Grading the 2009 Flyers: Simon Gagne
Grade: A
2009/09 Salary: $5.25 million - 2008/09 Cap Hit: $5.25 million
2009/10 Status: Under Contract, $5.25 million
Linemates
Mike Knuble and Mike Richards
Depth Chart Ranking: #1 at Left Wing
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Nobody really knew what to expect from Simon Gagne at the beginning of this season. Would he be the same player he was before a concussion knocked him out of 62 games just last year? Was he at risk of hurting himself again? How would he rebound?
Gagne's answer? A resurgent 2008/09 campaign that was one of the best he's had in his eight seasons in a Philadelphia uniform. He finished with 74 points, just five off of his career high of 79. He played a key role on the power play, scoring 12 of his 34 goals with an extra man. He scored four shorthanded goals as well, including two in one game against Pittsburgh in November.
As I've read more than once over the course of the season, Gagne's comeback season could be one of the best in the last decade. Concussions are very serious injuries, and the fact that he missed time last season from a concussion, came back, relapsed, and then did it all over again was a very scary prospect for one of the Flyers best offensive talents.
That make his 2008/09 season even more impressive. He was virtually symptom free for the entire season, and he only missed three games sporadically due to unrelated ailments. And throughout the year, while he was earning first line minutes and producing offense, but the key was that he didn't play any differently. He's not a physical guy in the first place, but he did not seem afraid to take physical contact. Considering his injury, we could all understand a guy like Gagne shying away from the rough stuff, chasing pucks into corners, etc. But he didn't do that, and he deserves serious props for it.
For his outstanding comeback and resurgence, Simon Gagne earns an A.
Next in our Grading the Flyers series is goaltender Antero Niittymaki.
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Grade A
Grade A for A trip right outta here. I’ve heard rumblings of him going to montreal in a deal for Carey Price. I’m not denying Gagne’s amazing comeback, but he has amazing value right now. Also, the man’s approaching the twilight in his career. Make a move, use the cap space, and we go from there.
Didn’t want to disappoint any of the Gagne fans, but sorrrryyy
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 8, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
Hockey players often don’t hit their “twilight” until their mid 30’s. Gagne is only 29. A healthy Gags has quite a few more years of production in him, and Price seems more likely to turn into the next Jocelyn Thibault than Patrick Roy. I think Gagne is too important to this team, being a veteran right around the prime of his career, to move right now.
I agree. He does have excellent value right now but I think what he brings to the table is invaluable to this team. Not to mention that I believe he’s the longest tenured Flyer, the only guy remaining from the 2004 run, and he deserves to be around when (notice I’m not saying if) this team wins a Cup.
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by Travis Hughes on May 8, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Gags to Riches
I cannot imagine the Flyers without Simon Gagne. I simply cannot. If we traded him I’d feel as bad as I did when we traded Dave Poulin for Ken Linseman.
If Knuble walks, and if Lupul and Jones are part of the deal for Bouwmeester, then Gagne MUST stay. I think he should stay anyway.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I don’t think Bouwmeester is going to be part of any deal. I think he wants to grab every cent he can on the free agent market.
he’s gonna screw a team over by taking a ton of movie. whatever happen to the benevolent sports figures, i hate to say this but does anyone remember malkin turning down a rediculous contract to play in russia last year? I mean nhl prominence aside, he turned down alot of money.
12.5 million, untaxed.
I know it’s not correct to make this analogy, but didn’t we make it further last year in the playoffs WITHOUT gagne? Our scoring was fine last year, and it would be fine without him. I guess I’m just not as attached to Gagne like the rest. But he is expendable, and he would fetch us a very good #1 goaltender. Plus there’s the cap space.
In my mind there are only a handful of players that are not negotiable: Carter, Richards, Giroux, Coburn and Hartnell, but Sbisa and Timonen as the outsiders looking in. If you want results one has to make the changes, and I feel that what Gagne can bring in will outweigh what he gives to the team. Gagne’s leadership is non-existent up to this point, so all he really gives us is a scorer who will be 30 next year during the mid point of the season.
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 8, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
An assistant captain that has been with the team for 10 years is devoid of any leadership? Unless you’ve heard players say that or witnessed it from the inside, I don’t see how, on the outside looking in, you don’t give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, that ‘A’ on his chest didn’t just appear out of nowhere.
And yeah, we made it further last year, but that was last year. This year, everybody disappeared in the playoffs except for Giroux… and Gagne. In case you forgot, Gagne led the team in goals in the playoffs. So we made it further last year without him, but if we don’t have him this year, do we even win game 3?
And Hartnell is not negotiable? Over Gagne? Yes, I’d much rather trade the guy who scores more, who is one of this teams three captains, and is on the first line instead of trading the guy who’s always in the box and throws his glove, creating a penalty shot.
Does he have trade value? Yes. Does he have value with the Flyers? Definitely yes. If he is traded, it better be for an elite player, not Giguere, Komisarek, or Kaberle.
by Geoff Detweiler on May 8, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Giguere
Hmmm…. Could be a great by low candidate.
by philiafan14364 on May 9, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
irrelevant by sports knowledge but,
i have 5 flyers jerseys.
rod brind’amour with the c [i was maybe 8 or 9]
gagne white old
gagne black old
gagne new black
giroux orange alternate.
in summation, simon gagne raised me for the better part of my hockey life, injuries and all.
