Summer Fill - A Conversation with The Copper & Blue - Part I
Let me tell you a secret: not a whole lot of hockey gets played in August.
But SBNation never sleeps. The hockey blogs on this grand network of ours got together and paired off across conferences. Broad Street Hockey drew The Copper & Blue, SBN's Edmonton Oilers community. The Flyers and Oilers have made more finals than any other teams since expansion, so this is a real powerhouse match-up
You remember the Oilers as the Flyers' opponent in the 1987 Stanley Cup finals, where the Flyers won an epic Game 6 at The Spectrum before returning to Edmonton for Game 7. I never heard how that Game 7 turned out--please don't tell me.
There are two parts of the conversation, the first in which Geoff and I answered their questions, and the second in which they answer ours.
Here comes the first part, after the jump.
Since the days shortly after Ron Hextall, it seems that the Flyers have always had a nagging goaltending issue. Given that Ray Emery wasn't even the best goaltender on his KHL team, do you foresee him as the answer or a cheap stopgap?
One of the things that's great (yet torturous) about the Flyers as a fan is that they are always in "win now" mode, seemingly. No rebuilding long term, no stockpiling draft picks, just getting the players they think are the best available to win the Cup this season. And it leads to the Flyers fielding (icing?) a lot of competitive teams, but ones that often fall just short of glory. I believe that since expansion, the Flyers have made it to more conference finals than any other team, 15. But they only have two Stanley Cups to show for that, and none in the last 30+ years (thanks so much for '85 and '87, by the way...). You may have seen Bob Clarke express some frustration at how this philosophy hasn't worked for the Flyers as well as he would have liked, while our in-state neighbors now have a cup thanks to a boatload of top draft picks that they got from being so bad that they faced bankruptcy.
So to get off of the soapbox and back to your question, no. I don't think Emery is a stopgap in the sense that he's filling in during a planned interregnum while the Flyers shop for a bigger fish.
With that in mind, it's also important to point out that the Flyers "win now, buy the best" philosophy has rarely if ever extended to goaltending. I think Ray Emery may have actually been the best goaltender on the market this summer, but he's also not exactly a stable commodity. It's a risk in what has otherwise been a very solid summer in my mind.
I'm also personally a huge Brian Boucher fan, and I remember that he took us within a win of the finals in 2000. If push comes to shove, I'm confident in his abilities to step up.
Will the expectations be too much?
As far as Emery goes, I think expectations are fairly under control. I don't think anybody expects a Vezina performance, nor do I think anyone would be too shocked if he gets out of control and mows down a teammate in the parking lot. He's a wild card, and so the expectations are wild.
As for the rest of the team, expectations are always high for the Flyers, and are again this year as always. Losing to the Penguins two years in a row has stung, but this year's series was so close (within a three-goal lead of Game 7) that I think the organization believes it is close.
Will the addition of Pronger and the strength of Mike Richards as captain help with expectations?
The addition of Chris Pronger is huge. Not only does he make our defense better, he adds size, experience, leadership, and respect. Last year, we finished the season with Kimmo Timonen as the captain of the D, with promising young defensemen Braydon Coburn, Ryan Parent, and Matt Carle rounding out the top 4. While those three look to be strong going forward, Chris Pronger makes the team much better. Not only on the ice, but our defense now has two of the best in the game to learn from and to set the tone of the team.
The expectation game is different. After the run to the Conference Finals in 2008, the expectations were high going into 2008-2009. Now, the expectations are even higher with the addition of Pronger. Mike Richards has taken some criticism for his leadership last year, but he was labeled Captain material since the day he was drafted. There were definitely moments last season that did not go as smoothly as they should have, as even Richards has admitted. Learning from Jason Smith and Derian Hatcher helped, but now he has Pronger to lead alongside him, as well as respected veterans Timonen and Gagne as the alternates. With four strong veterans leading the team (plus the addition of Ian Laperriere), the leadership issues from last year should be handled much better this year, making the high expectations a little easier to cope with.
Given the cap issues the team has, where do the Flyers turn if Emery goes south?
Ben already dealt with how the salary cap issues affect the team in goal, but the problem extends throughout the roster, and even started last year. Scottie Upshall was traded at the deadline because they couldn't afford to have both Danny Briere and Claude Giroux on the roster. This year, the team couldn't afford to re-sign Mike Knuble and had to shop in the clearance aisle during free agency. In addition to Knuble, Martin Biron and Antero Niittymaki were the main salaries allowed to walk this off-season and Joffrey Lupul was traded in order to bring in Pronger.
Going forward, if the team needs to lose even more salary, Matt Carle and Randy Jones appear the likely options. As it stands now, CapGeek.com estimates only $372,085 in cap space available. That total, however, includes Andreas Nodl, Lukas Kaspar, and Ole-Kristian Tollefsen, none of whom are guaranteed to make the team. In addition, the numbers include bonuses that could be paid to Nodl and Ryan Parent. Alternatively, nhlnumbers.com estimates $2.157 million available, but that only includes 19 players.
