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Loose Ends: Richards, Coyotes, and Marty Turco

It's been a busy couple of days around the Flyers and around the NHL, so here's a quick rundown on some of the things you may have missed.

  • Mike Richards needs surgery on both of his shoulders. He will undergo surgery for a torn labrum in his right shoulder this coming Friday, and when that arm is feeling better, he will undergo the same procedure on his left. Full recovery time is 10-to-12 weeks. Richards says he cannot pinpoint a particular game where he suffered the injuries, but that the pain wasn't a sustained thing -- it would come and go. Could it be a reason for his minus-4 performance in the playoffs?
  • The Phoenix Coyotes are being run by the National Hockey League, according to Glendale, AZ City Manager Ed Beasley via the Arizona Republic and Puck Daddy. The team owes money to the city for parking fees and security costs, and they have been assured by the league that the money will be paid. As the Republic points out, the league has frequently stepped in to help financially ill teams, including Dallas, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, the Islanders, and Hartford. But to have a league running a team is quite rare. The real pressing issue here for the league at-large is that the NHL has, according to Beasley, been running the Coyotes since February. On trade deadline day, the Coyotes were the most active team in the league, shipping off Olli Jokinen, Derek Morris, and obviously Dan Carcillo. What role did the league have in the Coyotes hockey operations on that day and did the other teams know about it? And why hasn't the NHL opened their mouths about this?
  • Marty Turco could be moved by the Dallas Stars, reports Mike Heika of the Dallas Morning News. The 33-year-old goaltender is an unrestricted free agent after this upcoming season and he has an expensive cap hit of $5.7 million. Heika specifically mentioned the Flyers as a team that could be interested in Turco, but he also mentions how Dallas would probably ask for a defenseman in return. I doubt the Flyers would part with any of their trade-worthy blueliners in a deal for Turco.

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I do not want the Flyers to show any interest in Turco. He is a great goalie but when it comes to Playoff time he is just Roman Checkmanek, another goalie who can’t go deep when the pressure is on. Plus, for that cap hit, he is absolutely not worth it.

by Mitchell Green on Apr 30, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

While I’m not going to question Turco’s playoff performance, I’m wondering how much of those losses were on him. I only saw him in the playoffs a handful of times and nothing sticks out at me, either good or bad. Maybe if he was on Detroit or New Jersey?

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 30, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is true. But then I think of him with the Flyers’ defense as it is now and I don’t feel anymore secured of his ability haha

by Mitchell Green on Apr 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, fair. fair.

I wouldn’t want that contract anyway, but still.

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 30, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree about moving Jones for Turco. But we are stil short a b/u tender, big Dman, and a center that can win a f*cking faceoff. Turco makes to much to make all that happen, unless we can find a way to move Briere (not that I dislike him, just don’t like his contraact) and Lupul. It would be nice to have Knuble back as well (1.5 mil). Everyone wants J-bo but if we make a move on Turco and land him Briere would need to be moved to land him. I’d like to see Giroux on a line with Carter so Lupul I think is expendable, especially if we can move him (with ??) to land a top 10 dman. If Homer could make our team look like;
Hartnell – Carter – Giroux
Gagne – Richards – Knuble
JVR – Pahlson or Grier or Yelle (all ufa, all can kill penalties like a damn, none should be to, to expensive. Just examples there are a few good DF first forwars in ufa)
Nodl – Powe – Asham

Jbo-Sbisa
Timmonen-Parent
Coburn-Carle (if we miss J-co I would go after Komisarek, he can’t beet up Lucic but he is a damn good dman and very physical also some other good vet dmen out there to like Beachemin, Aucoin, Boynton, Gill, Ohlund, etc.)

Turco (or Khabibulin?) There is talk about Fernandez, forget it. To expensive to play in 20 games and get hurt, Lehtonen is no better than Biron or Nitty and carries a bigger price tag, forget him too. I bet they try and get Clemmensen though, not a bad choice if he could keep up what he started off doing last year.

by blackandorange on Apr 30, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

All well and good, but who is taking all of our big contracts away? And how are we going to get Bouwmeester (probably 6 or 7 mil), Turco or Khabibulin (probably 5 mil or more). Your ideas are great in theory, but lack any sense of reason. Also, JVR won’t be up right away with the flyers, and Nodl isn’t a great defensive forward, which is what your kind of looking for on your 4th line. A guy who can go out and won’t be a liability.

by Pondhockey on Apr 30, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with all of that until your assessment of the 4th line. When was the Flyers 4th line every stocked with great defensive forwards? Back when Dale Hawerchuk was here? The fourth line for the Flyers should start being comprised of high energy, young forwards. Ross, Nodl, Powe, Asham (old, yes), JVR when he gets called up, etc. But you’re right, that post was all wishful thinking.

