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Riley Cote: Nice Guy, But Useless

I'm probably just stating what we already know, but Riley Cote has no worth on the Philadelphia Flyers.

It's really a shame, too, because Riley is truly a great guy. He does a ton of work in the community and works with several charities, especially those involved with fighting against multiple sclerosis, which his sister has. And his hockey career has been one that's defined by hard work and determination.

After playing his junior hockey with Prince Albert of the Western Hockey League from 1998 to 2002, Cote's eligibility ran out. He had not been drafted by an NHL team, something he calls a "blessing in disguise" today. He walked on to Toronto Maple Leafs training camp that year and left with a job. It was a Central Hockey League job, but a job nonetheless.

Playing for the Memphis Riverkings of the CHL, Cote tallied up the penalty minutes. He sat in the box for 241 minutes in 51 regular season games. After the Leafs passed him up the following season, he got another chance in Columbus. The Blue Jackets signed him to a two-way contract with their AHL club in Syracuse. He never played in the NHL that year, in fact playing most of his games with the organization's ECHL affiliate in Dayton. But the ECHL was a step up from the CHL, and Cote made his name known in that league.

It was in his time in Dayton that I first saw Riley play hockey. I was a season ticket holder of the Atlantic City Boardwalk Bullies, and Dayton came to town quite a bit. Cote was one of the better players on the Bombers, and he had a knack for ticking you off with his play. I always referred to him as one of those players who you'd love to have play for your team, but you'd hate to play against. Even from the stands, I could realize how hard Cote worked. My seats were right near the visiting team's tunnel, and as the Bombers walked back to the dressing room, I can distinctly remember seeing the fire in Cote's eyes. I was impressed by him. His hair was a little shorter back then, too.

For Cote to stand out to me, a visiting fan in an ECHL city, who saw hundreds of different players walk into the arena that season alone, is impressive. You can imagine how I felt the following season when he was signed by the Philadelphia Phantoms.

Star-divide

He quickly turned into a fan favorite in Philadelphia. His hard-working, physical style was perfect for this town. He played 61 games in 2004-05 with the Phantoms, tallying up 280 penalty minutes. That's a helluva number. He was a key role player -- an assistant captain, even -- in the team's run to the Calder Cup that season, and the following year, with the NHL lockout over, he would finally break through to the NHL. He played just eight games, but the following season, he stuck for good. He's been with the Flyers ever since.

And that's where the problems arise.

He doesn't score. Obviously. In 150 NHL games, Cote has one goal and six assists. It's a shame, too, because way back in juniors, while pugnacity still defined his game, he did show an ability to put pucks in the net. Some offensive prowess, if you will. Unfortunately, those skills never carried over to the pro ranks, as they so often fail to with so many players.

But it's the one thing he does do well, the fighting, that he in fact doesn't do well.

 

We could all cite about 20 different videos of Cote's fights in which he puts in a showing like this. But now we have some numbers to cite, as well.

Jonathan Willis at Hockey Or Die! has compiled a few numbers for fighters who fought at least ten times last season. Compiling numbers from the voting at hockeyfights.com, Willis tried to figure out the best and worst fighters in the league. Who had the most losses last season, of all the fighters in the NHL?

Yep, Riley Cote.

  • Most Losses: Riley Cote, Philadelphia Flyers (5-14, 26.3%)
  • Runner-Up: Jared Boll, Columbus Blue Jackets (5-11, 31.3%)
  • Riley Cote carried on the Flyers’ penchant for dropping the gloves, but his success rate left something to be desired, as he accumulated more losses than any other player in the league.

    When 5 minutes, 38 seconds is the most time on the ice you've seen in a game all season and the only thing you're on the roster to do is fight, you need to win those fights. If you can't, you serve no purpose. It's become clear over his NHL career that Riley Cote cannot fight NHL enforcers. He may be a great guy, but John Stevens was too. It's time to part ways.

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If anyone could explain to me who you replace Cote on the roster, I’m all on board with getting rid of him.

But the guy makes the minimum salary, plays roughly 40 games a year, and is still a clubhouse attribute.

Who else fits that definition?

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Players earning as much or less than Cote:

Ryan Dingle ($550k), Zac Rinaldo ($550k), Rob Bellamy ($532,500), Pat Maroon ($528,333), David Laliberte ($518,333), Matt Clackson ($507,500), Jason Ward ($500k), Jared Ross ($500k), or Josh Beaulieu ($498,333).

You want scoring? Maroon, Laliberte, or Ward.