So, it is definitely possible that the team uses their AHL players to fill the holes, including Nodl, Kaspar, Jonathan Matsumoto, Jared Ross (when/if the RFA re-signs), Patrick Maroon, and less likely James vanRiemsdyk. As evidenced by the injuries last year, the team would like to keep some cap money free; so would your free-wheeling owner with a track record of poor management decisions be interested in a Briere and Jones for Andrew Cogliano and Ladislav Smid deal?
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I love this feature and all the different team sites that are doing it. I bet a lot of people remember the Flyers and Oilers meeting in 1985, too. I wasn’t alive, which unfortunately is a good thing…
Looking forward to learning more about how the Oilers are doing this offseason.
by Ben Feldman on Aug 14, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think we’re best not even mentioning 1985…
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by Ben Rothenberg on Aug 15, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was such a great series. Hextall was simply amazing. It’s not often you win the Conn Smythe Trophy when you’re a member of the losing team.
by doubleh on Aug 14, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really wonder what would have happened with Hextall had Pelle still been around.
by Ben Feldman on Aug 15, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few more Calder Cups for Hershey? I saw Hextall play with the Bears before he was called up with the Flyers. I grew up 20 mins from there and only was ever allowed to attend minor league hockey for years. I was in college before I ever saw a Flyers game in person (Philly was the big, bad evil city…don’t ask). The fact that that area is now all Caps country is disgusting to me.
by doubleh on Aug 16, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In most of Pennsylvania...
…Philadelphia is the big bad evil city.
A childhood friend of mine moved from Philly to Lebanon, and everyone in his new school was talking about what a horrible place Philly was. He was taken aback to say the least.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Aug 17, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grew up in Myerstown, which is minutes from Lebanon on Rte 422. The area is very PA Dutch, and as such, is very resistant to change of any kind. I am PA Dutch and am proud of my heritage, but there is this fear of anything that might threaten their simple way of life. Philly is counter to everything they’ve been taught. Most are judging the city when they’ve never even been there. When I moved to Pottstown, I was pretty much ex-communicated. It has its charms, but for the most part, I was thrilled to be freed from that prison.
by doubleh on Aug 17, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my first experience in center city as a kid were seeing these dudes snorting lines in their car at the stop light
by fitzy first on Aug 17, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
zOMG
In that picture, Pronger looks a little bit like Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber
by philiafan14364 on Aug 15, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Back in 1985 and 1987 the Oilers were orange and blue, not copper and blue right?
I’d prefer if the Oilers and Flyers would go back to using the uniforms they did back in 1987. There’s a lot of awful uniforms out there…
But, good analysis of how the salary cap could haunt us if Emery goes south and the injury bug bites…..maybe we could invest in Michael Vick? does he skate?
by FlyersGoalies1and27 on Aug 16, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s not get into Vick again, but I will say that there’s a big difference between being a jerk (for lack of a cleaner term) and electrocuting, shooting, drowning and hanging dogs, not to mention giving someone herpes and not telling them, and trying to smuggle weed onto a plane.
As for the uniforms, the Flyers’ home jersey (which was the third jersey last year) is really just a modernized version of the one they used back then, but I wish the current jersey used the exact same shade of orange as the ’70s and ’80s jersey.
by Ben Feldman on Aug 16, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1987 game 7
remember the feeling you had in the pit of your stomach game 7 vs. jersey CF and tampa bay game 7 CF. like they gave it their all and had nothing left. injuries and emotions spent… and the Oilers had the most unlikely of heros in that game with glenn anderson
by fitzy first on Aug 17, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unlikely hero?
First of all, there was hardly just one hero in a game where the Oilers outshot the Flyers 43-20, found iron five times, and still won going away.
Second, Glenn Anderson is the furthest thing from an unlikely hero I can think of. He’s in the Hockey Hall of Fame, ranks fourth on the list for all-time playoff scoring, and third for most playoff overtime goals. He wasn’t The Great One, but he was a great one, and has six Stanley Cup rings to prove it.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 18, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say...
Anderson is no “unlikely hero.” Not by a long shot.
The Flyers were toast by that game. They spent everything they had just to tie the series at 3 after being down 3-1.
My old boss was from Edmonton and we always argued about that series. He’d always say, “The Oilers were only toying with you.” I disagreed. Watch Game 6 and tell me that the Oilers were slacking off in that game. They were not.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Aug 21, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the talent laden oilers of the 80s- i guess that whole team should be in the hall o fame…
by fitzy first on Aug 25, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t referring to the third orange jerseys the Flyers debuted this season….I meant they should go back to wearing the orange jerseys that looked similar to their current road jerseys. Like the ones they wore in both the 1987 and 1997 stanley cup finals.
The new orange jerseys resemble their original road jerseys from the 1960’s and 70’s.
by FlyersGoalies1and27 on Aug 18, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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