paid for the HD box once and I’m set.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
But there’s no bias, right? This is enough to make someone not want to watch the NHL anymore. They are doing everything they can to ruin their product and make it unwatchable!
You must not be from around here.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
no, but am I wrong? the replay is a little embarassing, and not just on Bradley for (yet another) short end of a mismatch.
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I think taking this incident and making a generalization is wrong, yes. And his lack of composure is a little embarrassing, but not enough to make the game unwatchable IMO.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Then again I’m an addict and I’ll watch Devils v. Blue Jackets if that’s the only game on.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
That was the most emotion anybody on this team has shown in two weeks.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
It was also psychotic and destructive and cost the team two goals. I’m unimpressed.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
You guys have seen that game before.
Carcillo destroys an opponent, Flyers pay for it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
But how does Lavs like it? This is going to be an interesting sub-plot to the new coach.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Most definitely. It’s intriguing, to say the least.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
… if Laviolette doesn’t like fighting then he’s not going to like what Carcillo just did. I wonder if, after he is suspended, we’ll ever see him play for the orange and black anymore.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Part of me wonders if that was Lavs’ former stance because he didn’t have guys that could actually fight. The quote J.P. posted was about Cole and Commodore fighting. I feel like Carcillo and Asham probably have more leeway.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
And I seriously doubt Holmgren and Snider would be down with such a pacifistic (is that a word?) attitude.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I have to imagine they had that discussion before handing him the pen.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I’m sure he’s not happy about it (He generally doesn’t like fighting, and this just cost him at least 2 goals) but what I expect is for him to tell Richards and Pronger they are strongly discouraged from fighting.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Right, guys that are important, play big minutes, and contribute shouldn’t fight is probably the rule. How often did Coburn fight under Stevens?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
haha, too often. Have you ever seen him fight? It’s worse than Backstrom.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. I figured he would be good at it. Just assumed with his size, skating, and toughness. Kinda funny that he’s not. Now I’m keeping my eyes out for it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, it’s bad: Link.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
That’s bad. Why is Rupp throwing when he’s on his back still? You know you just stung the guy.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Owen Nolan dropped him in the preseason. That says a lot, I think.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
I love Owen Nolan. He’s on my trade deadline radar if MIN doesn’t get it’s act together.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but he’s ancient, haha.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
And he’ll be broken by then. It’s probably not a good thing that he’s been one of my favorite players since NHL ’94.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t troll if you have nothing to add.
Use Fehr and Balanced as an example.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Can we please just ditch Carcillo on the side of the road soon? I am trying to be as objective as possible when I say that he is a useless piece of shit.
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They can trade Carcillo and Cote for a draft pick and a serviceable winger.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I think Cote’s trade value is approximately a bag of pucks.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
The goal was his fault, basically.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
In the middle of all this other shit, I think it’s fair to say we’ve got a pretty legit goalie controversy on our hands.
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New coach, “backup should be the starter,” players being “dirty,” yeah, this is Flyers hockey alright.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is comment of the night favorite so far.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Cue the circus music...
… cause HEEEEERE WE GO AGAIN!
Doot doot doodle-oodle-oot doot doo-doo, doot doot doodle-oodle-oot doot doo-doo…

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Heh, and it continues.
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wow
The Caps have fire power, but Emery has to come up with that one and probably one more.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions
Hey man, come on. If you didn’t know any better you wouldn’t be able to tell he’s a Caps fan.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
this reminds me a lot of District 5 under the helm of one Gordon Bombay
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions
Next we teach them to cheat!
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
take the fall, act hurt, get indignant!
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
But then we get new (Winter Classic) jerseys, get some talented but prissy kid who no one likes on a technicality (Crosby?) and become unstoppable.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
The comparisons are uncanny
In my mind Briere has always been that technicality
maybe Emery has to be tied up in net to not be afraid of the puck
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
PIM
Flyers – 31
Caps – 2
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Does this prove Bradley had time to react to Carcillo as the gloves came off?
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I’m sure i’ve already lost my credibility, but Bradley’s left hands seems to be free and capable to partially block Carcillo’s right hook
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Per the caps beat writer
Just watched the replay 5 times — Carcillo wound up for that punch while Bradley’s gloves were still on and he still had his stick.
