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Grading the 2009 Flyers: Kimmo Timonen

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Grade: A
08/09 Salary: $8 mil
09/10 Cap Hit: $6.33 mil
09/10 Salary: $7 mil
Linemates:
29.9% Ryan Parent;
29.6% Ossi Vaananen
Depth Chart Ranking:    #2 Defenseman






 

GP G A P +/- PIM TOI/G PP/G SH/G BkS GvA TkA
08/09 Regular Season 77 3 40 43 19 54 24:31 4:04 4:39 164 48 30
08/09 Playoffs 6 0 1 1 -3 12 26:21 4:47 4:41 18 2 2



What else can be said about Kimmo Timonen that hasn't already been said?  He is quietly one of the best defensemen in the NHL and has been for quite some time.  In Nashville, he didn't get much attention and now that he's in Philadelphia, it seems as if everyone just expects him to be as good as he is.  Even this past year, people were talking about how he "only" scored three goals.  But that is not a fair critique of his offensive production, nor is it a reflection of his contribution to the team.  In my piece about Jay Bouwmeester a few weeks ago, I explained how exactly half of Kimmo's assists were primary assists and how he took only 104 shots.  It is likely that these numbers were the result of Kimmo having teammates who are able to deflect his shots into the net and/or his ability to draw defenders toward him, allowing him to find the open man.  With the Flyers 9th in power play goals, 6th in power play percentage, and 4th in goals scored on the year, why people choose to focus on Timonen's goals and not his overall contributions just appears petty.

What should be focused on is Timonen's overall game.  He once again led Flyers defensemen in points, plus/minus, and blocked shots (ranking 12th league-wide), and only failed to lead the team in ice time by a mere 6 seconds per game. He did this all while playing against the second-highest quality of competition - first place was his partner, Ryan Parent.  Across 60 minutes, Kimmo gave up 2.42 goals.  While that was only average on the team, it was also less than both Braydon Coburn and Jeff Carter.  The only players with fewer goals allowed per 60 minutes, who also played against above average competition, were Mike Richards, Simon Gagne, and Mike Knuble - and Kimmo faced stronger competition than them (0.06 to 0.05, 0.02, and 0.04 respectively).  Also of note, Timonen's partner - Parent - had the worst goals against per 60 minutes than anybody on the team. Imagine what Timonen's GA/60 will look like if he's paired with Chris Pronger and Braydon Coburn nearly 60% of the time instead of Parent and Vaananen.

The only thing that is even remotely troubling about Kimmo's season is the amount of giveaways.  Despite having the fewest of any defenseman playing at least 50 games, he averaged 0.623 giveaways per contest.  Those numbers would hardly be a weakness in anybody's game, but if there's something Timonen can improve upon, this is it.  While not a big concern, other defensemen around the league are better with the puck.  Chris Pronger had a 0.536 turnover per game ratio.  As an extreme example, Johnny Oduya had 0.366 per game.  So, is it a small complaint? Yes.  Is it his biggest and most easily corrected weakness? Also yes.  With the Flyers struggles breaking out of their own zone last year, this could go a long way toward a smoother transition game.  Coburn (0.738), Carle (0.737), Parent (0.806) and Jones (1.000) being more careful with the puck could only help too.

Looking ahead, the Flyers defense is an area of strength.  With the addition of Chris Pronger, the Flyers will have what Anaheim had the past few seasons:  Two of the best defensemen in the game on the same team.

After the jump, enjoy a few talkies.

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Up next in our Grading the Flyers series: Scott Hartnell

Poll
Who do you want to see paired with Kimmo Timonen next year?
Chris Pronger
139 votes
Braydon Coburn
178 votes
Ryan Parent
122 votes
Matt Carle
18 votes
Randy Jones
7 votes
Danny Syvret
7 votes

471 votes | Poll has closed

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Timonen is worth every dollar he is paid and then some. He’s without a doubt the backbone of this team, which became pretty clear when he was out for a few games, and for good reason. He deserves a lot more attention league-wide than he gets, and now with Pronger, he’s going to get even less (…not that I’m complaining, and obviously Kimmo’s not about to complain either).

by Ben Feldman on Jul 19, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I love Kimmo’s game I think he is as good if not better than Desjardins. I still would like to see Pronger paired with Coburn as two guys of that size would be really hard to play against. Kimmo with Parent worked out great last year. If Parent improves as expected look for even more production in 09’ with less ice time due to Pronger’s arrival. Kimmo seemed to wear down at the end of the year and who could blame him with Pronger this won’t happen and I expect another solid year.

by chrislanci on Jul 19, 2009 3:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Can you have a bad pairing that includes Timonen? It would be tough to find.

by Ben Rothenberg on Jul 19, 2009 3:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Kimmo

I would like to see Coburn back with Kimmo, as Coburn had his best season two seasons ago while they were a pair. I’d like to see how Parent teamed with Pronger would work out. I just don’t like putting our top 2 D-men together, except for the PP.

by bd22 on Jul 19, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd be happiest with Pronger & Timonen together

But, I’d also be happy with Coburn & Timonen and Pronger & Carle. If you go other than that, you get repetition — Pronger & Parent are both relatively slow, and while Pronger can puckhandle (really, the distinction of offensive vs. defensive defenseman doesn’t apply to him or Timonen) it’s nice to have one guy who stays at home and another faster partner basically.

