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Gameday: New-look Flames in town to face Flyers

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Calgary Flames (38-19-6, 82 points) #4 Philadelphia Flyers (34-18-10, 78 pts)
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The Flames were argubly the most active and most improved team at yesterday's trade deadline, and their first test for their new acquisitions will come in Philadelphia tonight as they take on the Flyers.

Calgary added center Olli Jokinen in a trade with Phoenix yesterday, and in another deal they welcomed back defenseman Jordan Leopold for his second stint in Flames red. These moves were heralded around the hockey world, with the Edmonton Journal going as far as saying they push Calgary into direct contention with Detroit and San Jose in the West.

That's good company.

The Flyers will try to damper some of those Western Canada Cup dreams, though, with a solid win tonight on home ice. It's the first of five straight games at the Wachovia Center for the Flyers, a real good chance to put some distance between them and the teams behind them in the Eastern Conference. After all, Philly sits in fourth place, but they're just as close to ninth place as they are to third.

Jokinen will see a familiar face on the other team tonight in former teammate Daniel Carcillo. Carcillo makes his Flyers debut on a line with Danny Briere and Claude Giroux tonight. 

"My job will just be to get on the forecheck and knock some pucks loose and knock some bodies around and make sure nobody takes any shots at them," Carcillo said after practice today about his role on such a talented line. "I'm going to come here and be disciplined," as he smiled and paused, "and mean at the same time and help this team in any way possible."

The two teams that meet up tonight are two of the highest scoring teams in the league; the Flyers have 202 goals while the Flames have 207. The addition of a perrenial 30 goal scorer in Jokinen should seriously boost those Calgary totals, and it'll be interesting to see if that starts tonight.

Between the Pipes: Antero Niittymaki will start his second straight game for the Flyers tonight. He is coming off an excellent game in Boston on Tuesday night where he turned aside 22 shots en route to the victory. In his one career game against Calgary, he recorded a 65 minute shutout.

For Calgary, it's (as always) Miikka Kiprusoff. A native of the same hometown as Niittymaki, Kiprusoff is having a great season. He's first in the NHL with a 38-15-5 record, implying that he wins a hell of a lot, but pucks can be put past him. His 2.76 GAA is tied for 29th among eligible goaltenders.


Calgary Flames Injuries

Doubtful

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Todd Bertuzzi other-excused 03/05/2009

Out (IR / Out / Suspended / Physically unvailable)

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Mark Giordano shoulder 02/20/2009
Rene Bourque ankle 02/20/2009
Wayne Primeau foot 12/06/2008
Daymond Langkow hand 02/18/2009
Rhett Warrener shoulder 10/09/2008


Questions To Answer

  1. What is Carcillo's impact in his first game as a Flyer?
  2. Does Olli Jokinen have an immediate offensive impact in his first game as a Flame?
  3. Antero Niittymaki owns other goalies from Finland (ahem, Lehtonen). Does it work against Kipper too?
  4. Briere's been back for three games now. Time for some offense?

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Anyone from out of town or not at the game on the thread?

Unfortunately stuck at work with no streaming audio/video…boo ESPN Gamecast!

World Ph*cking Champs! That was fun - let's do it again...

by Jordan Ellel on Mar 5, 2009 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

Video stream links are usually posted.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh. you said audio too… should’ve read it right the first time, haha.

Yeah, that’s rough.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like we’re playing some team that isn’t in the NHL…

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

He is a weird looking guy isn’t he? What was the deal with him in Phoenix? I heard something about nobody liking him down there, and I heard the phrase locker room cancer thrown around.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And we got the Phoenix guy whose name sounds like Carcinogen…

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Cote and Roy drop the gloves, get roughing minors instead of fighting majors because it was such a bad one.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

Oh good grief, did Niitty learn nothing from that Biron disaster?

