So, at Wednesday’s practice, Peter Laviolette held a bag skate in the middle of it to punish his players for their reckless behavior on the ice. Not just the usual suspects like Scot Hartnell or Dan Carcillo – the entire team. Punish one, punish them all."
-- via Tim Panaccio's story on CSNPhilly.com
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I never get tired of that scene.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 9, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Bag skate?
Never heard that term. I’m taking it just means skating them into the ground?
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Yeah, it just means a hard skate with sprints and stuff. No idea why it’s called that, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 9, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think it has to do with the fact that the pucks stay in the bag? Maybe?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 9, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
In my day it was called “we’re not getting off the ice until every single one of you pukes.”
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 9, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Just Googled it:
and came up with this:
The origin of why it’s called a bag skate is fuzzy. Some players believe that the term refers to the old days, when trainers would place plastic or paper bags rink side because they knew some players would need a place to heave in exhaustion after the gruelling workout. Other players feel bag skate simply refers to being bagged after the exhausting skate or that they skate a certain body part off in the nasty exercise. Yet another explanation is simply because the pucks are left in their bag during the exercise.
I ripped it from a FoxSports article though, so… take it for what it is.
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I like the idea of holding the players accountable and making them work in practice, but one has to wonder if beating the S out of the team during a grueling stretch of games is wise.
I hear what you’re saying, but they had plenty of time off these past few weeks while they were mailing in games. Trust me, once some of the vets have to do this a few times, the young guys won’t do it again. Someone will order a Code Red.
kids need discipline
and if this doesn’t do it, im sure the veterans will begin the policing.
i am all for this line of action
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Also directed at Pronger I’m sure. I didn’t hear anything about his being suspended. Maybe the coach’s message to him was “You’re too valuable to us to be risking suspensions with stupid plays like that.”
This is exactly why he wears out his welcome after 3 years, but it’s exactly what this team needs right now. One can only wonder what effect this approach would have had last year, when the team was even younger.
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Not to my knowledge.
There was a lot of talk after last night’s game that Pronger might be suspended for his boarding of Tavares. Tavares lost a tooth but did not miss any playing time.
I heard nothing today about any suspension being doled out to Pronger, so I guess he isn’t getting one. But Laviolette wanted the whole team to get the message, for different reasons:
1. Those of you who are reckless (Hartnell, Carcillo) need to think before you act, or else this happens.
2. Those of you who occasionally do something stupid and get suspended (Briere, Pronger), think before you act, or this happens.
3. Everyone else: Every day after you play recklessly, you’re entering a world of pain.
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by mikefive on Dec 10, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the big lebowski pic.
I really like the fact that he is working them to the bone, i see nothing wrong with working them very hard. If nothing else the team bonding will be growing, and the forecheck in last game looked good so this should help improve the teams ability to continue that game. As well as to start to improve the new laviolette style of play.
Send a different message
With a quarter of the season in the next 6 weeks maybe instead of wearing them down with punishment practices waive that idiot Carcillo and the message is if you are going to play with your head up your butt welcome to the East Coast League. Especially with a guy who can be replaced as easily as an equipment manager. However this team actually looks to be out of shape for some reason so the extra skating might do them some good.
Breire Pronger and Hartnell were all guilty of bad “cheap shot type” penalties against the Isles, Carcillo takes it to a step further but last thing we need is more cap problems by giving his salary away.
The only way you’re responsible for half his salary is if you bring him back up through re-entry waivers and he’s claimed. There’s no risk in putting someone on waivers the first time besides potentially losing them for nothing.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 10, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Good point, but I doubt that every practice will be a “punishment practice.” Laviolette needed to let the team know right away that expectations have been raised, and poor/reckless play is unacceptable and will have consequences.
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And what better way to send the message that stupidity will not be tolerated than cutting a foolish moosh like Carcillo. Ever since this guy got here it is like there is some bad karma around this team. It can’t be just a coincidence. I am really wondering how serious the team can be about disciplined hockey and playing with self control if they let this guy skate again.
Also, you have to consider, Lav is new in Philly. He has been handed command of a team whose core has been together for the last 3 years or so. Lav is the outsider. So, he needs to take control and do it quickly. What I like is that he is not trying to be a nice guy, obviously. He is being tough and implementing his no-nonsense mentality now. Very similar to how Hitchcock used to do things.
Also, something important to note, is that Lav actually participates in some of these conditioning drills! That is awesome! Its kinda like a King who leads his soldiers into battle instead of sitting on a hill and watching from a far. Whatever his motivation is for taking part, I feel like it says something about who Lav is and its a tangible way for him to show the team that he is going to work hard, too.
Maybe I am wrong, and it doesn’t mean anything that he conditions with the team. It just struck me as something that is out of the ordinary.
Good news all around . . .
the team needs to be disciplined, plain and simple. our team was so inconsistent because they were undisciplined. conditioning/discipline drills like these keep players loyal to each other and their coach, because one screw up means your team pays. and for the argument that working them too hard with bag skates is a bad idea in a tough stretch, these players are professional athletes and professional athletes better have conditioned bodies that can recover in 24-36 hours. they are put through these drills at every level and have been playing the game since they were kids. all this does is gets their heads out of their asses, holds players accountable, and enforces team unity. it’s about time these kids had someone to whip them into shape.
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