Interesting Post-Game Quotes
by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 6, 2009 12:35 AM EST
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PrintJust a few quotes to think about while waiting for Travis to give a full recap - if one is even necessary.
As is typical after a demoralizing loss, players get asked a variety of questions. Here are just a few of them with one players' answers:
On where the team is a quarter of the way through the season: "A lot of the negative on our team right now is self-inflicted, it’s not because we’re going up against teams a lot better than us. We’re going against ourselves a lot of games."
On the meeting: "It was more along the line of we have to figure our (stuff) out."
On the frustration: "We’re still working on stuff we’ve been trying to work on since day one."
On whether the team is repeating it’s pattern from last season, when they dug a hole and had to rally to make the playoffs: "We’ve got to start playing better if we want to even see the playoffs this year."
On whether new coach, new systems had changed anything: "A little different… We’re pro athletes we should be able to adjust and do the things that make us successful."
Standard answers, but self-reflective ("we're going against ourselves a lot of games"), showing some anger ("we have to figure our shit out"), showing maturity ("We're pro athletes, we should be able to adjust"), and showing some honesty ("if we want to even see the playoffs this year.")
Now, would it surprise you at all that the player giving those answers didn't play in Philadelphia tonight? Probably not -- that guy is too mature to be on this team. Well, surprise! That's Jonathan Matsumoto. The center constantly overlooked by the Flyers organization in favor of Jared Ross, Andreas Nodl, and Jonathon Kalinski. He's not even the Captain of the Phantoms.
Since I blatantly ripped this from Tim McManus' post over at the Post-Star, I might as well post his intro:
I feel like a broken record. There isn’t much new I can add to the record after the Phantoms latest defeat, their sixth in their last seven. They can’t score, the intensity isn’t there, blah blah blah. You can read more of the bitter details in my game story.
Coach Greg Gilbert held a long meeting with the players after the game. The doors didn’t open for about 20 minutes. I didn’t have much to ask him: it’s been the same questions/answers for a month.
I turned to Jon Matsumoto, now in his third full season with the team, and the best player so far this year.
Any of this sound familiar?
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Read some things over at Jasper’s Rink, they do enjoy kicking when the Flyers are down. I feel as if there is an odd transition happening right now. After all, the cure the problems which ail you, you must recognize the problems first. Tonight was an odd turn of events. Was Bradley going to fight? Yes. Did Carcillo prematurely jump the gun and punch Bradley before the proverbial ring sounded the beginning of the fight? Probably.
These are the risks that are taken with a player like Carcillo. He can antagonize and disrupt the opposition a la Sean Avery, or he can antagonize and get the penalties called against you, a la Carcillo of old. I believe that Carcillo does have a place on this Flyers team. He most likely won’t be able to get the splinters out of his ass over the next couple of games.
To blame this loss on Carcillo is a mistake. It was a complete failure of the whole team, the type of thing that you see with a team that lacks an identity. I am a firm believer that Lavvy will do for us what Disco Dan for the Penguins last year (remember, Bylsma lost his first game with Pittsburgh to the ISLANDERS) while installing a new system, then they proceeded to go 18-3-3 down the stretch. Do I think we are that lucky? No. Do I think we’re a more talented team than that team? Yes. All that the Flyers have to do, is win that 8th seed. The playoffs are a crapshoot as the Pens showed us last season (Remember the ECF with Carolina).
Point is: We have the talent to turn it around, we have the coach who wants it to turn it around, but do the players want to turn it around? I don’t think Pronger will allow these antics to prolong, so in the end I believe the players will turn it around, and this team for a lack of a better term will “fly”. I’m not going to break down screen caps, I’m not going to break down who started what fight. This team has each other to blame, simple as that.
Good months ahead for the flyers. Only way we can go is up
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 6, 2009 2:16 AM EST reply actions
I don’t think Pronger will allow these antics to prolong
He’s been trying to get rid of them for a while. It’s not working. That’s the problem.
motivational comment late at night
whoops
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 6, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
they do enjoy kicking when the Flyers are down
Just want to mention that I for one am very nervous whenever Washington plays Philly since Philly always plays them so well (not counting last night, of course). Record and recent play notwithstanding, Philly’s skating depth is second-to-none. They’ll be in playoff position (5th if you ask me, behind three division leaders and another Atlantic team) by April and a dangerous April-May team once again.
by red army line on Dec 6, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
they do enjoy kicking when the Flyers are down
Everyone enjoys kicking when the Flyers are down.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
which will make the January and February rise oh so sweeter
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 6, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
we suck. I know its an immature and oversimplifyng statement, but its basic fact right now. We’ve lost what is it…8/9? We’ve had team meeting after team meeting, weve fired our coach, and we come out and lose 8-2 to a rival team playing without its best player. Sure theres nowhere to go up, sure they have the talent to turn it around. But right now this is just a bad hockey team. We suck.
