2009 Free Agency: July 1 Open Thread
by Travis Hughes on Jul 1, 2009 10:22 AM EDT
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The NHL Draft over the weekend wasn't quite as busy on the transaction front as people had expected. Only two major moves were made, but the foundations for other moves and possible signings as free agency begins today could've been set while the hockey world gathered in Montreal.
The Flyers, of course, made the biggest move of the weekend, acquiring Chris Pronger. But they aren't done as free agency begins at 12 PM ET. Will they sign a goalie today? Will they re-sign Mike Knuble today? Where will Martin Biron land? Where will Dany Heatley be traded? WILL Dany Heatley be traded?
There are a ton of questions and a ton of excitement is bound to take place today. Spend the afternoon here at Broad Street Hockey.
Here is some reading material to set you up for the day...
- A Flyers free agency cheat sheet, and cheat sheets from all around the league.
- The Flyers salary cap chart, updated as of 11:59 AM today.
- The top 100 unrestricted free agents, a depth chart of available forwards, a depth chart of available defensemen, and a depth chart of available goaltenders.
- The top 10 free agent wingers, the top 10 free agent defensemen, the top 10 free agent centers, and the top 10 free agent goalies. Sorry, Devils... no top 10 coaches list.
- We know Briere has a bad contract, but is it really Wade Redden bad? Danny is at least good at hockey still.
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Just an observation...
If you check the roster on PF.com, the only goaltender is Niitty. Hmm? Or just bad updating?
i feel like randy jones is grossly overpaid. am i the only one that feels this way??
by asmallvictory31 on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
absolutely not.
i’d be curious to hear from people who feel randy jones is appropriately (or under) paid.
nahhhh
only because then we need to start cote, but i would trade cote for an 89cent burrito at taco bell.
To be honest..
Briere and Carcillo to Phoenix for Upshall and a bathroom repairman. That’s all I need.
Yo
Knuble to stay, Biere to trade and Cote and Carcillo to clean the creases during tv timeouts
Holy crap
Tampa locked up Ohlund for 7 years? I hope the Swede enjoys balmy weather. And, you know, being on a crappy team for at least 5 of those 7 years…
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
All still quiet on the Flyers front…I have to say I’m surprised.
Hossa to Chicago though. That man gets around.
Rumor..
Apparently 9 teams have contacted Knuble, and not one was the Flyers. WTF Homer?!
I’m guessing that’s because they’ve been in constant contact. By this point I’m sure Homer knows what it needs to be to get it done, and Knuble is probably seeing if anyone he wouldn’t mind playing for will give him 2 years at a good price.
Can't say I'm too surprised really
Until they can make a trade to free up cap space, I don’t doubt the Flyers brass is content with sitting back and picking apart the “leftovers” from this free agency blitz. Today, the agents are trying to get the most money they can for their clients. Give it a couple weeks, let the energy settle a bit, and then go after the fillers with a more reasonable (or perhaps even discounted) price.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Randy Jones
Think there are any other GMs dumb enough to take on his inflated salary?
I think there would be a few takers. He is probably overpaid for what he brings but only for what, 1-2 years?
well i know my fingers are crossed. you get rid of his salary and suddenly there’s space to resign kuble or his replacement.
Craig’s gone?
So we’re down to Boucher, Clemmensen, Conklin? I haven’t seen us connected to “The Monster” but I wouldnt mind giving him a shot either.
Yup
2 years I believe.
Clemmy’s still my fave, but Bouch will be cheap and he’s MUCH better as a backup than a starter.
Right. 2 years for the Avs.
I’d love to see Clemm, but Bouch is serviceable as a backup and would be cheaaaap
Cheap is most important. I don’t trust Clemm because of a good season in NJ, and I always have issues with former devils anyways. If the Emery experiment has failed by mid-season, I’m sure we’ll be in the market for someone at the deadline.
i’d actually like to give oscar bartulis or danny syvret a shot. i think they should at least see some sort of nhl action this year. then again, i’d also rather have andrew alberts than randy jones.
I’d be ok with bartulis/syvret/guenin being our 7th defenseman, but I don’t know about penciling them into the third pair before the season starts.
that’s where i like resigning alberts. you’re right about not penciling them into a regular spot – i was just thinking about getting them some pro action. though i wasnt too impressed with guenin in the limited action i saw him in this past year.
