Grading the 2009 Flyers: Matt Carle
| GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM | TOI/G | PP/G | Hits | BkS | GvA | TkA | |
| 08/09 Regular Season | 76 | 5 | 21 | 26 | 3 | 22 | 21:23 | 2:19 | 38 | 142 | 56 | 47 |
| 08/09 Playoffs | 6 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 22:15 | 2:13 | 9 | 10 | 5 | 0 |
A lot of people think Matt Carle is an over-paid, offensive defenseman who doesn't play defense. In his first professional season, 2006-2007, he scored 11 goals and had 42 points in 77 games with the Sharks. Since then, he has been seen as a bust since he's combined for 7 goals and 41 points in the two years (138 games) since. So the Flyers acquired him pretty cheaply (Despite being a first-round pick, Steve Downie was in Stevens' dog-house) and were rewarded with Carle's best season since his rookie year. In fact, he was easily our third best defenseman this year, if not better than his partner Braydon Coburn.
There are many ways to judge Matt Carle. Starting with his salary, he is now the third highest paid defenseman behind Pronger and Timonen. Sounds expensive, but he makes the same amount Mike Rathje has been making for the past five years, and only $500k more than Randy Jones for the past two years. Yes, he's more than double Braydon Coburn, but Coburn's $1.4 million salary and Ryan Parent's $0.765 million are due hefty raises after this season. So, looking at the other Flyers, it seems he was fairly compensated for his performance this past year.
Carle also had the stats this year to warrant his salary. He had a -0.01 quality of competition rating, fourth on the team, to go along with a 0.02 quality of teammates rating, also fourth on the team. Basically, he played against average competition with average teammates. Even still, he had a better goal differential than Braydon Coburn, who had a 0.12 quality of teammate rating and a 0.01 quality of competition rating. In terms of goals scored while on the ice, Carle was a +5 (56 scored, 51 against) to Coburn's +2 (60 scored, 58 against). Goals against per 60 minutes of play had Carle tied with Kimmo Timonen at 2.42 . Even in more common stats, among defenseman Carle was second in blocked shots, first in takeaways, tied for first in giveaway-to-takeaway ratio with Ryan Parent, and led the team with the fewest penalty minutes per game. In 76 games, Carle drew a mere 11 minor penalties. In comparison, Jones drew 11 in 47 games, Timonen 27 minors in 77 games, with Coburn leading the team at 35 minors in 80 games. Ryan Parent drew 5 in 31 games to come close, but Carle was the most disciplined blue-liner this past year.
On a team against the salary cap, it may seem like a lot to pay Matt Carle $3.50 million dollars. But when you look at his production, you find that his salary is pretty fair. However, with Coburn, Parent, Pronger, and Jones being free agents after this season, someone on the defense will probably have to go. And potentially having your #5 and #6 defenseman making over $6 million combined is a good place to trim salary. Even still, another strong season like this past one and Carle can make that a difficult choice for Paul Holmgren.
As always, highlights after the jump.
Side note: Nice play by new Duck Luca Sbisa there.
Up next in our Grading the Flyers series: Andreas Nodl
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His D is pretty good. He gets a bad rap because he has the ‘offensive minded defensemen’ stigma from his season with Sharks. I agree with the B grade.
Obviously he’s better to have around than Jones, but if it comes down to ‘needing’ to move a D-man, he’ll be easier to move as he much more value. Its the same concept as trying to move Briere, although Gagne may be get dealt instead. If we’re really trying to trim down though, I’d rather try to give Jones away for nothing, instead of getting someone decent for Carle.
I really hope we can work the cap somehow to have Pronger, Kimo, Coburn, Parent, and Carle all here next year without breaking up the offense either. Seems pretty unlikely though.
There’s a reason Carle is on his third team in three years – he’s overpaid.
He’s one of a long line of players the Flyers have traditionally traded for, in hopes that the fresh air in Philly will elevate his game. For the record, that hasn’t happened with any player since 1994 when Johnny Vermont came to town.
To be paying $3.4 million for a #4 defenseman is ridic (I disagree with your assessment of Coburn).
While Carle might have more skill than Jones, he doesn’t have a lick of physicality in his game. The Flyers didn’t get run-over in the first round last season due to a lack of skill. They just got manhandled in their own end, which is why Randy Jones is a far more attractive #4 to me than Carle is. And if you don’t like Jones at his salary, he walks next year anyway.
Flyers can do better than Carle. I hope he’s traded.
Disagreement is good
I tried to argue that is isn’t overpaid in the piece. Looking at his rankings among the defenseman, he was consistently in the top two. He’s our #4 defenseman now that we have two $6 million men.
If paying $3.4 million for a #4 defenseman is ridiculous, how about paying $3 million for a #6 defenseman (Randy Jones)? What is more ridiculous than that?
My assessment of Coburn: I like Coburn, I think he will be our #1 in 2 or 3 years. But this past season was very disappointing, especially when you look at the numbers. When you add in how many penalties he took, it just gets more disappointing. And how many people would like to see Coburn use his size more? I’m pretty sure John Stevens has even said so publicly. (I would normally look that up, but it’s FA day)
On Jones, the problem is that he is not a #4 defenseman, and he’s not getting $3 million to be physical. Despite my clear bias against Randy Jones, how many times he went into the corner this past year and couldn’t check his man. He would either miss or get muscled off the puck. And while the Flyers got manhandled in their own end, it’s not because Matt Carle is small. That’s like blaming Carlos Ruiz’s struggles last year for why the Phillies were so inconsistent: He’s not who should be hitting. Coburn, Parent, Alberts, and Jones are the ones who should be taking the body, not Carle and Timonen.
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Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 1, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I was honestly surprised at how few he took.
Broad Street Hockey -
Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 1, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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