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This smells like Clarke had his hand in it. The Flyers don't like to develop players, they like to rent them. Being a Flyers fan since the Cup Days, I am not surprised. Pronger didn't even sound like he wanted to be in Philly when he was interviewed. We traded our future players for a 1 year rent a player. Remember Oats? Remember Forsberg? In addition, what else will we loose because of the cap, Knuble? What happened to the other younger defensive players that were available, and why do we have to pay sooooo much money for this one year wonder? Silly trade Homer. First Briere, and now Pronger...duh. Hartz, and Timmy were good trades, but I would have kept Umburger, and dropped Briere.  Oh, well. We wait for the cup once more. I can see getting rid of Nitty (inconsistent/injury prone). Biron, maybe, maybe not. He brought stability to a unstable cage. Who will back Emery? Tampa's Denis? Like I said, here we go again. Upshall please come back. And on and on..........



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Yes, we gave up too much. And yes, the Flyers have done this sort of thing often enough. However, let’s look at some things here:

1. Lupul was out of town no matter how you slice it; it was on;y a question of when and where.

2. As tough as it is to lose Sbisa, it’s not like we don’t have any other younger defensemen waiting in the wings. Danny Syvret played well when called upon, and we have Kevin Marshall, Marc-Andre Bourdon, Denis Bodrov, and some might say Michael Ratchuk and Oskars Bartulis too.

3. Holmgren was in a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” position. If he stayed put and the Blues had gotten Pronger (a definite possibility) and the Flames had gotten Bouwmeester’s rights, everyone would have been up in arms. We wouldn’t have had the cap space to sign a big-name free-agent defenseman, and we’d probably have to give away players for nothing.

This trade may hurt us down the line, but it makes us instantly better for the time being. All of our fellow hockey fans in Anaheim are looking forward to the day when Pronger gives Crosby the what-for.

Also, I think things tend to even out over the course of a team’s history. We got the rights to Timonen and Hartnell in exchange for a draft pick that wasn’t ours to begin with; we got Braydon Coburn for Alexei Zhitnik; we got rid of the undersized Steve Eminger and off-the-wall Steve Downie and got Matt Carle.

Unfortunately, we gave up on guys like Patrick Sharp and Luca Sbisa too early. But that’s how it goes.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jun 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree about Pronger’s want to be here. He sounded very happy to be here in his interviews, and he said he wants to play through the end of his career here. He knows how important he can be for our team and he’s got a number of solid years left in the tank. He also said that if he were to be traded from Anaheim, Philly is one of the places he would have wanted to go. And it just came out that when he was going to be traded from St. Louis, Pronger and his agent wanted to try to make a deal to send him here, the Blues never gave us an opportunity to get him.

If anything, Bouwmeester wouldn’t have wanted to be here.

by Ben Feldman on Jun 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta disagree brother, but I def. understand what you are saying.

Here is what I ask you; do you think Chris Pronger will be an effective defensemen for the Flyers this upcoming season and do you believe that, by adding Pronger, our defense and team as a whole is considerably better? I would say so. For now, forget the future issues that this poses and focus on the fact that the Flyers are primed for a serious chance to win the cup with the current team they have. Holmgren deserves some criticism for this move. He gave up to much to get Pronger but Homer knows the urgency that this team has and has taken a big risk that might have an even bigger reward. The trade hardly depleted our future prospects and we were able to maintain all of our current younger Flyer defensemen (aka Coburn, Parent, Carle) who are developing and finally getting used to playing together.

The Flyers will be perfectly fine in the future as well. This team is by no means old and there is plenty of young talent developing in the farm system. Chris Pronger is the kind of player that can be the difference between bowing out in the First round of the Playoffs and going deep, and ultimately winning the Stanley Cup, even at 35 years of age. His age can be an advantage that neither Joffery Lupul nor Luca Sbisa offer. He is a stong, experienced leader who knows what it takes to play hard and win.

In the long run, yes, ANA probably gets the better end of this trade but in the short term, I think the Flyers have seriously upgraded their team and can now make a legitimate case as Cup contenders. But, we shall see . . .

by Mitchell Green on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

i personally can’t wait to see him lay out crosby.

by Ben16 on Jun 28, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

amen to that one.

although, i hate to admit it but Crosby is so strong and talented it’s almost impossible to lay him out. Pronger’s domination of him will most likely be more along the lines of getting in his way and sweeping the puck off his stick everytime he enters the offensive zone. nonetheless, I love the fact that Crosby and Malkin will no longer be able to prance around our zone untouched

by njh3293 on Jun 28, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crosby

Crosby will be easier to contain than Malkin. Detroit did a great job containing Crosby in the Finals. I think he had like one goal and two assists in seven games.