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

And Jokinen takes a penalty, big chance here. 4 on 3

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

My preview is here, if anyone is interested…

http://flyerfrequent.blogspot.com/2009/03/game-63-preview-flames-flyers-3509.html

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

With the departure of #9, the Flyers now have only two players on their roster with single digit numbers, Coburn (#5) and Jones (#6). Not sure what that means, but I’m guessing it’s not good.

Haha, nice.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Damnit. How’d that get through?

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Niitty’s looked real jumpy tonight.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Nice play by Carcillo there…

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Is it just me or has it been a while since we scored the first goal?

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

SBN’s Isles blog, via Twitter…

The combined salaries (sans bonuses) of Isles lineup tonight is just under $16 million.

Wow.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

Was Carcillo playing on the PK?

not a good spot for him…

World Ph*cking Champs! That was fun - let's do it again...

by Jordan Ellel on Mar 5, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

hey all. Just got in. How did the Flames score? The first goal I mean…ugh.

by chillicothe20 on Mar 5, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

From the faceoff dot, shot it through a few guys and it somehow found the net.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Iginla bobbles the puck and still is able to make the play. He’s good.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

Upshall

Scottie just scored for Phoenix. 1-1 against Boston. I miss him so.

by chillicothe20 on Mar 5, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

:(

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess that’ll help the Phoenix fans get over their grief…

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ut oh. Someone showed Coatsey the powers of Google Earth.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

Carcillo chirping with Glencross.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

This guy makes Cote so unbelievably obsolete.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, why is he still on the team? I mean, he’s a nice guy, but not a great fighter and not a ton of skill outside of that.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh my God.

Jokinen again.

These turnovers are killing us.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

The post-Upshall era is off to a phenomenal start…

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

That’s pretty accurate.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like the team is lacking a little in the energy department to me…

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

Got that right.

4-0 holy hell.

Not saying it’s Niittymaki’s fault, but time to switch the goalies

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Nitty’s jumpy and so are the rest of them. Knuble committing turnovers…just awful. This better not be a sign of things to come post-Upshall.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh for fuck’s sake…

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

on pace to lose 12-0. WTF?

by chillicothe20 on Mar 5, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

Let’s not forget that vs. Montreal Niitty let in 3 softer ones in in the first. Consistant he is not.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Problem is, neither is Biron.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Pitiful effort 1st period. I don’t care if they miss Scotty; that ship has sailed. Get your sh*t together, boys, and get to scoring/defending.

Johnny better rip ’em a new one during intermission.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

Stevens better flip a table or something (yeah right)

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

Or mumble something really loudly…could you imagine him ever getting angry enough to flip a table. In the Nova/Providence game, Wright was so angry with the team’s defensive efforts veins were bursting from his temples. I can never imagine Stevens looking like that.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Haven’t you seen him yell at refs before? I’m pretty sure he can flip some tables. Pop a vein, no, but I believe he can make his voice heard. (As long as you aren’t one of his favorites. Lookin at you Randy)

by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Carcillo got started with someone early in the 2nd...

just his nature…he knows when it’s an appropriate time…

World Ph*cking Champs! That was fun - let's do it again...

by Jordan Ellel on Mar 5, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, they did it against Boston…

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing tonight has made me optimistic though. They not only don’t seem to be matching Calgary’s energy, but they can’t get anything going on the power play. It doesn’t help that they aren’t even getting any lucky breaks. This PP is critical, if for no other reason than to give them confidence.

by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 5, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

We have to cut the deficit to at least 2, maybe 1 this period, if we want to make a proper comeback.

by chillicothe20 on Mar 5, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Good luck with the comeback...

I’m taking off from work and will watch on the DV-R. Go Flyers!

World Ph*cking Champs! That was fun - let's do it again...

by Jordan Ellel on Mar 5, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for stopping by bud.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Alright, we need a goal on this PP.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions  

Their sphincters are too tight. They’re playing like the NY Mets in September.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on, let’s get this anemic PP going…

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

Collection of Individual Bad Nights...

