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Finally, hockey is upon us.  Well, almost. 

The Flyers started their rookie camp this week, and the story has already shifted from "Does JVR impress enough to win a spot?" and "Is Patrick Maroon a credible threat to make the opening night roster?" to "Flyers invite two players to camp, both could make team."

The first player - Mark Bell - is possible, but the newest addition - Blair Betts - has an even better chance to make the team.  As Ben mentioned in his story earlier, the Flyers have a shortage of wingers and an abundance of centers.  But with Tim Panaccio saying Giroux will start as the RW on Carter's line, the line combinations could take any number of turns.

After the jump, some of the possible scenarios.

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With Hartnell-Carter-Giroux, the team could very easily return to Gagne-Richards-Briere, as it did at the start of last year.  One would figure that Ian Laperriere is guaranteed a spot while Arron Asham, Darroll Powe, and Dan Carcillo have jobs that are theirs to lose.  Riley Cote appears to be fighting for his job, with one more forward spot open. 

So, for arguments sake, suppose the third line is Carcillo-Powe-Laperriere.  If Blair Betts makes the team, the team has a fourth line center and another penalty killer.  Cote and Asham could fill the remaining roster spots.  Or both Betts and Mark Bell could make the team, leaving Cote without a job. 

On its face, Betts seems like a perfect fit for 4th-line center.  He had the second most blocked shots among Ranger forwards last year, had a 7:32 giveaway-to-takeaway ratio, averaged 2:59 SHTOI/G, and was tied for fifth best on the Rangers with a 2.39 GAON/60 (would have been 8th best on the Flyers last year). But there are plenty of centers on the Flyers trying to make the team as well.

Does Betts fill out the lineup with Cote keeping his job? If Cote is in fact the odd one out (Maybe it's Asham, Powe, or Carcillo?) will a rookie claim a spot? Does Ross keep the job of 4th line center he occupied in the playoffs?  If Betts wins that job, can Ross move to the wing, forcing someone out? Will either Matsumoto or Patrick Maroon crack the NHL? Can Kalinski come back from his injury and earn a spot?  Could one of the veteran forwards signed make their way back to the NHL?  With so many players fighting for two spots, camp will be very interesting.

And that's only the forwards!  Kidding, the back 7 appears set (Kimmo, Pronger, Coburn, Carle, Parent, Jones, and Tollefsen)

If you have answers to these questions or have questions of your own, now's the time to share.

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I certainly woudnt mind seeing betts in a Flyers Jersey. No disrespect to cote, but, I think Betts could fill his roll and add some skills to the team on the fourth line.

by craiger6 on Sep 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Considering Blair Betts has a total of 96 PIMs in his entire seven year, 339 game, NHL career, and according to hockeyfights.com has never been in a fight, if Blair Betts I think there’s a better chance of a pig laying an egg than there is of Blair Betts filling Riley Cote’s role.

If Betts makes the team, he’s taking Darryl Powe’s job.

by MarioD on Sep 10, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

You’d have more of a point if the Flyers didn’t already have guys like Asham and Carcillo – as well as Pronger – who drop the gloves fairly regularly.

I’m still reserving final judgment on Darroll Powe until later. If he has a lousy year, maybe then we can say “He doesn’t belong in the NHL.” We already know what to expect with Cote, and we honestly can’t say that with Powe yet.

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by mikefive on Sep 10, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

And guys like Asham, Carcillo, and very much especially Pronger you don’t want fighting. Cote is there to fight so Pronger doesn’t have to lose 5mins in the box. And that, precisely, is what Blair Betts won’t do.

by MarioD on Sep 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cote out

I like Riley but the league has gotten away from enforcer role and carrying a guy to fight the other teams Enforcer in predetermined bouts is a waste of time and roster spots. It is not like Brasher is just going to beat up Carter if Cote is not out there. This team has lots of guys willing to drop the gloves “when necessary” if an opposing player runs a guy or the the million other violations of the unwritten hockey code of conduct. Lappy, Asham, Hartnell, Richards, Carcillo will all throw down and at least one of them will be on the ice at all times plus Emery is out there all the time too. I am sure he is going to get into some “gatherings” this year.

The “new” NHL officiating demands that your 3rd and 4th line guys have to be role players, top line checkers and penalty killers because so much time is spent on special teams. The days of 8 to 12 PIMS per game are long gone not is is closer to 20 – 25 PIM per game a lot more time on the PK. Betts is perfect fit for 4th line center with Powe moving up to the 3rd line or over to the 4th line wing. WIth some more defensive orientated winger, Nodl or someone getting the other forward spot. He can also fill the coveted role of faceoff specialist everyone has been looking for as well. He should be cheap I would welcome the addition. Leave Maroon and JVR down in AHL as scoring line injury call ups and run 2 “chip in” checking lines on lines 3 and 4.

We don’t have enough scoring type forwards to go with 3 solid offensive orientated lines this year. Throw out some big bodies and crash the net with the bottom six forwards. Dump and chase and muck and grind old school Flyers hockey.

by chrislanci on Sep 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Please direct me to a source for any of these "stats’ you just posted

1)

The days of 8 to 12 PIMS per game are long gone not is is closer to 20 – 25 PIM per game

NHL.com: Last season, 22 teams averaged 15PIMs a Game or less. 27 teams had fewer than 16 PIMs per game. The Flyers had the highest PIMs/G with 17.5.

Your ranges are not the same size, so let’s call the ""8-12" 10 and the “20-25” 22.5. That means that, in fact 27 of 30 NHL teams were NOT

closer to 20 – 25 PIM per game

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He can also fill the coveted role of faceoff specialist everyone has been looking for as well.

According to NHL.com his last two seasons his faceoff win percentages were:

2008: 49.3%
2007: 50.3%

Though marginally better than Richards and Carter’s numbers, last season Betts was the 63rd ranked faceoff taker and two years ago he was 53rd. That’s not really a “faceoff specialist”

by MarioD on Sep 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agree that Cote’s time is up. He’s a great guy in the community, and it’s a shame the Phantoms moved so he has to leave Philadelphia, but there’s no room for a player of his skill level who didn’t score a single goal last season on this stacked roster.

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by Ben Rothenberg on Sep 11, 2009 5:09 AM EDT reply actions  

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