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JVR's performance tonight key to cracking NHL roster

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"We have to put players on our team that will make an impact,. If James is one of those guys, then he will be on our team.This isn't a situation where we are going to develop players. We have to get off to a good start and put the best team possible on the ice. If he is ready, he will be here."

>> John Stevens

And thus, the door is open. Will James van Riemsdyk skate through it?

He's certainly trying. The 2nd overall pick in the 2007 draft scored four goals in the rookie game against the Capitals on Friday, and in scrimmages against his NHL-level teammates yesterday, he tallied an impressive shootout goal against Ray Emery. John Stevens has given him a vote of confidence by placing him on a line with Danny Briere and Claude Giroux, although the coach has mentioned that we should not read too much into that.

Nevertheless, JVR is impressing in his first Flyers training camp, and the question should at least be raised: does he make this team? He's among the 35 players who made the trip with the team to Detroit today, and it's presumed he will take the ice tonight when the Flyers take on the Red Wings in the first preseason matchup of the season.

It's early in the youngster's career, there's no doubt about that, but many of his peers in the class of 2007 are already playing in the league. You could contribute that to the fact to the Flyers organizational depth and JVR's desire to stay in college and avoid going pro until last April, but five of the other top nine players in the top 10 of his draft class have played at least 30 NHL games thus far.

JVR is certainly behind the curve, and the higher ups in the organization were vocal in their displeasure with his decision to stay at the University of New Hampshire until the end of his sophomore season. General manager Paul Holmgren, in particular, felt that his domination of the competition at UNH stagnated his development. He must prove that isn't the case by showcasing his talent among professional talent, and his performance in training camp thus far is going a long way toward that goal.

It's one thing to light up the college ranks. It's another to light up a rookie camp game with five points. It's yet another thing to standout amongst an NHL team in a training camp scrimmage. It would be a giant step forward to do the same in a real game against another NHL team, though.

It's not an official NHL game tonight, of course -- just preseason -- but that doesn't mean that the quality of competition isn't at an NHL level. Many of the Red Wings players van Riemsdyk will play against tonight have played at the highest level of hockey in the world, the Stanley Cup Finals. If he can continue to impress against that type of talent, it will go a long way toward him cracking the Flyers roster in 16 days.

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Go JVR Go we need to get a new photo he looks like his about 12 in that picture. I think he has added 30lbs to his already large frame since that photo was taken at what I am assuming was the 07 draft.

by chrislanci on Sep 16, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Purely from a economic standpoint, how are the Flyers going to be able to afford having JvR up with the big club when he is making $1.6 million? Won’t that be a problem with Cap space? Maybe I am wrong though . . . just wondering.

by Mitchell Green on Sep 16, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely would be a problem

But Muncky from A Clockwork Orange suggested the Dennis Gauthier treatment be given to Randy Jones. I can get behind that.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 16, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could get behind that depending on the play of OKT. Despite Jones’ gross contract he is still, as has been used many times before, servicable as a 5th/6th defensemen. OKT does not excite me much and I worry that he is a defensive liabilty. I don’t want to weaker our defense to force JvR into the lineup if he can be better suited getting tons of ice time with the Phantoms. But, hey, its about time this kid started to make some noise with the big club.

by Mitchell Green on Sep 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely. And seeing as how OKT has played 70 games over the past two years, Danny Syvret may be the real option, and then you’re really unsure of the drop-off. The problem though, is that including JVR in the lineup requires at least offsetting his $1.6 million cap hit.

Like you said, its about time we’re at least talking about when he can make the team, rather than when he stops being an amateur.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 17, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Typo?

“John Stevens has given him a vote of confidence by placing him on a line with Danny Briere and Claude Giroux, although the coach has mentioned that we should read too much into that.”

Should that read the “the coach has mentioned that we should not read too much into that”?

by philiafan14364 on Sep 16, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I assume so

And thus I changed it. Hopefully we’re right Travis.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 16, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, yes. You guys are right. Thanks.

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by Travis Hughes on Sep 16, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy Jones...

I agree – “Give him the Gauthier”!

by SanDiegoScraps on Sep 16, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Bleh. Not going to be televised. Dissapointed.

by BroadStreetBully on Sep 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Contract

No reason to start the clock unless he forces you to.

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by Derek Zona on Sep 16, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

It was more of a “If he forces his way on, how can we afford it?” question. Personally, I’m still hoping he gets 3-4 months at least in the AHL.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 17, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he looks ready, bring him up for a bit. Worst case scenario in all of this is that JVR isn’t truly ready, has to go back down for a few months, and we maybe lose Jones on waivers (or maybe not).

by Ben Feldman on Sep 17, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

But what does that do for the kid? Maybe he can handle it (I would hope he can), but maybe he can’t. Either way, with Mika Pyorala and Blair Betts it sounds like they can afford to keep him in the minors for a little bit.

It’s up to him if he deserves to start the year with the Flyers though, and even then he still might not.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 17, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about JVR the only goal tonight? unassisted no less

by craiger6 on Sep 16, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

He was also on the ice for a goal against.

by MarioD on Sep 17, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep it classy buddy.

by MarioD on Sep 18, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

jvr could score 20 goals n u would still bitch .. hes the future of the franchise .. and a top line winger .. he needs to make the big club .. ur an idiot .. all u talk about is face offs .. who the hell cares.. we dont need a FO specialist .. i play hockey .. i cant win faceoffs .. but it doesnt matter .. just tie up the other guy and hope ur teammate can get the puck .. as long as the other guy isnt winning it cleanly its not even a big deal .. ill take carter and ricards anyday over some bum like manny ..

by jack is better than asante on Sep 19, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

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