"And next year it will be ours."
personally, i don’t think he did. i don’t disagree with carcillo’s penalties. bradley did drop the gloves though, and i think he should have been assessed 5. carcillo deserved to have his ass handed to him.
That’s pretty much how I feel about it.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
And for the record, my posting of this photo was to fuel the discussion, that’s all.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Carcillo’s elbow is already at his face. This stuff happens fast so the punch had already happened and Brads still doesn’t have a hold. How many times have you seen a guy punched while the gloves are still waste height?
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
i think its pretty clear to everyone that bradley had almost no chance to defend himself, gloves dropped or not. it was a cheap shot.
I like you.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Asham was just interfered with.
No penalty.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Saw that, and agree. Poti for interference on that one.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
This is definitely a crash course in how we suck.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
‘alright boys, get out there and show me what you lack!’
by beatniche on Dec 5, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I like you even more now! Great modification.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Er, nose if you want to be technical.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
A goal on this PP would keep us in the game. Some how, some way…
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Giroux yet to score at home this year.
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The PP at least showed some life…
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Holy shit Emery. Pull him.
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Get. Him. Out. Of. There.
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Too bad we can’t use Julie The Cat Gaffney until the shootout…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
just trying to find a picture that adequately represents tonight
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
The best part of that, btw, would be that the whole Wach would have to wait for her to let everyone know whether or not she got scored on. Because you just never know.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not gonna lie, I’m pretty pumped for Lavy’s presser tonight.
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lol. “They are who I thought they were!” leading into the Herb Brooks version of “Again!”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Man, how awesome would that be in an NHL arena after a game?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
John Stevens should have done that on Thursday. Lavy should do that tonight.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Asham for Captain. Discuss.
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Asham and Captain almost rhyme, so yeah, I’m down.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nice.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Firing Stevens should have happened before Vancouver
This way we would have had time to get our act together and learn some of the new system.
Instead, tonight, then Montreal on Monday and games every other night after that…
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Don’t we play Pittsburgh this week too? Or is that next week?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously — if Emery’s not the answer, what are they going to do?
by memphisbrando on Dec 5, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Biron.
And I’m not kidding, no.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Trade the approximately two draft picks the Flyers still have for Biron, waive Emery, lower ticket prices by a lot and call it a year.
I like that last part.
At least we have the Winter Classic to look forward to, right?
Right?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes all you can do is laugh.
And look for razor blades.
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I never thought I'd say this.
This team sucks.
Mario, I’m sorry I ever disagreed with you. We are poorly constructed.
Listen to the crowd. You can hear a pin drop. It’s beyond frustration.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m trying not to get too low. Different game without that 9 minute PP.
It’s hard, though.
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Changed the momentum, though. We had it before the “fight”
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, you’re totally right.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Look for a story tomorrow on when all this shit went south. Anyone have theories to suggest?
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I’ve got two solutions to our goalie issues

and

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions
How bout Kenan dressed up as the goalie slash stealth knucklepucker?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
heres my other suggestion

russ tyler is coming up
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, an awful lot of you have given up. I’m disappointed. It’s very obvious that the team flat out quit tonight. This isn’t a fair representation of their talent, or their construction. What this is though, is a fair representation of their heart and maturity.
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That's the problem.
They have zero heart to go along with all of their talent.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
How would you like to be a fly on the wall in the lockerroom after this game?
by doubleh on Dec 5, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember Calgary last year?
This is the spoiled kids being defiant one last time before they get taken out back to the shed for a serious beating. One at a time!
Laviolette is gonna need a bigger belt
by Prometheus74 on Dec 5, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
lol, That’s exactly what I said when the game was only 1-0.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
“Some of my players did not like the Wachovia Center. In fact, Dan Carcillo stole a book of matches and tried to burn it down! But I… CORRECTED him. And when Mike Richards stepped in and tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I… CORRECTED him too…”

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Auger gets a puck to the brain. Didn’t see it, but the result doesn’t look good.
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So who would you scratch on Monday to make a point?