Malkin is a different beast altogether. We’re just seeing the beginnings of what he can do. He will be a handful for just about everybody, no matter who is on the blueline.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jun 29, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

so strong and talented...and yet an injured mike richards did this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29UtXiJC_sE

and destroyed him with a shoulder check that would have leveled crosby had powe not been on the other side. instead they squeezed cindy like a tube of toothpaste.

http://poorsportsblog.blogspot.com/

by PoorSports on Jul 6, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

this trade also calls for a new avatar. Pronger crushing an opposing player into the boards in a Ducks uniform will have to do until he does it in a Flyers uniform. Nonetheless, I can’t wait for the opposing player to be wearing a black and gold pittsburgh jersey in said picture

by njh3293 on Jun 28, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Remember Oats?”

Do you? The Flyers traded a “can’t miss” prospect named Maxime Oullet along with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks that year for Oates. And everyone was similarly up in arms. Oullet went on to spend exactly 12 games in an NHL uniform, and last year, at the age of 29 played for the St. Marie Poutrelles Delta of the Ligue Nord-Américaine de Hockey (LNAH). Whatever that is.

by MarioD on Jun 28, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup.

We dodged a bullet with that trade. I don’t remember who was selected with those draft picks, but if memory serves it was no one good.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jun 29, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

washington/oates

washington traded the first pick they acquired from the flyers to the dallas stars (along with a second and a sixth) to draft down for none other then Alexander Semin… so yeah, they got a good one… the pick dallas made didnt work out for them…

by fitzy first on Jun 29, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What a joke

I love you people with all problems and no solutions………why dont you let us know what you would have done …….stand pat??? The guy is 34, played 82 games last season and has won wherever he has been. Put your head back in the sand.

by ljn on Jun 29, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

how old are you?

if the flyers extend his contract and get 3-4 good years from pronger and a cup, its a good trade…

by fitzy first on Jun 29, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sbisa

Sbisa wouldn’t crack our roster in a significant role for another 3 years and Pronger will sign here long term as he stated so he is not a rental. At least we didn’t give up JVR that would have been too much top 5 don’t come along too often. You win get a trophy for having great prospects and personally I think Kevin Marshall is going to be a better pro.

by chrislanci on Jun 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus, even if Pronger does not sign long term all is not lost. If he refuses to sign with us or we choose not to give him the amount he wants in a new contract by the end of the season, another $4 or so million in cap space is freed up. It also means that that if the Pronger (and Emery) experiment, for some reason, go ridiculously wrong, they are only guaranteed to be here for a year and Homer has an escape route just in case. I don’t think it will go wrong, actually I think that both are well worth the risk but, as the world shows, you just never know what will happen.

Barring some career ending injury this season, I anticipate that Pronger will be an effective defensemen for at least a few more seasons (and until the end of his career). I know that he wants a 5 year, $6 million deal which, to me, seems a bit steep for a 34 year old defensemen but Pronger has shown no signs of slowing down and I guess, considering his commitment to playing hard and tough and knowing how to win, deserves a reward for his elite career. I understand the comparison to Hatcher, in that giving older defensemen long(er) term contracts is a risk, but Hatcher played his heart out while he was here and, despite his lack of speed and mobiltly, was one of our better defensemen, especially in the Playoffs. What more can you ask for? Yet, Pronger is not Hatcher. Both are big and emphasize the physical aspect of hockey, but other than that, they are quite different. I’ll go out on a limb here and say, Pronger will be much better than Hatcher was.

Look, players are investments. You just hope that you know what you are getting when you bring them in. Homer has gone off of what he knows regarding Pronger, which is really all he can do. It either works well and Prongs finishes his career as a Flyers or it doesn’t and he is outta here by the end of the season, eliminating any cap hit. It is well worth the risk, I’d say…

by Mitchell Green on Jun 29, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS

Pronger averaged 26+ minutes a game for all 82 games……..same as Timmy and Coburn.

by ljn on Jun 29, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Pronger has never reached unrestricted free agency. He’s a pretty loyal guy.

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by Travis Hughes on Jun 29, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

what really hurt the flyers cap space

 What really hurt the flyers cap space is how were paying for 2(not 1 but 2) defenseman in Hatcher and rathje) yes MIKE RATHJE remember him who havent played either one of them last year and got paid respectivley 5 million dollars combined now albiet Hatcher has retired and and was in the last year of his contract which expired in 09 rathje hasnt played since 07-08 and has a contract which expires after the 2010 season then will probably retire but i can almost gaurantee you that he will not play at any point during the 09-10 season and (like hatcher) will collect his 2.5 million dollars remainder on his contract then ride off into the sunset.
 That alone amounts to 7.5 million dollars in contract and cap money the flyer have tied up on players who havent played since the 07/08 campaigns .
 thats whats HURTING the fly guys cap space not the briere , Pronger,or timmonen numbers. those guys are still playing and earing their numbers.

by rasnap1 on Jul 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

You are mistaken

Since Rathje was on Long Term Injury, his contract did not count against the Flyers salary cap. While the team did pay him, his contract did not affect the cap numbers.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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