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 30, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, what I was more implying is not so much defensive forwards, but on ice liabilities, and I think Ross and Nodl are fine AHL players, just not NHL players.

by Pondhockey on Apr 30, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im not saying it would be easy and Im not saying it is going to happen. To have this go it would take Briere saying he would waive his NTC clause and find a suitor and also finding takers for Lupul and Jones and try and not take a bunch of salary back. Something that is near impossible to do. Turco has a year left at 5+ mil. So if you could take him for Lupul and Jones (just an example) you are 2.5 (?) mil. to the good. You minus the 3.5 that Biron makes thats 6 mil. If you can sign Knuble to 1.8 mil. thats another 1 million saving so you got 7 mil, maybe enough for Jbo? Now if you can move Breire for a good DF center who can win a faceoff and a pick maybe (say White from ATL. besides, they need to keep Kovy and Briere is the type of center that Kovy would want) that saves about 4 million there. So now you can sign a guy like Grier or Pahlson for the third line. And your 4th line doesnt have to be full of DF forwards, and even if not Nodl put Ross there. If you have a 4th line of JVR, White and Grier or Pahlson (example again) Jvr wont have to be counted on to do a lot of heavy lifting. Not saying its gonna work (Briere contract is killer) but it can work.

by blackandorange on Apr 30, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is the flyers best shot at a cup in the next 1-3 years. take it homer, send lupes and jones [although they probably are fishing HARD for coburn or parent, but use your all knowing and aggressive demeaner and make them accept nate guenin or jones [phantoms prospect who is from what ive seen terrible, but lets lie to dallas about that, they dont have fans there, cup or no cup]

by kolparty on Apr 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

they might not have fans, but I’m sure their GM would be able to tell if we’re lying.

by Pondhockey on Apr 30, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and actually I think Dallas has a pretty good fan base if recollection serves me right.

by Pondhockey on Apr 30, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

doesnt matter swine flu won’t let them go to the games, come up north turk.

by kolparty on Apr 30, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No to Turco

Did any of you see how Dallas started the season? They were horrible, mostly due to Turco’s dismal performance. He got better as the season went on, but he’s not getting any younger. He will be far too expensive as well.

I still say Biron and Anderson, with Backlund as the 3rd guy. Let him adjust to the North American game with the Phantoms. Al Morganti had an interesting proposition last night and said that the Flyers should try to acquire Carey Price from Montreal. Essentially, Morganti said that Price is a good goalie in a bad situation who would be better served playing in a market other than Montreal. I don’t know how I feel about this.

Defensively, I say we go for Komisarek. He is a solid defensive defenseman, which we need. He will also be able to teach Ryan Parent a lot about shutting down the opposition. He won’t be as expensive as Bouwmeester. The fans would probably love him, too.

Picture, if you will:

Timonen-Komisarek
Coburn-Carle
Jones-Parent
Sbisa

That’s a pretty solid defensive core. If we don’t get Komisarek I would be fine with Beauchemin, although he’s not as phyiscal a d-man. I’m also a Flames fan and I’ve seen Adrian Aucoin’s play deteriorate over the past 2 years. No thank you.

I would rather we get a physical guy back there because I think both Coburn and Carle are going to rebound offensively. They’re going to be a dangerous pair to play against. So if that happens and you get your usual production from Timonen, we should be all set from a defensive scoring standpoint. When healthy, Jones can add a bit of offense too: 4 G, 18 A in 66 games during 2006-07, and 5 G, 26 A during 71 games in 2007-08. Parent and Komisarek can’t score, but we wouldn’t need them to do that anyway.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Apr 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

While I don’t think Montreal would give him up, I think Price would do better in a different city. I mean not only was Price expected to be the starter right out of the gate, but he was expected to be the savior, in Montreal. It’s a lot of pressure on a young goalie. Fans expect him to win every game even if that means dragging his team with him, and if he doesn’t then he’s the goat

by Pondhockey on Apr 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll say something similar to what I said around the trade deadline when we were debating upgrading the goaltending vs upgrading the defense.