May I suggest a player with a certain letter sewn on his sweater? Sure, it’s benching one of the better players, but I think it would send a strong message.
Not who you’re insinuating, but I would bench Carter.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
cheers when he goes down and boos when he gets up Flyers fans rule
9 minutes of PP karma has a funny way of coming back to get you
I’m gonna disagree with the first sentence, but agree with the second.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
ahh come on jefe, that’s a little bit mean spirited. The Caps aren’t exactly the Michael Irvin of our time
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not so much. Pucks to the head rarely justify cheers.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Thank god we scored. 7-0 would be infinitely worse.
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Briere just crunched Erskine. Can we seriously stop bashing him for being a prima dona now? I mean, he got suspended, has stayed pretty healthy (for him), and is throwing his weight around. I suggest we all bring him out of the dog house now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
I am tired of everyone harping on him and the trade him now crap. He is one of the only guys giving 100% night in/night out.
haha, I didn’t come around to him tonight, I just finally decided to speak up and defend him after a 7-1 game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly due to his cap hit and injuries last year. That made everyone ignore what he does well and focus on his shortcomings. But yeah, I agree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
injuries aside, he performs well. he has been taking stupid penalties and had that issue last year as well, but i think its more a product of him trying to play physical despite his obvious lack of size. i think he is often unjustly criticized.
I feel like if Briere were making half as much money as he is making we would never have harped on him as much as we have.
But his salary amount is not his fault. The Flyers gave him the money. If anything, people should harp on Homer.
I know one person who does.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Think Lavvy will make them do suicides/wind sprints until they die?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions
I can only hope. Or until he hears “Chris…Pronger…Dryden, Ontario…And I play…for the… Philadelphia Flyers!”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Im glad this game has become a compilation of hockey movies that we’ve decided to throw together
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Makes me wonder…did Laviolette get roped into this gig because of a DUI?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe they’re all about to go to boarding school! They’re certainly JV caliber right now.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely. Which is why it’s so apropos.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
maybe the Flyers should play on a pond, that sure helped that team from Alaska!
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Laviolette vs. Boudreau. Three Bar. Winner take all.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
You owe me a new volleyball Stinson!
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Whenever he gets off his impending suspension, look for Carcillo to get a “2 minutes for Roping” pretty quickly.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I actually thought Carcillo would be the only man in Boston high school history to take his skate off and try to stab someone
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
That makes a whole lot more sense.
Now we just need some little Asian figure skater, or possibly a sibling duo.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Bleh, yes.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I will say this for Cote—he doesn’t often do dumb stuff. He knows his limits. Unlike a certain other Flyer I could name…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
This team reminds me of the movie that’s filled with Oscar-winning actors with a huge budget that, before it’s released, is being talked about as being the best movie of all time. Then it hits theaters and flops, losing it’s production company millions and millions of dollars in the process.
Yes, the Flyers are “Heaven’s Gate.”
i don’t really understand why so many people hated on B.E, i watched it, it was bad but nothing I haven’t seen before
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well, “Heaven’s Gate” and “Ishtar” were both horrible, so they fit the description well. I just think Travolta’s acting is pretty bad, which is why “B.E.” wasn’t great.
I liked Barry Pepper, and Im a general fan of apocalyptic fiction. The worst thing I’ve ever seen is 1998 Godzilla
Hurt my eyes
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Barry Pepper is very underrated.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I loved him in Enemy of the State and 25th Hour.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
To bad he didn’t get the memo that when the big angry tank is starting to aim at you in the belltower, it generally means bad things are a comin
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
But Travolta in Pulp Fiction is amazing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
What do they call a quarter pounder in France?
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Marcellus threw a man out of a window for massaging his wife’s feet?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
“You’re gonna go home, jerk off, and that’s all your gonna do.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha, I’ve been laughing for like two minutes straight. thanks.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
One of my favorite movies of all time.
“I’ll be back before you can say blueberry pancakes”
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
“Oh shit, I shot Marvin in the face.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
lol, wow. wow.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Clement says if he were coach, his goal for this period would not be to “win 20 minutes,” his goal would be to beat up the Caps.