Got better as the season went on
Started to play the at-home defenseman position better. I had my doubts about him for most of the season, but the latter 1/3rd of the season was much more polished.
For the moderate price, he did what he needed to do.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Knuble
We must sign him one way or another. After all the Pronger excitement it would be a total downer to loose Kubie
We just don't have the money
And I can’t see Knuble taking the sort of major pay-cut that he would have to take in order for the Flyers to fill the holes they still have.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
The Habs continue to give me (false) hope. This time its about moving big/bad contracts. How does that Gomez deal make sense for them?
No it doesn’t. They took Gomez, so there’s no way they’ll take Briere now. That was a sad trade for me.
Hopefully the Isles or ’Yotes will take Briere. Please.
I'm led to believe
that Gomez was their “Briere” deal. I can’t imagine them wanting to take on two huge contracts for players that have been substandard at times.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
I feel like I might be the only one seriously considering John Madden as a 4th line center…I know he was a Devil, but he was a PITA to play against.
Is this for real?
I mean DAAAAMN that is a lot of money and years.
"It was almost like if Harry didn't call it, it wasn't real." - Jayson Stark
http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8469548&service=page&tab=crs
Emery finally on Flyers roster
Replace Knuble with Gionta?? Gionta is about 4’ tall and weighs 130lbs……not much of a force in front of the net……….
Perhaps not a style replacement
but an offensive replacement for sure. I have no problem going after Gionta, except for that small fact that he’s going to command more money than Knuble…
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
we’ll need a presence in front of the net……….maybe JVR but that might be a reach. Seems some folks are down on his progress…
no one is really down
he’s just not NHL ready. He’ll be more than enough of a Knuble replacement in a year or two, but probably not this year.
I dunno man…I’d argue that Rolo is a better starter, at least consistently is. Hmm. If we couldve had Biron for 3/year I’d be pissed.
BTW
So much for Boumister not talking until the deadline…he must have never wanted to come here…..
if you listen to homer on mikey miss, it seems that that went both ways. homer wanted prongs, and either realized jbow wanted to go west or just didn’t think he was a better upgrade
Homer has no money
As I stated (late) above, I’d be half surprised if we made any real signings today. Until a trade can be made to free up cap space, Homer’s hands are tied with who/what he can go after in the market right now.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
*Correction - Homer has no money under the cap
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
When agents are looking for the most for their clients?
It’s probably smarter to make the guys sweat it out for a couple weeks to knock their price back down. Today, however, is the big money day.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Knuble Signing Imminent
No word on which club, but in the East.
Giroux + Pronger on the PP + whoever else we sign is fine with me. I wouldn’t mind seeing Knuble back again but I’m sure he’s losing a step each season.
yeah
he’s fine, when we drafted him we knew he would take a little while. He’s not ready, but he will be soon, and he’s every bit the PWF we drafted.
We are all aware that’s he’s only played a few AHL games so far, right?
I saw him play in the Final game at the Spectrum and the Game 1 loss to the Bears. No actual points (Sirianni stole the show in the first game, anyway), but he looked alright. He’d only been with the team 10 days, so he didn’t have the benefits of even going through camp with those guys to get settled on a line. I saw some good fundamentals, some flashes of good movement, but he didn’t do anything to shock me into noticing him. I don’t recall him playing as many minutes as I might have expected, though that could be because he wasn’t really a full-fledged member of the team. He needs some time, even if it’s not a full season, in the AHL.
That said, he’ll be slightly expensive if we start him day one. He’s gonna make 850K against the cap plus bonuses, so with an average of only $725K per roster spot open to be spent right now, it would be tight.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jul 2, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Today marks the first day former MVP Chris Pronger can officially sign a contract extension to take him beyond this season. Sources tell me he will not be signing an extension today with the Flyers. No word on any future contract negotiations with Philly.
anyone else see this on Hockeybuzz?
Listen, we get to look at this with fresh eyes now. We’ve got a top 6 forward group: Gagne, Richards, Carter, Hartnell, Briere, Giroux.