A good goaltender can help you in only one facet of the game: keeping the other team from scoring. Furthermore, keeping the other team from scoring has as much to do with your defense and offensive forechecking as it does goaltending. Beyond all that, no position in professional sports is a bigger crapshoot then goaltending. 2-3 years ago J.S. Giguerre was on top of the world, dominating the NHL, leading his team to a Stanley Cup, and raking in a salary over 7 million dollars. now hes the second best goaltender on his team.

Given our cap situation we will really only have room for one major move (if any this off-season). I think that move should be adressing the blue line. a dominant D-man immiedatley helps the goaltending, can help start the rush on offense, and is ultimately more of a sure investment than a goaltender. I’ve been enamored with the prospects of Bouwmeester in philadelphia for god knows how long, It would take some wheeling and dealing but i’m sure it’s doable.

Resign Biron and give him a defensive line up of:

Timonen-Parent
Bouwmeester-Coburn
Alberts-Sbisa.

I all but gurantee you that goaltending won’t be a question mark if we can roll out that blue line next season.

by njh3293 on Apr 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

If the cap is 56 mil again that means the flyers will have 6 mil to play with. Resigning Biron at the very minimum would be 3 mil. That leaves us 3 mil, which means we’d have to trade someone like Lupul and get pretty much no cap money in return to even think about getting Bouwmeester. While not impossible, it’ll be close enough to impossible it won’t happen. And most think the cap will be dropping to 55 mil so even less chance.

by Pondhockey on Apr 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not completely impossible. We can always send Lupol and Carle/Jones (about 7-8 million dollars) to Florida at the draft in exchange for the rights to negotiate with Bouwmeester. or we just trade Lupol and Carle/Jones for some draft picks to free up cap space. This allows us to free up cap space to make a run at a top free agent, and it gives us some picks to stockpile more young talent.

If not Bouwmeester we could try and pry Chris Pronger from Anaheim. he’ll be entering the last year of his contract at 6.5 mil so the above trade would work here salary wise as well. who knows if the Ducks are willing to deal Pronger though as theyre still alive in the playoffs.

The salary cap is an issue sure but I have confidence that Homer can work his gm magic and get someting done

by njh3293 on Apr 30, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and some place to dump Jones’ salary as well so that a backup can be signed, and then you still lose Knuble

by Pondhockey on Apr 30, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

salary cap?

Not sure where you came up with that figure. The Flyers pro roster right now is about 52 mil. without Biron, Nitty, Alberts or Knuble. So to resing Biron (at 3 mil you say) that puts us at 55 mil. Nothing else can be done here. The only way that Jbo becomes a Flyer is if there are some large parts moving (Lupul, Jones to start, Briere if someone will take him and he waves his NTC).

by blackandorange on Apr 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The payroll is at 52.3 million but the cap hit is at 49.9 million.

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by Travis Hughes on May 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re using the Bobby Clarke philosophy on goaltending, I think that experiment has been proven wrong. However, if you’re saying that signing a free agent goalie is too risky, I’m in complete agreement. What I think people are mainly upset with is the fact that the team hasn’t drafted a franchise goalie in over 20 years. (Hextall) What this organization needs is to draft and groom a goalie, hopefully modeling this after the way the Phillies restocked on starting pitchers. Don’t let a single year go by that one of your first three picks isn’t a goalie. And then don’t give up on them too soon – Boucher, Pelletier (maybe they gave up on him at exactly the right time), Ouellet, Niittymaki – because constantly bringing in Garth Snow, John Van Biesbrouck, Roman Cechmanek, Marty Biron only gives you 2 or 3 years until you have to find another.

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 30, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and its not like I hate Briere, I just hate his 6.5 mil. cap hit

by blackandorange on Apr 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Pronger and he would look great in an orange sweater, and short term I think he is a better answer than Jbo actually. I bet the Ducks would listen too, they have some moves that need making and they traded for Whitney at the deadline so there defense is pretty stout as is.

by blackandorange on Apr 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeff Carter to have surgery as well

CSN just said Jeff Carter has a separated shoulder, requiring surgery. Citing when he was taken down in Game 3 as the hit that did it, that would explain a lot about the “Jeff Carter missing?” question, as well as the “Where were Philly’s top two???”. Hopefully Jeff has a speedy recovery.

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 30, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

OK, so I'm an idiot...

Or I wasn’t really paying attention. No surgery says Travis quoting Homer. The rest stills holds though.

by Geoff Detweiler on Apr 30, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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