Just Embarrassing
Are you Serious??? How much money do these guys make to put on a performance like that. Bottom line they beat us 8-2 without Alexander O. Emery is in such a funk but I have always been against the butterfly he should be standing up more he is constantly getting beat high so I guess the butterfly is not working.
The defense looks horrible and it is so many different things. One thing is not clearing the front of the net and letting our goalies get hit and messed with. We have Pronger, Timmonen, Coburn all big defenseman that don’t hit anyone and don’t make the opposition think twice about sitting infront of our net or ramming it in. Second thing is they are horrible at getting it out of the zone this is something the flyers have struggled with for years.
Now the offense for god sake we don’t need four lines and four guys that fight or are claimed fighters that don’t fight and take bad penalties. Carcillo might have been the worst move ever. We clearly miss Upshall more than anyone he was a spark plug. I am fine with keeping Ian and Asham but Cote and Carcillo can go. Hartnell is a tough one he has great heart and speed but chooses to take penalties that are bad and at bad times. he is a guy that should be on the fourth line if he takes a bad one. And I really feel like we have a center problem they just don’t seem to win important face offs like a Rod Brindamour or Michael Handzus did. Carter looks lost he is so predictable right now which means he is overthinking everything he does. Richards just has a lot on his shoulders and is trying to do it all by himself he needs to grow as a captain and yell at his boys, light a fire under their ass fight them in the locker room. He is like a parent you can’t be friends with your children be a leader.
The last thing is they have suffered some major injury setbacks. i have been down on Gagne I think he should have been traded when he was worth something. He was an injury waiting to happen one that we could not afford to happen. And Powe by far was the best player this season and is a huge loss. I like Pyrola he is a hard worker and with some points will help the team out he just can’t get the point flow started and that sucks. Again I was willing to wait I think this game showed you that it wasn’t the coach and that Stevens was a scapegoat to a much bigger problem.
first of all they have played so sporadically it has totally left the team without any rythmn and something that should be looked at. I remember early on the rangers had played like 10 games and the flyers were at 5 infact one week they played a game and then the next game wasn’t for a week later what is that about. When they start playing everynight consistantly this team will click. But until then no one is safe and trades maybe coming because Paul Holgrem is on the clock and he wants his job.
Take the loss with some perspective
Yeah, that got ugly last night. But in retrospect it looks like the Flyers were trying to implement bits of Lav’s system, but still had parts of the old system in play, and in the end ended up doing neither. In the NHL, if you’re not executing the system, you’re screwed.
In particular, when the Pens changed coaches last year, they lost their first game (to the Isle, which is like getting stomped by a real team); they also barely won against the Canadiens, who were playing very poorly at the time, in their next game. It took them like 5-6 games to really get rolling.
And I fully believe this team will get rolling.
All teams get blown out from time to time. It happens. The Caps got some lucky goals and it all just kind of snowballed. There’s too much talent on the Flyers for it to happen very often. All teams go through spells where they play badly. The Flyers are stuck in one now. The good news is that they end.
Caps fan here, of course, so take it for what it’s worth.
Regarding Carcillo, Bradley didn’t high stick and didn’t have his gloves off when he got punched. So I think the 9 minutes was deserved. Given the reaction of Lav and Richards, I doubt you see an encore.
Peace.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
Except its really not a new system. It make be changes in execution, but its the same style.
The Penguins changed from a defensive system to an attacking system.
Except if you read the link in the top post on the front page it’s pretty clear that Lavs is implementing a new system. Maybe you can email Richards, Briere, and Hartnell and explain to them that it’s actually the same system they were already playing. They’re probably just confused, go straighten them out.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
Learn how to read:
Peter is a real intense man. We were out there practicing, [and] he is almost moving his feet more than we were. He wants action; he wants a lot of stuff happening around the puck, a lot of ‘go’ on the offense. I think this intensity is going to be contagious.