Amen to that.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Al Morganti in the intermission: “Maybe there’s a big comeback we’re talkin about in the postgame.” HA
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Not that its gonna happen tonight, but have we come back from a 3rd period deficit and won yet this year?
Nope.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, hockey game, right?
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This should be a running clock situation.
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Oh COME ON
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
haha, I thought you only drank during bad games?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
lol. I bust out the whiskey in the bad ones.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you consume it intravenously at this point.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
If I’m John Stevens, it’s hard for me not to smile tonight.
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Comeback time wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Oh yeah.
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Yessir.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
lol, the Caps announcer just said that tomorrow’s Redskins game is a good quarterback match up… they are playing New Orleans.
lol, silly Redskins
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a good thing they have the Caps down there because the rest of their sports scene is pretty bleak.
Ben put that fanshot up about a month ago where the DC Council dedicated a day because of the Caps “winning season”
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
That’s like saying Carcillo v Bradley was a good fighter matchup.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
What is Hartnell doing with Kalinski and Nodl?
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I though about asking the same question but then I looked at the scoreboard and decided thinking was a bad idea tonight.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of wiss that went off of nodl, so it went o a player who deserves it.
by JpH89 on Dec 5, 2009 9:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
To finish what CoburnsCuddleBuddy started, the third Flyer goalie prospect:

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I am not worthy! Can this photo describe the night any better?
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
It really couldn’t.
New idea. Laviolette takes them to play some schoolyard puck, so they can get back in touch with their inner city roots.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
honestly, i dont think inner city puck even exists anymore
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Did it ever?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Someone created a fake Coatesy Twitter account.
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hahahahaha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
hahah, oh man.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahaha
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Laughing about them running into each other at the blue line?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, haha.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
The Sixers are about to win.
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anyone think there is a chance carcillo gets suspended for introducing bradley’s nasal cavity to his cerebral cortex?
It’s possible. Automatic review due to the Game misconduct, plus he’s a “repeat offender”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
In a word, yes.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
A chance? I’d guarantee it.
Like the Mens Warehouse guy.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Green jumps up and down like his team has never scored a goal before, let alone that they’ve scored 8 tonight.
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21 saves have been made by Philadelphia goaltenders tonight. Believe it.
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Saving almost 70%. Could be worse?
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Amazingly, after this loss the Flyers will fall to .500
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Phoenix had to rise from its own ashes
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 5, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Caps are officially 4 for 6 on the PP. How bout them PK numbers?
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Maybe carel can catch the snitch for the automatic wins.
by JpH89 on Dec 5, 2009 9:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nah, that’s only 150 points. Might not be enough tonight.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what you’re talking about…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I should have stated that as well, but I always counted on Richie to at least play defense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Remember the first thirty seconds of this game when it seemed within reach? Those were good times.
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i think they should schedule a closed door, players only meeting to sort out their issues so they can get everything worked out and come into next game energized and ready to turn things around.
that’ll really light a fire under them.
You mean like when Richards held a closed-door meeting after the last game while Stevens held his press conference?
The next game is in Montreal, so that might work
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 5, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I think they should let Laviolette in that meeting, if only to listen.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 5, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I love JJ and Jonesy fellating Carter right now. “The effort is there.” HA!
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give him some credit, he is standing, usually, often has his hands on the stick and occassionally that stick is on the ice. he puts on that equipment, despite knowing he will have to take it off anyway after the game. his helmet is generally on. he seems to be hygienic. he appears to shave regularly.
by beatniche on Dec 5, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
The Flyers outshot the Caps.
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haha!
Wait, really? I can hear John Stevens now, “I thought we played well. We got our chances, just couldn’t finish. We outshot them, you know.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
The Capitals went on to hand the Flyers an embarrassing 8-2 defeat, giving Peter Laviolette the worst head coaching debut in Flyers history.
Only Edmonton’s Ted Green had a worse NHL debut with a new club, a 9-2 defeat on Oct. 4, 1991.
There’s that positive thinking!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 5, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s close up shop here. Move the comments over to the recap…
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2009/12/5/1187394/flyers-embarrassed-in-laviolettes
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