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2009 Cup Finals: A rematch? Well, that sucks.

If I wanted to watch a rematch, I could go buy the 2008 DVD, guys. Yes, Detroit will face Pittsburgh for the right to hoist Lord Stanley's Cup once again. I'm pretty disappointed in the hockey gods on this one. Of course, I hate Pittsburgh with a passion. It's the law in Philadelphia, and nobody here wants to see them in the Finals again. And that means rooting for Detroit, the Evil Empire of hockey. There's no happy middle ground here.

Most of all though, I'm disappointed because I thought Chicago was clearly the most exciting team in the entire postseason. Watching Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews and that Windy City fanbase come alive again after years of hibernation has been invigorating and, in my eyes, the story of the year in the NHL. I was looking forward to a chance to see so many former Flyers in the Finals. Patrick Sharp kept his team alive just a few nights ago when he put an overtime goal behind Chris Osgood to force Game 5. And Ben Eager also played a critical role in his teams sprint to the Conference Finals this year.

On the former Flyer front, though, Chicago has nothing on the Carolina Hurricanes. Captain Rod Brind'Amour is one of the most beloved Flyers of the 1990s. Joni Pitkanen and Dennis Seidenberg are two of the 'Canes most important defensemen. And goalie Michael Leighton, who surely will go into the Hall of Fame as a Flyer when his career is said and done,

Personal reasons aside, however, I don't think a rematch is good for the growth of the game in the United States. Sure, the league is probably thrilled that their star player is playing on its highest stage again. And certainly, last season's finals was a good series. But, and I'm speaking from opinion here so please feel free to disagree with me, I think fans want to see some parity. I think fans want to see something different every year. I think the average hockey fan would want to see Chicago and Carolina fight for the Cup. Or Boston and San Jose. Or... you know, any matchup besides what we saw a year ago.

But unfortunately, we wont get that series. The Penguins are playing excellent hockey right now and that definitely scares me. But the Wings are the Champions and deserve that respect until they lose the title. Here's to hoping the Penguins don't earn that respect entering the 2009 season.

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Who do you think -- NOT who do you WANT -- will win the Cup?
Wings in 4
22 votes
Pens in 4
2 votes
Wings in 5
73 votes
Pens in 5
8 votes
Wings in 6
152 votes
Pens in 6
54 votes
Wings in 7
39 votes
Pens in 7
30 votes

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i’m a Flyers fan first, Blue Jackets fan second….so a Detroit and pitt series AGAIN isn’t the matchup I was expecting to see. I saw alot more potential matches that, personally, would have been really exciting to see. The Flyers loss still baffles me, from what I saw it seemed like the Flyers should have had control of that series (it all started with losing to the Rangers last game of the reg., still stupid to think about) they just seemed like the better team, but had no really direction at times and the refs/penalties killed us as well.

Back to this year’s Cup Final, I’d much rather see the Wings get the Cup…hopefully stuffs Pitt bad and sends them packing another year, but really don’t see that happening this time around. These are the 09 teams, making this a brand new series between the two familiar rivals. I can see this going the distance to game 7 in the Motor City. Probably how Detroit will take this series too, at home, with ice advantage again over the Pens.

All and all, these two teams made it to the Stanley Cup Finals for a second year in a row. Maybe Pitt will take the series and avenge last years loss(hope not!) or Detroit will carry the Cup two years in a row(hope not either, but Wings are my choice)

by PhillyPhan85 on May 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we all can agree

That no one wants to see the Pens win anything. They are for the great part of history a very below average team. They won back to backs in a down time for the NHL and thanks to a bogus draft lottery and 6 crap filled seasons they got more #1 draft picks than Matt Millen with the Lions. They did not waste those draft picks, mazel tov, but a monkey (or even Bobby Clarke) could have made those can’t miss choices.

Do we root for the Bengals cause they’ve been a pitiful franchise? No

Do we root for the Clippers? No

Does anyone feel bad for the Pirates? I don’t

I lived in Pittsburgh in the years before the back to backs and trust me, no one could have explained a 2 line pass let alone name 5 players on their team. You are a football city Pittsburgh, take that mantle and enjoy it. I would.

Not only can’t I root for the Pens in this series I need to vehemently root against them.

Mario- great player, biggest whiner ever

Jagr- great player but never did a thing without 66 on his line

Crosby- I’ll be brief, he learned everything he knows (complaining, diving etc) from Mario and could be the least compelling face of a sport I can ever remember. I would never want him in Orange and Black

Malkin- does he talk? If anyone has ever heard him talk does he start with “I’ll break you” in every interview? Scary talent though.

MAF- would we be in our 2nd finals with him in goal? I think probably

Guerin- once a Devil and now a Pen, nuff said

Kunitz- will he cheap shot Lidstrom like he did to Kimmo? He’ll try

Yeah, we all remember being swept by the Red Wings and no one despised them more than me that summer but time has passed, those players are gone and I don’t have the outright hatred I do for say the Yanks winning another world series.

