Bouwmeester on the Flyers: Is it worth it?

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Florida Panthers general manager Jacques Martin was in attendance for Wednesday night's game between the Flyers and Kings, which either means the Flyers are very interested in Panthers defenseman Jay Bouwmeester, or the Flyers are very interested in Jay Bouwmeester.
For the record, Martin said he was in Philadelphia Wednesday night because his Panthers had the night off between games in Boston on Tuesday and New York tonight. What's curious is the fact Martin plans on returning to the Wachovia Center Friday night to see the Flyers play Montreal.Sure sounds like a boss taking inventory before making his next purchase.
There's been talk for months now about the Flyers potentially picking up Florida defenseman Jay Bouwmeester. Personally, I've brushed a lot of it off as simple wishful thinking since the obstacles against such a move are so substantial.
First off, John Stevens has publicly said he is happy with the defense as presently comprised.
"I've said all along we're very happy with what's back there. We're very comfortable," the Flyers' coach said a few weeks ago. "I think our defense defends pretty well, and just because of the tradition here and the identity the whole organization has, people just assume that's what we're missing."
Despite that, though, conventional wisdom tell us that if you can make a move for a guy like Bouwmeester, you do it. No questions asked.
These rumors that Jay-Bo would be traded all started when Florida wasn't deep into the playoff picture. Losing a player of his caliber would seriously hurt their chances at making the playoffs, and Martin has said their first priority is to make the playoffs. It's a large possibility that the Panthers could just hold the guy now.
The only other reason for Florida to ship him out is that he's a free agent at the end of the season, and both camps have been unable to work out an extension. That's another reason for the trade rumors, since Florida obviously wants to get something in return for him if they are just going to lose him in July anyway.
If they do ship him out, the Flyers would have to outbid just about every team in the league. They have the roster depth to do so, but beating the offers of 28 other teams is a tough proposition, especially when you start to think about salaries.
It's no secret that Paul Holmgren and the Flyers are right up against the cap. It's ridiculously close once you return Danny Briere to the roster, just $480,833 under the cap.
So how the hell do the Flyers possibly get anybody, let alone Jay Bouwmeester, who has a cap hit of $4.875 million at the deadline?
Martin has said that the Panthers do not want to take on extra salary in a deal, so you've got to get rid of current roster players that have an equal cap hit to Jay-Bo. So who's in line?
That could mean right wing Joffrey Lupul, whose $2.3 million cap hit jumps to $4.25 million next season, along with defenseman Matt Carle, who has a $2.9 million cap hit this season, escalating to $3.5 million in each of the next two years and $3.8 million in 2011-12, or defenseman Braydon Coburn, who has one year left on a contract that carries a $1.3 million cap hit.
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As Have A Seat mentioned in a comment earlier today, would getting rid of a guy like Coburn really be smart? He hasn't played as well this season as he did last season, but he's still been a tremendous young defenseman for the Flyers. He's certainly outperforming his $1.3 million a year contract, and he's under that for another season before being a restricted free agent.
Losing Coburn or Carle, another young guy who has been excellent for the Flyers this season, would be a serious blow to the defense. These guys have been fantastic for the Flyers, and Bouwmeester needs to be a guy that adds to the defense already here, not one that is filling a hole.
And given their contracts, one of those defensemen would have to be coupled with another player; somebody like Lupul or Mike Knuble or Scottie Upshall, who are critical pieces of this teams offensive depth. The offensive depth is a big reason why I think the Flyers will be a force in the postseason, and trading some of it away makes me very nervous.
Add all of this to the fact that Bouwmeester doesn't have a contract past July. Trade all of that away for a rental player?
If the Flyers were not so close to the cap, they could give up some other talent that isn't so crucial to the team -- perhaps James van Riemsdyk or some other highly touted prospect. But the perfect storm that is the Flyers cap situation, coupled with Bouwmeester's lack of a contract would make me extremely nervous to make this deal.
As good of a rental player as this guy would be, and as much as I'd like to see him as a Flyer, I just don't think it's worth it. But damn, the idea of that guy in orange and black makes your mouth water doesn't it?
