Giroux vs. Forsberg??
Maybe the return of Peter Forsberg to Philadelphia happened after all.
No, not the real guy. He officially retired in relative obscurity a couple weeks back.
Instead, the 21-year-old, on-ice doppelganger of the talented Swede has emerged inside a Flyers’ locker room, 15 years after the original burst onto the scene in Colorado after he was traded away as part of the Eric Lindros deal.
Yeah, we’re talking Claude Giroux. Yeah he’s got that skill set. Yeah, he could develop into one of the game’s best players. And no, I’m not blowing smoke in your eyes.
Could be interesting. I thought the article (link) was really interesting. I don't know that Giroux will become one of the best ever, but I think he has the capacity to. The guy's been getting better and better at an astonishing rate every year (really, every game). What's his ceiling? Does Philly now have 4 elite centers (Richards/Carter/Briere/Giroux)? 5 if you count vanRiemsdyk?
Also, what does that mean for Briere's future? He's been playing well, maybe there could be a taker for him in a trade. It'd be nice to have enough room to sign a few guys and fill up multiple holes since we score at a great clip and Briere almost seems like surplus.
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to early to call Giroux the next Forsberg. you simply cant call a rookie the reincarnation of one of the best players to ever play the game just yet. That Being said his skill set does remind many of Forsberg and his potential is endless if he continues to develop.
The emergence of Giroux also makes Briere a surplus. as talented as Briere is, I have yet to see why he’s worth 6.5 million. he has great offensive skill and he can put up points in bunches, but he also has those long stretches of games where he is invisible. Giroux has also shown a commitment to the defensive end of the ice and he is not afraid to dig the puck out of the corner. The same can not be said about Briere.
I hope Briere really earns his keep in the playoffs, as thats mainly the reason hes paid as much as he is. his contract and no trade clause also make him almost impossible to trade.
by njh3293 on Apr 6, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He could waive his clause though
I’m not so worried about that as I am the 6.5m poison pill. Are there teams that could take that salary on?
by Alon on Apr 6, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only that, but demand/trade value for a player like him decreases every year as he isnt getting any younger. The best case scenario for the Flyers is that both he and Giroux put up huge numbers next season. while it would make it harder to part with Briere, it would be much easier to trade him for some real value.
I honestly think the Flyers will have to end up unloading him for a couple of draft picks in a season or two. with the cap shrinking and the emergence of so many young players we’ll have to make room for them somehow. trading Briere for draft picks would be like an NFL team cutting a veteran who is paid much more than his worth
by njh3293 on Apr 6, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
briere
“Giroux has also shown a commitment to the defensive end of the ice and he is not afraid to dig the puck out of the corner. The same can not be said about Briere.”
exactly. this has been extremely evident in every game briere has been in. while i do love his potential scoring threat, every member of this team needs to play defense. even carcillo has shown this potential.
briere just seems more content to let someone else do the dirty work.
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by psudrozz on Apr 7, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s not like the Flyers didn’t know this when they signed him.
He seems to be the only one who can score in shootouts with any consistency. So if they do trade him, can he please teach these guys how to fracking shoot it in the GD net before he does go? Please?
by doubleh on Apr 7, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait and see...
Let’s see how Giroux handles a full season next year with the Flyers. I’m not going to make any comparisons to Forsberg yet, but Giroux is a natural talent. That much is obvious.
Keep in mind that he hasn’t played in the NHL before, so opponents do not know what to expect from him yet. They have not yet concocted ways to contain him, so he tends to have more opportunities than targeted players like Briere, Gagne, and Carter. As next year progresses and teams adjust to his presence, we’ll have to see how he responds.
But as I said, he is a very naturally talented player. He sees the ice extremely well and can pass the puck like nobody’s business. That should bode well for his future.
Finally, keep in mind that he is a winger by nature. He is not a centerman, though I guess they could convert him if they wanted to. Gagne was a center when we drafted him, and he ended up on the left wing.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Apr 6, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Wingman, but he’s played center all his career as well. I think his "winger"ness was a product of his being less large, but now he’s added on a lot of muscle and is more of a two-way player, and is solid on the faceoffs… his vision and dexterity on the ice would fit perfectly as a center type.
by Alon on Apr 6, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what excites me the most about Giroux is how much he has progressed in such a short period of time. When he first joined the Flyers he was constantly getting pushed around and knocked on his ass. He couldnt hold onto the puck when a defender made any contact with him. For whatever reason the turning point seemed to come after that nasty elbow to the head during the Anaheim game. when he returned from his concussion he was a different player. His upper body strength has already greatly improved and he is getting more and more involved with the physical aspects of the game.
Giroux has shown all of the skills that you cant teach, as well as a dedication to improving the skills you can teach. I dont want to proclaim him a superstar yet as he has yet to play a full season in the NHL (remember all of us Phillies fans annointed Pat Burrell a superstar after he hit 37 home runs in his first full season) but the sky is the limit for him.
and while defenses will undoubtebly start to pay more attention to him, he is the type of player who can create plays even when there are bodies draped all over him and there is nothing there.
by njh3293 on Apr 6, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparision to Forsberg?
I Dunno! I am a 30 year Flyers Fan and I hope your right. A comparision between #28 and Forsberg might be a little bit premature in my opinion. Claude is a talented and gifted player no doubt about it, but a lot can happen in the upcoming years. Remember Flocky Hockey? I remember when everyone was comapring him to NHL legends and like a shooting star Ron sizzled out. We got ahead of ourselves and I think it prudent not to make the same mistake again. The Flyers front office has done a nice job to date developing Giroux/ they have been conservative and allowed Claude some time to polish his game before exposing him the Big League.
Forsberg was in the league a long time. He had staying power and didnt “burn-out” like many prodigys can. Lets say, Claude at this point, has a bright future with the Flyers. He has a lot of maturing to do before we can compare him to Forsberg. I would like to see him more responsible in the defensive zone and avoid the giveaways.
There is no question about his talent. Excellent passing skills, has a quick release, and he sees the ice with great clarity. The future will be exciting for Claude and the Flyers and his addition to the team gives the Flyers an opportunity to unload Briere’s hefty salary, if Daniel doesnt start producing.
LETS GO FLYERS!
by CORGON on Apr 7, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I barely remember Ron Flockhart, but a quick scan of his statistics shows that you are right. He was a point-per-game guy in his first year and was never as good after that. Then he was traded for Rich Sutter.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Apr 9, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he really is like Forsberg
Hopefully we don’t trade him away for Lindros v.2.
by doubleh on Apr 7, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
As far as Vision/playmaking yes he is Forsbergesque…but come on Peter would rail guys, while he had the puck…that is what made him so dangerous. He could carry the puck and deliver crushing checks all in the same moment…I love Giroux at this point but this is very premature…he is more of a finesse player that can hit a bit…solid NHL career as long as we dont trade him away.
by Vilneus2 on Apr 7, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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