Matt Carle is having a bad game, Mike Richards is having a bad game, Niitty wasn’t sharp, and I’m sure I’m missing others, but that collection, you’re bound to have a bad team game.

by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 5, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

And they are a bit snakebitten by some bad luck with shots, etc.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Not getting the bounces either. In general though, I expect them to at least show me something. Even if the game is a 4-0 final, stop making mistakes: Penalties, turnovers, etc.

by Geoff Detweiler on Mar 5, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, their heads aren’t in the game—lazy passing, bad puck control, skating bad routes—and they are playing really tight. The fans are giving it to them, too. Probably doesn’t help matters.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I really wonder how much Upshall’s absence, at least from a mental level, has to do with the way they’re playing.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

I’m sure they are a bit deflated.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a bit deflated, to be honest.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially when you see Upshall score right off the bat for the Coyotes.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Darn

That Jokinen is not good looking. Yikes.

As a plus, the Flyers aren’t taking a lot of penalties tonight, knock on wood. Not that it’s really making a difference.

Come on PP!!!

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

RATS!

What is wrong with our PP?!?

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s just so bad. They need a serious shakeup, but I’m not sure how that can be done.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The Flames’ PK looks pretty good, too, though…how can you shake it up?

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

They have the third best PK in the league. On the same token, I’m absolutely shocked out PP is still in the top five.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

But Carcillo fits that mold perfectly?!?!

sigh

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

They’ve been terrible at home lately. They are 4-4 in their last 8 at home, and barring some miracle, about to be 4-5 in their last 9.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

Wow…don’t you guys have a great home record?

by Kent Wilson on Mar 5, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

Yes. It’s been very bizarre lately.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell of a save.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing they are doing is working tonight. And their body language is awful. When your captain shrugs his shoulders and skates off the ice with his head down, what kind of example is that to the other guys?

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

SCORE!

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, still time left….

Maybe?

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

Carcillo has looked good in this game. From begining to end.

Great last shift by Giroux.

by Momus1 on Mar 5, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Giroux is the man. He’s in everything and is one of the only guys who brought his game tonight. Carter and Richie are the ones who look really off tonight.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Jonesy and JJ just said they don’t see Briere on the bench—please don’t be hurt—again.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

I swear to God… I hope it’s just an equipment problem.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not this is an appropriate time to discuss this, but Nova just beat Providence and get’s a double-bye in the Big East tourney.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh damn I totally forgot that game was tonight.

I’ve been listening to rousing Northeast Conference Tournament basketball tonight.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a good game.

Refs just blew two calls in a row, if you ask me. Whatever.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Power play. We’re probably better off 5-on-5.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

Are you KIDDING me?! Lupul gets one without Phaneuf?!

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

I hate it when Marty plays the puck; get in the net. You are not Ron Hextall.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

Or Brodeur. He is so bad when he comes out of the crease.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Scotty’s probably glad he went to a team with consistent goaltending

by SanDiegoScraps on Mar 5, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Briere – lower body injury.

You kiddin me?

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

The day after the trade deadline. Gdamnit.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Mar 5, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s starting to feel doomy and gloomy

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense left Biron out to dry on that one.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Defense?

A little help for Marty, please? That one was not his fault.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

i just got in from work…turned the game on and see that were down 4-1. not only that…but briere is injured again??? i cant take Briere’s shit anymore. im just gonna go out on a limb and say for all intensive purposes hes done for the season. i know its not his fault but seriously…fuck Briere. he cant stay healthy for more than 2 games.

by njh3293 on Mar 5, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

This game is over...

I wasn’t sad about the defeat…..but after Briere went down….I can’t believe it

by Ivan Monteiro Prado on Mar 5, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

Thank God it’s over.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 5, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Stevens Presser

No update on Briere yet—just that he could not continue in the 3rd period.

He says just a “flat-out butt whooping” tonight. Looked like boys vs. men.

by doubleh on Mar 5, 2009 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

Congrats to Scotty Upshall

Scotty Upshall was First Star in his First Game with Phoenix

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