And we’ve got 4.1 mil to spend on a backup goaltender, and a guy who can win faceoffs, those are the two priorities. This may open up the trade winds, who knows. This isn’t the end of the world.
I'm curious
as to how much of a paycut Knuble was willing to take to stay in Philly. Because at $2.8mil per year, there is no way we were going to be able to sign him.
I’ll be honest, I had no expectation to resign Knuble. Would I have liked him back? Certainly. But we just don’t have the cap room right now, and until someone is willing to do us a favor and lighten our cap burden, there was no way he was going to slide under the cap successfully.
That will be the key – if someone allows us to dump one of our salary cap, then we can start to really look around. Otherwise, get used to names like Brad May and Yann Danis…
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Yea…sorta sounds like the Broncos and Dawk..let’s overpay, or at least know we’ll pay you MUCH more than the former employment
I'm seeing more as
Knuble was willing to give the Flyers a break, but wanted “fair market value” from everyone else. Since we couldn’t find the combo of 2-years and the right price, Knuble went with the best price on the board.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
if JVR doesnt make the team this year, there is something wrong with him.
he hasent shown anything yet and has his best opportunity to make the club. im worrying that he is going to be a bust, god just think if we had kane.
Calm down
JVR has nothing wrong with him, when we drafted him it’s because we thought his peak would be elite, not because we saw his present as elite. He was one of the best players in college and on Team USA the past two years, he’ll be elite in the AHL for a year, and then he’ll play great in the NHL. Think of it like Bobby Ryan vs. Sidney Crosby. Everyone was calling Ryan a bust because he wasn’t playing at Crosby’s level, but both those guys are incredible now — Kane may always be better than JVR, but maybe not, and in the meantime we need to be patient with him.
What do you guys think about signing Ruslan Fedotenko? Panaccio mentioned that Homer would target him if we couldn’t re-sign Knuble
fightlockdown.com
Well I forget who said it, but that 04 playoffs, he was the most dominating force by a long shot…and some say EVER. Oi. Miss him so.
I don’t think we need Fedotenko, he’d be a decent third line winger, but what we really should spend that money on is someone who can win faceoffs.
Waiting for the announcement
that the Flyers sign Roenick, Recchi, and Shanahan to one year deals, giving us the oldest 4th line in the league.
What’s sad is that all three are easily within the salary limits I’m sure Homer is working around…
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
I've thrown around the idea of resigning Recchi
He’s still putting up more points than his age, and he’ll likely come cheap (perhaps at a discount for us). At the very least, he could get us from point A to point B until we solve this cap issue.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
I'm seeing 800k,
but yeah, Shanny was the better “value”. I guess.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
And now my day just got worse. Fuck Boucher. Fuck Homer for not getting Clemmensen and fuck everything else cuz Knuble is gone and I have a headache.
What’s wrong with Boucher? He’s been great for San Jose. He’s our backup. And I don’t understand this love affair with Clemmensen. He had one good most of a season .. playing for a team that inflates goaltender numbers .. I wouldn’t trust him.
I’ll look around…
I painted an old plastic Jason Voorhees mask with his WW1 era stuff years ago…loved Bouch.
I definitely agree.
After his sophomore slump (really, a mistake by Boucher to holdout, get a huge contract and the added pressure after he wasn’t even the starter in January) he beat Cechmanek out for his job back the third year. Was playing amazing hockey. Then got hurt.
Fun fact: This is now the fourth time Boucher has signed a contract with the Flyers – When drafted, new contract after his rookie year, two years ago when he played for the Phantoms, and now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 1, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
is matsumoto going to finish in the top 5 in the nhl in faceoffs? i don’t think so, we need someone like that more than we need to replace any kind of scoring
Looking over what's available in our money range
I think we’re down to Eric Perrin… or a dead fish.
(Excuse me – sea kitten…)
I kid, because I do concur. If we can avoid the “nagging injury” bug, I’m not too concerned with the offense. If we can find someone with a heightened face-off ability, it’s worth the focus for now.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Note that Homer has mentioned he wants to keep about $1mil open for any mid-season moves (due to injuries).
Our cap keeps shrinking and shrinking…
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Not necessarily
But you have to look for guys who are willing to sign for about 1mil if you want to fill the remaining holes.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Well what are we looking at for potential bottom 6 from current roster? Carcillo, Cote, Powe, JVR, Nodl, Ross?