I love hockey but to be honest with you, I’m about as excited for the finals as I am for cutting the grass, its there, I’ll get to it, I just hope it doesn’t take that long.

by boknows71 on May 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

You are absolutly right!

Honestly, I have a lot of respect for the presesnt day Red Wings and no respect at all for the Penguins. They are a model franchise who is consistently one of the best teams every year. I hated them for sweeping us but as you said that was over 10 years ago and it is hard to hate guys like Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsuyk and Nick Lidstrom.

I am hard core rooting for the Red Wings to repeat and hoping to everything that is good, right and holy in this world that the Penguins, as the most undeserving franchise, and players like Crosby, Kunitz, Talbot and Orpik do not defile Lord Stanley’s sacred Cup with their greasy fingerprints.

Hey, on the bright side, with the Penguin in the final who else would you rather see them play? The Red Wings, who in my opinion, are the best team in the league and have already beaten the Penguins in a Stanley Cup final or any other Western Conference team? As a hockey fan, and someone who does not care about viewer ratings, and changing the face of the game to appease non hockey watchers, I am all for Detroit, a deserving team, to take over the Flyers role and stop darkness from creeping any closer to the Cup.

GO WINGS!

by flyrsfrk05 on May 28, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I certainly agree with the point that no Flyer fan wants to root for Pittsburgh, nor is rooting for the Evil Empire in Detroit an attractive option but I fail to see how having the league’s marquee franchise versus the league’s marquee player (or players if you count Malkin) is a bad thing for growth of the NHL.

by mbtoole$ on May 28, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s the back to back thing that hurts it, in my opinion. We saw this last year… people want something new.

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by Travis Hughes on May 28, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want something new!

Flyers-Sharks final in 2010! Or Flyers-Anybody but Detroit in 2010!

Although, come to think of it, it would be pretty sweet if Detroit beats Pittsburgh again this year, and we somehow beat Detroit in the Finals NEXT year. Plus, us beating Detroit would be akin to the Flyers beating Boston in 1974. Those Flyers could not win in Boston Garden, and going into the playoffs had only done so 4 times in 7 years. These Flyers have not won at The Joe for over 20 years now.

So in next year’s Finals, Detroit will take Game 1 but the Flyers will take Game 2 in OT on a goal by Richards. The comparisons of Richards to Clarkie will grow ever louder, and everything old will be new again – especially after we hoist the Stanley Cup at home in Game 6.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on May 31, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! Bold statements. I like it.

I don’t care who they play as long as they win the friggen cup!

by flyrsfrk05 on May 31, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just sucks to see the freaking Pens in the finals again…. They’re playing really well, but outside of Gonchar missing a game vs Washington, they don’t appear to have any real injuries, and I think that’s the key for a long postseason

by gnuf on May 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

They have injuries, they’re just not talking about them, just like every team

by Pondhockey on May 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penguins

I’m afraid the Penguins will take the Cup this year, folks. True, they have injuries that they’re not talking about, but Detroit has a hobbled Lidstrom AND Datsyuk. Plus, as well as Ozzie is playing in net, Fleury has been better.

Even though the Wings beat the Hawks in 5, 3 of those games went to OT. Only one game (Game 4) was a blowout, so for the most part the Hawks were right there with the Wings. The Hurricanes were clearly outclassed by the Penguins, as every loss after Game 1 was lopsided. Both the Wings and Pens had second-round matchups that went to 7 games, but Detroit had the tougher series (against Anaheim). The Pens’ toughest series was probably against us… and as we’ve all said, it should have gone to a Game 7 as well.

In short, things have gotten tougher for the Wings while they’ve gotten easier for the Pens. With the commissioner in Crosby’s corner, there’s no way the Pens will lose two years in a row. Plus, with Fleury, Malkin, and guys like Rob Scuderi playing like they are now, I can’t see Pittsburgh losing – especially considering they’re healthier than Detroit. For all of his drawbacks, Crosby is a very competitive player and losing two years in a row will not sit well with him.

As Travis asked in the poll, that is what I think will happen, not what I want to happen. But I agree more with the subject of this post – this sucks. I want to watch hockey but I don’t want to watch two teams I dislike.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on May 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm…but you said it yourself…things have gotten tougher for the Wings while they’ve gotten easier for the Pens. The Canes played way over their heads for much of the end of the season and were a buzzsaw going into the playoffs. Then they hit the wall. This does not allow the Pens to play the best possible hockey going into the finals because their opponent was not on the Blackhawks level.

We’ll see how it turns out; I agree it will be a much more competitive series than it was last year for the Pens and they now have the experience on the biggest stage. At least MAF won’t fall on his butt again when he’s introduced this year (one would hope).

by doubleh on May 28, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fleury Better Than Osgood?