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i wouldnt trade for bouwmeester unless we had a contract extension worked out beforehand. I’d trade lupol, jones (wishful thinking i know, but hey…maybe the FLorida front office thinks all jones needs is a change of scenery) and a 1st rounder for bouwmeester. lupol and jone’s salary combined would probably about equal bouwmeester’s contract demands this off-season (since knuble is either going to leave in free agency or take less money).
This may seem like blasphemy, but I wouldnt be afraid to trade Hartnell in place of Lupol. hes a great player who embodies the flyers spirit, but he makes a ton of money and his lack of discipline kills us at times. come playoff time he could potentially be a serious liability if he keeps sending Ovechkin/Marc Savard led powerplays out onto the ice.
I also wouldnt consider JVR untouchable but ONLY if we have a contract extension worked out.
bottom line is, If we can sign Bouwmeester to a long term deal wed be cup contenders for the next 5 years. but we shouldnt mortage the house for a half season rental. it might be better to just wait until the off-season and clear out some cap room to make a run at him in free agency.
Sadly, I don’t think Florida would take a Lupul, Jones, and a 1st. I’d do that too (in a heartbeat), but Jones just sucks. Any trade though would have to be conditional on Bouwmeester signing a contract, though.
I certainly wouldn’t call JVR untouchable for a guy like Bouwmeester, because then we’re getting into proven NHL star versus unproven NHL potential. But it wouldn’t work because of the cap situation.
Really good point on Hartnell.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 26, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Would J-Bo succeed in Philly anyways...
I’m just not sold on the fact that he’s going to be the right fit here regardless. He certainly is talented, but he doesn’t play with the grit and passion (at least on his sleeve) that Flyers fans embrace. I definitely think he can help if the right deal could be worked out (and I trust Homer to put packages like this together but have no idea how it would work with the cap issue and the Flyers current personnel).
I agree with Have a Seat, though, that picking up J-Bo in exchange for Coburn/Carle doesn’t really make sense…
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i might trade Carle but only as a last resort. theyre both offensive minded defenseman and Bouwmeester is an upgrade over him. hes played allrite this season but not spectacular. i wouldnt trade coburn under any circumstance being as hes a shutdown defenseman and we need him against the talented skill forwards we face. while coburn hasnt necessarily dominated this season, he really rose to the occasion against the ovechkin line last post-season. I can see coburn being sort of like briere (although hopefully not with regards to injurys). a guy that plays pretty well during the regular season then really comes alive in the playoffs
I have to admit...
living in Phoenix now, I have a lesser feel for how the game-in-game-out play has been for all of the players. I hope that some of these players are going to pick it up again in the postseason like last year for Briere, Coburn and Umberger.
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by Jordan Ellel on Feb 26, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
as you can see i have thought about this subject a lot as its already my third post on the thread haha…
it pains me to say this…but what about gagne? i love the guy and he has been here forever, but the bottom line is he makes over 5 million and hes not getting any younger. he started off strong but hes been very quiet over the last couple months. he’s a bonafide star who im sure the panthers would love to have. gagne and a 2nd round pick would probably be enough, and it wouldnt be much of a cap issue either.
bottom line is, scoring depth is great but defense wins championships. the game gets ridiculously tight in the playoffs and often the difference between winning and losing is something as simple as clearing the puck out of your zone on the first try.
Unless you have a signed extension in hand...
there’s no way I’d make that trade. And I would think Gagne + no more than a 4th at best…isn’t Gagne signed for a few years still?
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by Jordan Ellel on Feb 26, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
well i wouldnt trade anyone not named randy jones for bouwmeester unless we have an extension signed beforehand. like i said earlier, we might be better off dumping guys like lupol for draft picks this summer and making a run at bouwmeester in free agency.
also, im a little concerned about bouwmeester’s attitude. him and his father have done a lot of whining about how much he doesnt like playing in florida. even if he has a point, we said the same thing about T.O. before he came to the eagles (“he was just a problem because his team sucked”). players like that will always find something to complain about thus causing distractions. whether or not bouwmeester is a bonafide whiner remains to be seen, but the fact that his father is getting involved reminds me of eric lindross.

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