You want a clubhouse attribute? Ross is the Phantoms Captain, Ward is a veteran presence.

You want fights? Clackson (33 last year), Rinaldo (16 last year, 7 this year).

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So you want to take one of those young players and stunt their development by only dressing them for half of the season?

And they’ll be okay with that?

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Clackson has 3 points in 23 games, Dingle has 3 points in 16 games. Rinaldo has 7 points in 26 games in the OHL. None of those guys need “developing” any more than Cote needs developing. Ross pretty much hit his ceiling, so any development would be marginal, and Ward isn’t developing at all any more.

Maroon, Laliberte, Bellamy, and Beaulieu I would not want up if they aren’t going to play, but while Carcillo is suspended, why not bring them up for a week and send them back down?

It’s not black and white, someone you call up has to sit in the press box for half the season. If you want Cote in the locker room, keep him in the press box during games. There’s no reason for him to be on the ice. Anything he brings to the team, someone else can bring. Things he is unable to do, other people can do. When the team is healthy, leave Cote as a healthy scratch and send any of those guys back down.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So you want to pay Cote $500k to never dress?

I don’t understand what points has to do with developing as a hockey player. One of those guys is in the OHL and you think he’s fully developed?

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

To teach the team that their likable personalities are not going to equate to Job Security. So that the rest of the cool guys have to start putting in more effort and becoming more accountable for their daily actions!

by Prometheus74 on Dec 8, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want to pay Cote at all. But your question was who else fits that description. What I’ve outlined is a scenario where Cote can be an emergency guy (i.e. someone gets sick on the plane to Dallas or a player gets injured in warmups, and there isn’t enough time to get someone from Adirondack) but the team can call up someone in the event that they KNOW Carcillo is out for four games.

Either way, you’re paying Cote $500k to play 5 minutes a game (if that much) for 40 games. Not a good use of salary space.

Points having to do with developing: Neither Clackson or Rinaldo are known for anything other than fighting. What do they have to develop? They have no offensive game and they won’t ever. And if we’re again trying to find someone who does what Cote does, what more do they need to “develop” in order to be Riley Cote?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither Clackson or Rinaldo are known for anything other than fighting. What do they have to develop? They have no offensive game and they won’t ever. And if we’re again trying to find someone who does what Cote does, what more do they need to "develop" in order to be Riley Cote?

So then let’s bring up a different person to do the exact same thing Cote does and hope they have the same chemistry effect? How is that an improvement?


But your question was who else fits that description. What I’ve outlined is a scenario where Cote can be an emergency guy (i.e. someone gets sick on the plane to Dallas or a player gets injured in warmups, and there isn’t enough time to get someone from Adirondack) but the team can call up someone in the event that they KNOW Carcillo is out for four games.

I can’t figure out how many guys are on the roster? If there’s room right now to call someone up, then this discussion is moot. It’s on Paul Holmgren to call someone up for these (now 3) games. That doesn’t fit Riley’s role as I’m describing it.

And it doesn’t make sense, if there is an extra roster space, to say that Riley has to go.

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, you asked who fit that description. I told you. There are at least 9 guys who make as much or less money than Riley Cote who can be a clubhouse attribute and play roughly 40 games a year.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Except most of those 9 guys you’ve agreed need the experience of playing more than 8 games a month.

Which leaves those three players. If none of those players are better than Riley Cote, then what’s the point?

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Maroon, Laliberte, Bellamy, and Beaulieu I would not want up if they aren’t going to play, but while Carcillo is suspended, why not bring them up for a week and send them back down?

Completing the circle.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And Laliberte was called up to play tonight.

Soooo, the complaints about Cote are a moot point.

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

A man who averages 3:24 of ice time a game is not worth having. Period.

Either let him skate more and prove that he can occasionally handle (perish the thought) 6-10 minutes in a game without being a major detriment, or bring up someone who can.

by eeeeee on Dec 8, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But that person won’t get to play. So, who do you want to bring up, and then not let them get the experience of playing??

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

They would play more then Cote, no matter who they bring up

by JpH89 on Dec 8, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No, they wouldn’t. They would still be the 14th player on the depth chart.

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

“They would still be the 14th player on the depth chart.”

When the entire team is healthy. Right now, they would be the 12th player on the depth chart. And I’d imagine they play more than 2:57 a game. As any of Nodl, Kalinski, Laliberte, and Ross have all averaged more than 7 minutes a game. So, the 15th, 16th, 17th, and 18th players on the depth chart play more than Cote, but no matter who they bring up “wouldn’t” play more than Cote. Wrong.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Depth charts don’t change due to injury…

When I say “play more than Cote” I’m talking about dressing more than 40 games, not TOI.