You’re right in that it is NOT fair for you to say we made it farther in the playoffs last year without Gagne. Others have already mentioned Gagne’s value to the team during the series with Pittsburgh, but you seem to be awfully quick to forget that one of the reasons we DID make it so far last year was RJ Umberger, who is not here anymore! So yes, we we still need Simon. Also, if Gagne is “just a scorer”, why was he ranked 13th on the list of defensive forward statistics? You know, the list that generally hints at who might get the Selke trophy ? No, he was never going to win it, but he was only 6 spots behind Richards, who was a finalist for it. So NO, Gagne is not useless defensively!
I also don’t agree with your take that Gagne shows no leadership. Maybe you don’t have the luxury of living half a mile from the practice facility like I do, but I’ve seen the dynamics there and I’ve watched Gagne his entire tenure in Philly. Gagne doesn’t wear an “A” because he’s been here the longest, he wears an “A” because he deserves it.
Now, I look forward to seeing Giroux grow (although he wll grow much faster with Gagne as a mentor, lets not forget that!), and I love Carter and especially Ritchie, but Hartnell as non-negotiable? Seriously? I have nothing against Hartnell per say, but the logic of your statement just doesn’t follow for me.
Goaltending is a major issue, but I don’t think trading Gagne is the way to fix it. We have a lot of young players (i.e. Giroux, Powe…) who need mentors, and we can’t cut off experienced leadership. The departure of Knuble is likely, and Hatcher will probably never be back in the NHL healthy let alone as a Flyer.
You want to complain about cap space, complain about Briere. Briere is amazing when he plays, but his two seasons here as our highest paid player haven’t even come close to adding up to one season of actual playing time. Simon came back from injury and played a whole year with no major issues and played his heart out the whole time. I’ll happily contend that Simon earned his $5 mil and change, and Briere did not earn his 6 and a half million.
by DragonGirl0583 on May 11, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
if Gagne brought us Price
I’d do it. I don’t buy the idea that Price is trash… He had a phenomenal year last year, and this past year was okay too. Nothing exceptional, but the dude’s so young… It’ll be like, another 2-3 years before he hits his prime, and at that point he is likely to become the best goaltender on the planet.
If we could steal him from MTL, I’d be deeeelighted.
In other news, does anyone (Ducks included) do Briere for Giguere?
Grade A
Gagne had an exceptional year with us, considering that he was out basically all season last year. To come back and have the production and impact that he DID have, proves that he is a great asset to this organization. I would be highly disappointed if he was to get traded to someone else(*also means i have to buy another Flyers jersey) but that IS the name of the game. I understand that it might be time for a mix up but I would much prefer to see Knuble get moved then Simon.
Netminding is a concern to us and I’m sure it will be addressed (As long as it ain’t Theodore, ewwwww) Price can still turn into the goaltender that he was believed to be, though investing in him and not having him pan out would be a great tragedy. Giguere was a entertaining thought, a veteran goalie with a Stanley Cup on his resume’ would be a good fit for us to have in net while we search for that up and coming rookie that would be the face of the franchise.(in net, of course) For giggy tho, we would probably have to give up a bit more, but I did hear we were also interested in Beauchemin, so maybe a blockbuster type trade will go down and we will ship multiple players to each other.
Theodore should have been out of the league a while ago. It’s ridiculous to think Washington thought he was capable of leading that team.
by Geoff Detweiler on May 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Some Gagne/Price Thoughts
I think Gags had a very solid year. He played great throughout the year in terms of offense and he was a very responsible player in the defensive zone killing penalties. I don’t think he is entering the twilight of his career just yet, maybe in another 3 seasons. I would definitely like the Flyers to keep him around.
If there was a Gagne for Price deal I would be very tempted to take it. Montreal has Jaroslav Halak who is a pretty good goalie. Price was the 5th overall pick in the 2005 draft and I think it’s too early to give up on him. He’s only been in Montreal for two seasons now and sometimes it just takes goalies a little longer to develop. The kid is only 21 years old and has a ton of potential and has already shown flashes of brilliance (his rookie year minus playoff experiences vs. Flyers). I don’t think Montreal would trade him away so quickly.
In other news I don’t feel like Craig Anderson is the answer to the Flyers’ goaltending question but I’ll wait for another thread to talk about him.
Gags
He had a great regular season but needed to do a lot more than he did in the playoff loss to Pittsburgh. He made some terrible passes in game 6. I would expect more from a 9 year veteran. So what happened to all of the “valuable playoff experience” the Flyers picked up in 3 rounds of the playoffs last year? It didn’t help, did it?
I understand your point, but it’s not like we lost to Montreal. As much as we all might hate and despise the Pens and their captain, it’s not cause they’re a joke of a team and we let them win. Give credit where credit is due. Pens played great hockey and just plain beat the Flyers, next year might be a different story. You can’t tell me though that playoff experience isn’t important.
Can he do it again?
I don’t see how Gagne hurts your team….the guy brings offense, but even though he doesn’t play physical…he’s not chop liver, on the defensive side of the ice either. His plus/minus for his career is +144….he plays offense, defense, Power Play, he plays Penalty Kill..and makes whoever he lines up with better. I think he could improve Danny Briere, if both could stay healthy for a full season.
In his years with the Flyers, he;s been part of the 1999-2000 and 2003-04 playoff runs where the team was a game-7 shy away from the Stanley Cup Finals. The team may have went further in the 2007-08 run without Gagne, then they did in their 2008-09 run with him…..but, I don’t think their playoff flop this season had anything to do with Gagne…Gagne doesn’t play between the pipes or call the shots behind the bench.
Unless you could trade him for Martin Brodeur….I don’t think you wanna get rid of Gagne…he makes the team better (if he stays healthy)
The key for Gagne is can he continue to stay concussion free.
by FlyersGoalies1and27 on Aug 9, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions

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