I'm assuming, for now
Asham, Carcillo and Powe are all locks; Nodl sounds very likely; and we’ll have to see what happens with Cote.
Either way, that’s 4 of 6 that are likely set. Ross is a RFA, and if we’re lucky, he’ll resign for cheap. That would make a likely 5th lock. If we put Ross at about 750k (rather predict over than under), it leaves about 1.1 mil to work with – and that’s keeping the $1mil cushion for Homer.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Interesting...
trading Anderson for Clemmensen?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 1, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll put Colorado out there
Unless they’re stone cold set on Peter Budaj…
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Heh heh... how quickly I forget...
How about the Leafs?
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
They're still hesitant about Toskala
I wouldn’t be surprised if they look for a (1a) type goalie.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Simple question:
TSN has Ohlund’s signing at 12:30 pm. Doesn’t that raise eyebrows? Teams aren’t allowed to talk to other players until noon, so to contact, negotiate, and agree within 30 minutes… wouldn’t that lead to either lots of rule breaking or massively over paying/taking a worse deal? I’m just thinking, maybe he should have waited an hour or two (or a week) to see what teams become desperate for defensive help and up their offer. Baseball isn’t like this…
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Except veteran presence, but he’s not good at faceoffs, doesn’t replace Knuble’s scoring on the PP, weird.
For me, it's a Carcillo situation all over again
It’s not that I don’t like Laperierre – he can certainly bring a lot to the team. But for the cost, and for what is still available, I just think there are better moves to be made here. Doesn’t mean that I think he sucks or will be horrible. I just question the value compared to the other options open on the market.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
Cole stays in Carolina for 2 years. 2.8 + 3.0 www.tsn.ca
Hahah... go home and have a drink or two
The world is not over yet, and season has yet to begin.
"...You know, Reemer, someday I'm gonna own a big sports bar."
haha
i know i know, just disappointed, as I think we all are . . .
i am slowly becoming less assured of this team
I am going to take this advice and have some scotch. I’m still scratching my head with this signing, when I think the money could’ve better been used elsewhere, but I guess the Flyers think Laperriere is what they need for the bottom lines – maybe they’d rather count on him than some kid from the AHL. I dunno.
So we’re looking at:
Asham, Laperriere, Carcillo, Powe with a hope for JVR to make the team, and/or Nodl/Ross/Cote for the last spot?
Which leaves us around 2 mil under the cap, presumably, 1 mil of which could be used to target one more depth forward (please let it be a faceoff specialist) or a 7th d-man.
just looked it up: Laperriere’s fo% was around 43% last year whereas Malhotra’s fo% was 58%. good work homer. looks like you know what you’re doing. jackass.
Laperriere wasn’t signed to take faceoffs, he’ll play on the right wing, most likely. At least.. I hope.
Biron is really looking like one of the biggest losers of the day. Those top tier FA forwards like Gaborik and Havlat are gonna get money from somebody, the hell is Biron gonna play? Russia?
Do you get the feeling Homer is content with the roster? I’m thinking maybe we add one more person in FA or that he’s just gonna leave it alone and see how the season goes. All this chatter about Hartnell, Briere, Gagne, Jones being moved, I feel like he’s avoiding too much roster turnover.
in an effort to stay positive…maybe we’re gonna be ok. i mean, JVR has the potential to be that top line winger that we’re really missing right now. it’s just a matter of when he gets there. our defense is really stellar right now, and if JVR steps up then our only forward needs are to get a faceoff man & to get rid of carcillo……
There’s plenty of reason to be positive, mostly because of Pronger. We knew we weren’t going to be big players today unless we pulled a trade, so this is fine. Gotta hang a lot of hope on Emery, but with Pronger in the mix, Giroux a year under his belt, the tantalizing possibility of JVR .. there’s much to look forwards to.
he actually looks a little nervous. they’re just asking him about his goals for training camp, what college hockey was like as opposed to the few games he played with the phantoms, and all the ridiculous DNL questions like “give some examples of how people have mispronounced your name” and “what did you do on your birthday” and “does your college have frats” etc… he was only on for a little bit
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