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No, of course. Because when you say “play” you mean “dress”, not “be on the ice, playing the game of hockey.”

Got it.

So, clearly Cote “plays” more than Kalinski, since Cote has “dressed” for 9 games, while Kalinski has “dressed” for 4. But Cote has “been on the ice, playing the game of hockey” for 30:39, while Kalinski has “been on the ice, playing the game of hockey” for 28:14.

Semantics.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know why this is a difficult concept.

They need a player who will make the league min and be in the press box for 40 games a season without complaining, but be on the roster all year to fill in.

Is there a more talented player in the OHL, ECHL, AHL, or NHL who will be able to do that?

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you need to win those fights

Why?? What does winning a fight accomplish that losing doesn’t?

Just under 2/3 of voters think Cote lost his fight last night.

Yet it was pretty obvious he fired up the team.

by MarioD on Dec 8, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

You hit the nail on the head here. He’s a great locker room presence. That more than anything else keeps him around I think.

by Mike B on D on Dec 8, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We lost last night. I dont blame Cote, but I give him no credit either.
We have won a lot of games without fights firing up the team.
A lot of Stanley cup champion teams have won games without someone like Cote to fire them up
Sometimes a fight is necessary, but 45 second in is not the time, and we still have 7 other players who are more than ready to drop the gloves when it is really needed!
I think the boys know his time is up and they cheered for his swan song.
However They should have focused more on their own responsibilities and played better!

by Prometheus74 on Dec 8, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

These guys are PRO hockey players – they should not need to have a “likeable” guy hanging around the locker room in order to excel at their jobs.
I think most of them would understand why Cote is cut (if that happens)

by SanDiegoScraps on Dec 8, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you. Except when Upshall was traded, that theory seemed to fail.

I wish they would understand, but this current group seems to lack some… focus? maturity? understanding it’s a business?

Either way, you SHOULD be right, I just think something is wrong with this team that prevents them from acting like pro hockey players after losing a friend (Upshall and Stevens as the main examples).

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Riley Cote: nice guy hot wife, but useless

by philiafan14364 on Dec 8, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with Mario… when trying to provide a spark for your team, as long as the “loser” is at leaset competitive, it makes no difference whether you win or not. I think the team feeds off Riley’s heart and fearlessness. He’s undersized compared to Boogard, Brashear, etc. but goes out and takes all comers anyway.

Now if you’re trying to inflict retribution for a cheap hit on one of your skill players, it would be nice to provide a sound beating to that opposing player.

by AR_16 on Dec 8, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

The Team is FULL of nice guys (On and off the ice) who have likable personalities. From a fans perspective, a good personality must equate into a “Character teammate”, and good person to have in the lockeroom. The reality is that this is NOT the case. If Cote was such a great uniter behind closed doors we would have cut him and made him a assistant coach in the Phantoms. The fact is he is useless, but everyone likes him.
A time must come when we put that fact aside and start creating a roster that performs differently. I dont want to make a list and start a salem witch trial but we collect A LOT of these guys. Cote is just one of them and I do think he has to go.

by Prometheus74 on Dec 8, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Please ohh Please release Cote.

he does nothing but hurt the team in every aspect of the game. A cardboard cutout of Tony Twist could still win more fights then Cote.

by JpH89 on Dec 8, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

This is neither here nor there

But I would just like to say that the comments section in these stories is nearly unreadable at times due to MarioD. I think this is my first comment on this Flyers board and this is not a great way to start it out, but yeah, I just wanted to say that.

by Slizeezyc on Dec 8, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome

The more we have here, the merrier. Looking forward to your contributions.

Everyone disagrees with Mario… or, more accurately, Mario disagrees with everyone. Don’t worry about it.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Dec 8, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome

Join us for game threads, they’re always a lot more fun.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the thread..

looking forward to doing that one day.. I almost always DVR the game tho. But, it would be nice to vent to something other than a doofus lab. I must say he takes pretty well and i appreciate his company – unless he’s trying to scarf some of my beer which is usually always.

by stubborne on Dec 8, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

lol buy some American Light, let him have some, and he won’t want any more.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Laliberte called up, at the Wachovia Center now.

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by Travis Hughes on Dec 8, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

They love calling up “experienced” players, don’t they?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 8, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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