I can’t really disagree with any of what you said, other than Fleury being better than Osgood. Osgood had a completely mediocre regular season, but he’s really come on strong this post-season, and I say this even though I hate Osgood with a passion. Osgood and Fleury both have the 12 wins it took to get here, but Fleury’s GAA is 2.62. Osgood’s? 2.06, and it’s not like he hasn’t seen teams with players who know how to score.

Plus, I can’t say Fleury has looked consistently sharp. I think he’d be an improvement over Biron, but he has a lot of problems with allowing great second-chance shots. Pitt’s defense has done well of picking up his trash, but they’ll face an entirely new challenge in Detroit. But with that said, I too think that the Pens win this series, unless Crosby and Malkin both fall apart.

by CTFlyer on May 30, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fleury v. Osgood 2: Electric Boogaloo

Overall in the postseason, Osgood has better numbers, sure. But Fleury has had tougher competition. He shut down the Flyers with their 20-goal scorers and he shut down the Hurricanes entirely, save for Game 2. And Pittsburgh has won more games because of Fleury than Detroit has because of Osgood. At least it has seemed that way to me.

For the life of me, I still have NO idea how Chris Osgood has two Stanley Cup rings. He’s a good goalie, sure. But if he were the bee’s knees, he would have accomplished something when he was with the Islanders. Fleury is still proving himself, and he’s gotten better every year.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on May 30, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Flyers certainly helped out by hitting iron quite a bit, along with things like Carter’s/Fleury’s (all this time, and I still can’t figure out who to give blame/credit to) “AHHHHHHHHHH, are you kidding me?” moment in game 2, haha. To be perfectly honest, I was cheering for the Pens in their second-round matchup, because I went to school in Virginia, and I couldn’t stand all the (all of a sudden) Caps fans who screamed “TOUCHDOWN!” every time they scored a goal. Fleury’s a pretty good goalie, but he scares me in many of the same ways Biron scares me (i.e., rebound control), and he scared me in that series for that very reason. In the first round and the second round, I’d definitely agree with you in saying that the Pens won more games because of Fleury than Detroit won because of Osgood, but between the two conference finals, I’d say Osgood won more games than Fleury did (especially considering how close the Wings/Hawks series was, that one game in Chicago aside). Fleury’s young, still developing, and although he’s better this year than he was last, I’d still feel a little nervous with him in net. Especially facing a team like Detroit.

I don’t think Osgood is a great goalie at all, but he does seem to light it up at the right moments. Because of that, I think he could make it hard for the Pens to get pucks into the back of the net. As for his two rings, having a team like Detroit’s out in front of him helps out quite a bit, I’m sure, hah. Definitely drives me nuts a bit, but what can you do, besides watch the last bit of NHL hockey we’ll see until October (sadly)…

by CTFlyer on May 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets not forget the Wings won 6-1 without Datsyuk AND Lidstrom. Osgood or no, that’s a lot of depth. What’s the Pens answer to Holmstrom, Franzen, Hudler, Filppula, and Kronwall? Nobody talks about those guys, but they’re vastly underrated.

And that’s not even close to their best players. Chelios, Rafalski, Stuart, and Ericsson are a solid top 4, even if Lidstrom is out and Kronwall hurts himself. And don’t forget: Marian Hossa is on the other side this time.

by Geoff Detweiler on May 28, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh man, I can’t wait to hear the whining about Kronwall when he plasters Kunitz or Malkin.

I am hoping for a huge series from Hossa. How ironic would that be?!?! Haha Beautiful. I’d go get his jersey just to wear it around Pittsburgh as salt in the wound.

The other upside is if the Wings can beat the Pens back-to-back, how demoralizing will that be for Pittsburgh? Great is the reward but greater is the disappointment, two years in a row. I mean, as we Philadelphians are used to, there is something about getting really close but not actually winning – getting strung along until the bitter end so it hurts that much more.

Also, how do the Penguins look with UFA and RFA? Getting far last year showcased guys like Ryan Malone who then bolted for more money. Idk but lets hope they loose their nucleus again and have to bring in the Ruslan Fedetenkos and Miro Satans of the league. . . I am looking for any silver lining possible considering I am not excited about hockey anymore considering the redundant Cup Finals.

by flyrsfrk05 on May 29, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

i have to say that it has gotten easier for the pens but that could be in the wings favor…i mean im not saying that they dont know but the wings bring to the table, the Wings are playing harder hockey, which could be a wake up call for those dudes in Pitt. I would rather see anything then the Pens win the cup. Idc if A Rob became a Phil (which i would despise) i just wouldnt be able to look at the tv if they won. And Hossa wont let that happen. He made the right choice, Id much rather play with Zetterberg and those guys, so much more complete team. They dont bring in old guys and Kunitz to help them get to where they are now. I dont care what Crosby has done, outside him and Malkin, and i dont want to hear about anything about Cooke or Fedourick because they both suck. Detroit knows how to put a team together from the beginging. and if Carter would have put that puck in the net in game 2 things would be entirely different….

by Dlance04 on May 28, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

This is good. Detroit can kick Pittsburgh’s a$$es again.

by FlyersFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

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