Really, I don’t think we have any bad D pairings — our only weak link is Jones, and even he isn’t all that awful. He’s an okay 6th defender. As long as we have him there and Pronger & Timonen getting the most possible icetime for them, we’re basically in excellent shape defensively.

by Alon on Jul 19, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m fairly convinced a member of the Syvret family cast that vote for Danny :)

by Ben Rothenberg on Jul 19, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

pair Timonen with Parent again and Pronger with Coburn. If we’re protecting a 1 goal lead late in the game or if we have to kill off a big penalty we should put Timonen with Pronger as our ultimate shut-down pair. sorta like how the Penguins pair Malkin and Crosby together on the PP or when theyre down in a game

by njh3293 on Jul 19, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Timonen’s really one of the most underrated defencemen in the league. Pity he didn’t have a better playoff.

Pronger works really well as a defenceman who elevates the play of a less-talented partner. I’d keep the Timonen-Coburn pairing together and work Pronger in with a youngster who can learn from him and have his game improved by being out there.

Should work out well. Much improved on the backend this year.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 19, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I think I’d put Pronger with Parent and Timonen back with Coburn. But Carle and Jones together makes me a little nervous.

I can’t say I would be averse to trying Jones with Pronger, keeping Coburn with Carle and Timonen with Parent. Take the three weakest dmen and put them with the three strongest. It’d be interesting to try, at least.

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by Travis Hughes on Jul 19, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t want to see a Pronger and Jones pairing. That means you’re putting Jones up against a top line. Pronger will be mashing Crosby into the wall while Jones passes the puck to Guerin. No thanks.

by Ben Feldman on Jul 19, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what if, as James mentioned, Pronger makes Jones a better player? As much as we rag on the guy around here, I think it’s unfair to say he doesn’t at least have some potential, and if Pronger could make him realize that potential, even if it’s just a little bit, would it be worth it?

But you’re right, too, and I totally agree with you. The Jones we all know against a the opposing team’s best players isn’t an easy thought.

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by Travis Hughes on Jul 20, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

if not pronger & timonen

I still like Pronger/Carle as a line, with Timonen/Coburn and Parent getting plenty of PK time with Pronger.

by Alon on Jul 20, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not too hot on a Jones/Pronger pairing. when the trade happened I mentioned that iot benefits Randy Jones by allowing him to play 3rd pairing minutes against third line players. I think Jones will better maximize his potential in a lesser role

by njh3293 on Jul 20, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just can’t wait to see pronger and timonen on the PP. it’s going to be so nice to finally have a dman who can shoot (and actually hit the net), and playing across from (and behind) high calibur playmakers. should certainly be one of the best PP1 lines in the game, whichever forwards get thrown out there.

by eeeeee on Jul 20, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I would be fine with:

Timonen-Coburn
Pronger-Carle
Jones-Parent

or

Timonen-Pronger
Coburn-Carle
Jones-Parent

Jones needs to be paired with a real stay-at-home guy. He was at his best when paired with Alberts last year. If Parent continues to progress, he could be an effective partner for the more offensive-minded Jones.

I still cut Jones some slack because he was one of the few guys who seemed to give a crap in 2006-07. I won’t necessarily miss him after this season, mind you, but I don’t hate him as much as everyone else.

But as for Timonen, he is my favorite Flyer. I am not wont to have a favorite Phillie / Eagle / Sixer or anyone, but Timonen does all of the little things right and he shows up every game. What’s not to love?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jul 20, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

All good players get better.

Kimmo Timonen has a great game, and overall, I’d dare say…he was the best player on the team the last 2 seasons. He may not have contributed in goal scoring, but he’s a defensemen…..who can score..and has a well rounded game. He plays Penalty Kill and Power Play….
The key to Timonen is health. When healthy he’s been everything the Flyers expected to be when they brought him here 2 years ago.
In addition he gives you an extra Shoot out weapon if ya need it, but that’s of least importance.
He is always aware of where the best players on the other team are, and he’s good at keeping the Puck in the attacking zone….that’s a big key to a successful power play..just keeping the puck in the zone.

I think Timonen should be paired with Coburn again….except on Power Play situations..I might experiment pairing him up with Pronger there, and move Richards from Right Defense down to one of the Forward positions for the Power play.

by FlyersGoalies1and27 on Aug 9, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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