There’s the top post on the front page. NOT A SINGLE THING about a new system.
While some players said the system changes aren’t that different, Chris Pronger felt they were.
"The system is just completely different, and the way he wants to play, it needs to be more up-tempo, more skating, more outlet passes, guys getting available for and wanting the puck," Pronger said.
Pronger says it’s completely new.
Analyze what he said: tempo, skating, etc.
Not the system itself. It’s like saying a football team is changing systems because they’re going to line up 3 wide receivers instead of two wide outs and a tight end. Its still a passing offense.
Sounds the same to me. IMO, change in mentality or change in style = change in system.
By the way, that football analogy leaves exactly how many “systems” ?
by red army line on Dec 7, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
“Analyze what he said”: “The system is just completely different.” But no, “the system itself” isn’t different.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 7, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Except if you read the link in the top post on the front page
Learn how to read
Broad Street Hockey - SB Nation's Philadelphia Flyers Blog. Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Beat me to it. Both of you. In Mario’s defense, clicking the link and then reading is slightly different from just reading.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
Oh no, I read the link.
No one in that link suggests its a new system of hockey in place.
Just because you don’t understand the difference between two attacking systems doesn’t make your ignorance correct.
The difference between two attacking systmes
So wait, there’s two systems? And neither of them are new? No WONDER this team couldn’t figure anything out under Stevens.
Oh, wait, you meant Stevens’ attacking system and Laviolette’s attacking system? Isn’t that… Ah, nevermind.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 7, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
MarioD – No one in that link suggests its a new system of hockey in place.
Danny Briere – Right now, we are going through the basics, the emotions and the new systems.
Kevin Kurz – Although his systems are different from his predecessor…
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
I’m tired of this idiocy.
Its an attacking, forechecking system. Which is the same thing they played before. It’s not a different system. It’s a different way of playing the same type of system. Everything the players said was about how there’s a little bit different positioning, or first pass, etc. Nothing about a new system of hockey.
And for that reason, the Flyers continue to fail miserably.
I'm tired of this idiocy too.
“Everything the players said was about how there’s a little bit different positioning, or first pass, etc. Nothing about a new system of hockey.”
Including Chris Pronger saying, “The system is just completely different.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
And I fully believe this team will get rolling.
Word.
Pronger/Carle and Coburn/Timmonen comprises the best top 4 in the Eastern Conference, in my opinion as a Caps fan. That’s the only quartet that scares me from the blueline heading into the playoffs, barring an unforeseen emergence from another team. Really, the only teams in the NHL that can claim similar top 4 strength are Calgary and perhaps the Blackhawks.
The Flyers have forward depth coming out of their ears. You’re so deep down the middle that you have two guys (Giroux and Briere) that would be 1C on some teams and at least 2C on just about every team playing wing or 3rd line. JVR is emerging. Hartnell scores the dirty goals down low. Gagne is going to come back, hopefully speed intact. Carter isn’t going to continue shooting such a low percentage.
We already know this personnel group is deadly on the PK and on the PP. That will improve. Too much talent to avoid it, it’s really a matter of time before it starts clicking.
Add even a small improvement from the goalies and this team is primed for a run and frankly, they scare me in the playoffs. Depth and defense are key on the road towards the Cup and the Flyers have both in spades.
None of this gives me pleasure; I’m a Caps fan, afterall. Just callin’ it how I see it.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions
Personally, I didn’t expect to win that game against the Caps. It’s going to take a few games to surpass the feeling out process of coach and players- out with the old system and in with the new. A change like that doesn’t happen overnight. However, once things calm down I fully expect this team to explode. We’ve got the talent and it’s just a matter of time before we get our confidence back, and when that happens I pity any team that plays us. Right now it’s a 50/50 shot we’ll win anything with this slump we’re in, but we’ve made one very important change and that’s getting a good coach in here. It’s only December now but I expect this team to be in 4th place come playoff time, and though I don’t think we can catch the Pens before they playoffs start I do know we will be able to beat them sorry and eliminate them this year. Have some confidence in this team because it’s only a matter of time, and if the Pens can go on a run like they did when they got Dan B then we sure as hell can too because like I’ve been saying since the season started- when we play our game we can beat ANY team in this league in a seven game series. Count on it.
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