Fantastic Breakdown of Halak v. Price
"At this point, [Halak's] overall body of work does not warrant a top six forward, but the combination of his potential and his recent play might shake one loose. Halak has played great, but I also don't think it is a coincidence that since [being shopped] Halak has started 5 of his 8 games against teams below .500 while Price has faced zero in his seven starts."
Even though the Flyers already have too many goalies, if you still think Jaroslav Halak would be a good move to make, this could be the best breakdown available.
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Geoff Detweiler
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STOP WITH THE GOALIE again
Goalies 9 times out of 10 never live up to their potential a good team defense is much more important, Scott Clemensen is a great example he played great for the Devils who have a great defensive system 2.39 GAA 0.917 SV PCT and for Florida not so good defensively 3.53 GAA 0.888 SV PCT. Same can be said for Tim Thomas he was a average goalie at best until he played behind the solid defensive team in Boston he plays amazing and wins the Vezina.
Remember these names young goalies who were deemed the next great goalie of the future.
Andrew Raycroft 2003-2004 Rookie of the year who carried the Bruins with an amazing 2.05 GAA and 0.926 SV PCT. He was traded to the Leafs for a much better prospect goalie in Vesa Tuskala (also not a top 6 foward) and might be the one individual most responsible for Toronto’s fall to the bottom of the league. In two years with Toronto SV PCT 0.885 and a horrible 3.45 GAA. He was waived, contract bought out bounce over to Colorado 0.892 SV PCT 3.14 GAA and now is serving as a backup to Luongo in Vancouver.
Jose Theodore Vezina and Hart Trophy winner for the Canadiens in 2001 0.931 SV PCT 2.11 GAA amazing play once traded to the Colorado for nothing in goalie David Abischer, certainly not a top 6 forward, over 3 years with the Aves GAA 2.91 SV PCT 0.896 and currently costs the caps 4.5 million on the cap with a unimpressive 2.96 GAA 0.899 GAA and he got benched after 2 horrible playoff games last year for AHL backup Varalmov and is only getting starts because Varalmov is injured.
Vesa Toskala 2.35 GAA 0.908 SV PCT with the Sharks and 3.26 GAA 0.891 SV PCT with Toronot last season even worse this season he is now a backup making 4 million on the cap.
Carey Price called by some in Canada as the second coming of Ken Dryden. Solid regular seasons for MTL 0.910 SV PCT and 2.75 GAA. However the young goalie could not get it done in the playoffs as we know the Flyers chased him from the pipes two years ago and last year was even worse 0-4, 0.878 SV PCT with a staggering 4.14 GAA.
Price is young and can probably turn it around and by time his career is over he might have lived up to his lofty expectations, but this Flyers team is built to win NOW. We can’t go after a young goalie like Halak with no playoff experience who is going to demand high salary in the offseason as a RFA, costing us not only the top six forward MTL is looking for but also will prevent us from signing or re-signing other players this summer.
A high price to pay for an unproven talent that might not ever be able to duplicate his regular season numbers when it games really count in the playoffs. I don’t want to see this team fall apart like Toronto who pinned all their teams success on a young goalie who never pans out. In the Salary Cap era that is a hugh gamble to take especially with a team who already is getting good enough goaltending for a proven playoff performer in Ray Emery. Who is 18-12 in the playoffs with a 2.57 GAA and a 0.904 SV PCT.
The Flyers should concentrate on adding another NHL experience D-Man to bolster the top two pairings on the blue line for another nice playoff run. Jordan Leopold is the best name that comes to mind with only a 1.7 million dollar cap hit fitting him in under our always tight cap situation should be do-able.
First, I’m not advocating at all for the team to go get a goalie. I saw this post come up in my RSS feed and it’s such a fantastic, thorough piece of writing that I just had to share it. The fact that it involved a player recently rumored to be offered to Philadelphia made me think it was relevant, especially considering a lot of people wanted him.
Secondly, did you even read the article? He does a fantastic job of dispelling the notion that Halak is “the next great goalie of the future”. This is evidenced by his muted praise here:
Approaching 25, he is beginning to figure out the pace and tendencies of the league and mature as an NHL goaltender, there is no doubt that he has become a number one NHL goaltender, the question is can he become a dominant franchise changing goaltender?
That’s hardly saying he’s an incredible goalie. Even the quote I posted under the link comes right out and says he’s playing against bad teams and isn’t worth a top-6 forward.
All those names and numbers you threw out aren’t really useful. Especially when you consider that Montreal can hardly be considered a good defensive team. They have the second worst 5-on-5 ratio in the league and they give up the 3rd most shots on goal per game in the league.
Halak enjoyed plenty of goal support in December. A goals against average of 3.18 and a save percentage of .914 would have produced a .500 record.
Those numbers hardly suggest a goalie who has been stealing games.
Appreciate the work put in, not the (non-existent) advocacy to acquire him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 14, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just wanted to point out other examples where trading for young goalies completely backfired and in all cases a top 6 forward was not near the asking price for a young goalie who is about to go RFA.
Oh, certainly.
Gainey is clearly in need of a top-6 forward, so he put out that request, hid his asset where he is most likely to succeed in an attempt to inflate his value, and hope he finds a sucker. It’s a shame that Waddell found a gem in Pavelec, or Montreal might have Kovalchuk by now.
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 14, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
and by gem I mean “capably below average goalie” obviously.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 14, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I Just Cant Stop!
Giving the top six forward (Carter) in a deal to Montreal would not only be based on the worth of Halak but getting back one of there wingers as well, such as Plekanec or Kostitsyn. And, to make the money work out, someone like Gill might be in there as well.
what do we then do with the 4 goalies on the roster and we would be way over the 50 player roster limit if we did a 4-1 for Carter that is not possible we are not in a position to make a 4 for 1 type deal
Carter + Boucher would work cap-wise for Halak + Gill + Kostitsyn, though I doubt Montreal would agree to that – I think they’d be giving up more than we would.
Another one that would work cap-wise would be Carter + Coburn + Boucher for Halak + Hamrlik + Metropolit. We’d take on about $50k in cap. Hamrlik has one year left on his deal, Metro and Halak are both FA (UFA and RFA respectively).
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I should have put in the deal at least Boucher or Emery goes to Montreal as a back up and the other is waived. I would assume they would want Emery and we would waive Boucher. Also, possibly, someone like Powe or one of the other indistinguishable low cost forwards also goes just to get them off the roster (?). And this is completely based on the money working out. The interesting part of Halak and Plekanec is that Halak is an RFA and Plekanec is a UFA. They would be on a tryout until either the playoffs or beyond to determine if we want to sign them. If something goes horribly wrong this would afford the Flyers some serious cap space they might be able to retool with in the offseason. I know it sound zany to lose Carter for possibly nothing but in the cap world having 5 million + has to be considered as no less than strategic and we are not hurting at that position. Obviously feel free to call me nuts it doesn’t bother me.






















