Bob Clarke: Hockey Without Fighting Is Like Vodka Without Alcohol
Flyer legend Bob Clarke was in attendance at DC's Verizon Center on Sunday as the Flyers took on the Capitals, and Sovetsky Sport correspondents Natalia Bragilevskaya and Pavel Lysenkov were able to sit down with him and get his take on Ovechkin and fighting in the NHL.
The fellas over at Japers' Rink commonly translate Capitals-related interviews from that publication, and they were nice enough to pass along this mostly Flyers-centric interview with the former general manager, former captain, and forever Hall of Famer.
For a look at Clarkie's thoughts on the Capitals and what playing with Alex Ovechkin would have been like, head over to Japers' Rink. To read his thoughts on the current style of play in the NHL, the current Flyers team, and what the sports would be like without fighting, take the jump.
Every team has their own style and philosophy. What is
"We always tried to play aggressive hockey. But in today’s reality it doesn’t work too well. Now the NHL wants to accentuate high speed and high scores. Aggressive play often leads to penalties and losses."
Your new head coach Peter Laviolette is not known as a devotee of fighting, but the Flyers still drop the gloves in almost every game.
"The players themselves make the decision to fight or not. If a player decides to raise his fists and respond to those who trespass against him, he’ll do it no matter the philosophy of his coach. But you can’t go overboard with the fighting now because of the penalties."
So
"It seems that way. A lot of changes have taken place in the last few years, and if you stay in the past you’ve lost. The new rules in the NHL, doing away with the red line, all this has led to a faster and higher scoring game. It would be suicide to try and continue to play gritty power hockey."
Do you miss the good old days?
"I always liked fighting. I think that the league reacted too harshly to this aspect of the game. But now I’m just a fan, following the game, and nothing more."
Did you hear about the bench-clearing brawl that recently happened in Chekhov? It was even widely reported in
"I am very surprised! I could never believe that something like that would ever happen in your hockey. It’s difficult to imagine it happening in any league. Even the NHL has never had that many penalties assessed in a game. It seems like the Russians have gone mad!" smiled Clarke.
You mean
"We never were a bunch of goody two-shoes. A couple of times I even saw players in full gear and skates go up into the stands to deal with some fans. They had to call the cops. After all, you could have easily cut some bystander with a skate.
Several
The General Manager for Vityaz, which is the most fighting team in
"Alex wasn’t like that when he played in the NHL" smiled Clarke.
The Vityaz fans expect fights from their team; much like several years ago when some advertisements for the Flyers farm-team guaranteed "delicious fights". What makes a
"We love fights, but we won’t turn down some goals. In the 1970’s we weren’t able to fill the stadium. When we started fighting, the fans started showing up. It seems like Zhamnov is using the exact same tactic and is hoping for success. Has Vityaz seen an increase in attendance?"
The ratings are indeed increasing. Could you ever imagine hockey without fights?
"Could you imagine vodka without alcohol? Hockey without fighting would be even more dangerous. No matter what, players are going to take out their aggressions; it will just be in a different manner. They’ll hit each other with sticks, break bones, play knee-on-knee. It may seem paradoxical, but fist fights help avoid violence on the rink. I can’t see any reason to take fighting out of hockey."
But goons are becoming extinct like the wooly mammoth. Maybe the league should enact some legislation to protect and preserve them?
"Don’t put them on the endangered species list just yet. Every team still has some. I came into the NHL in 1969.We had fighters 40 years ago, there still are fighters, and there will be fighters 40 years in the future. The players still want their team to have one or two heavyweights. And the fans like it."
But it’s not enough just to be a tough-guy now. You also have to be able to play hockey.
"For sure. Very few know how to fight anymore. Now you have to play on the third or fourth line. That wasn’t required in the past. But I still stand by my opinion, every team should absolutely have a tough-guy."
Again, thanks to J.P., tuvanhillbilly and the gang at Japers' Rink for their hospitality.
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Some of my thoughts on the interview…
I think Clarkie is still more than just “a fan”, even though that’s all he says he is. I mean, he’s still an exec on an NHL team.
I also think he makes the most simple, most convincing argument for fighting that I’ve ever heard when he says…
They’ll hit each other with sticks, break bones, play knee-on-knee. It may seem paradoxical, but fist fights help avoid violence on the rink. I can’t see any reason to take fighting out of hockey.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 19, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s very true. In international hockey in some of the smaller leagues in more remote locations where there isn’t fighting guys basically turn their sticks into swords and start beating each other.
Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.
by zephyr on Jan 19, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly you guys are right. Leagues and officials continue to let guys get away with crap and that ups the ante and lets guys think they can get away with using their sticks like weapons.
Don’t get me started on the fact that cross checking calls seem to be almost non-existent these days. They’ll call a hold in a heartbeat, but a dude gets leveled from behind near the boards and nothing happens.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Jan 19, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s pretty much the crux of the argument. European hockey leagues that don’t allow fighting have some of the dirtiest stick work you’ll find anywhere. But the pacifists in North America never watch that so they don’t realize it. I guess they’d say “just penalize stick fouls more and more harshly” but at some point I’d like to see a 5 on 5 hockey game.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 19, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These pacifists that call for no fighting don’t really understand the game and probably erroneously think their team has no players capable of dirty play.
Officials can’t be everywhere on the ice and they are bound to miss some calls and get things wrong. Also, your point about letting them play is valid. Penalizing every stick foul is ticky tack BS. The whole point of changing the game was to make it faster, quicker, higher scoring—not to extend the game to 4 hours.
by doubleh on Jan 19, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And not to change the game to a special teams competition. There has to be a line, and admittedly it’s difficult to find, but IMO the NHL has not done a good enough job doing it.
As for the refs being everywhere, anyone that doesn’t like the 2 ref system should go watch and AHL game and see how much garbage goes on behind the play.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 19, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those pacifists are probably the same people, who think that hockey is nothing more than grown men skating around and punching each other. I’d rather the league go under than to cater to those people.
Some think too much, then come too soon
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by jello44 on Jan 19, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a cool interview. The tough-guy thing he was talking about at the end I think will be more true than the teams wanting heavyweight fighters. I see those phasing out more and more.
Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.
by zephyr on Jan 19, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Clarke 100%. Fighting allows for things to not get out of hand and more violent than they are. Fighting allows for the players to police the game better than the refs or Colin Campbell ever will. Fighting allows for guys to draw lines in the sand so to speak and allows for there to be a penalty for crossing that line.
Remember, it takes two to tango. Guys fight because they agree to do so. Gloves are dropped simultaneously and guys go at it. There is a purpose behind it, it’s not just two guys fighting for the sake of fighting. At least 99% of the time that is the case.
Clarke is absolutely right. If you take fighting out of the game then what Marty McSorely did to Donald Brashear will not be just a one time incident.
by EREX21 on Jan 19, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aside from all the fighting quotes, this one jumped out at me:
“A lot of changes have taken place in the last few years, and if you stay in the past you’ve lost. The new rules in the NHL, doing away with the red line, all this has led to a faster and higher scoring game. It would be suicide to try and continue to play gritty power hockey.”
I wish he had realized this when the changes were instituted, rather than 5 years later. But if he realizes it now, hopefully Homer does too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 19, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess when that’s essentially (arguably, of course) the reason why he lost his job as GM, it makes him take a step back and analyze things a little more.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 19, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe now he can come back and try again. Not like Homer is really all that great.
by EREX21 on Jan 19, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my take too. He was a GM from another era and quickly realized his approach wouldn’t work so he took a more high-level position with the team and let another guy deal with the details.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 19, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and
“If a player decides to raise his fists and respond to those who trespass against him, he’ll do it no matter the philosophy of his coach.”
Who talks like that??
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 19, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I got a laugh out of that as well. I had to do a double take.
by EREX21 on Jan 19, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That reminded me of Jules in Pulp Fiction before he kills a guy.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 19, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
“And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.” Or “Does…he…look…like a bitch?”

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 19, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does…he…look…like a bitch?"
What..?
Some think too much, then come too soon
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by jello44 on Jan 19, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The quotes are always classic. I disagree with much of what he’s said over the years, but what I love about him is the lack of B.S. combined with his use of language regarding violence.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Jan 19, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s wordcraft, man— wordcraft :) I’ll take the blame (or credit, whichever) on that. I’ve always said that translating is as much art as science, and doing a reverse translation back into English presents it’s own challenges. The Russian version did indeed use the particular word “trespasser” (as in ‘forgive those who trespass against you’), and not knowing exactly what English word Clarkie had originally said I thought that gave it a little more literary twist than using a synonym like aggressor, assailant, foe or simply opponent. Yeah and I can’t deny it gives Clarkie a little bit of Jules’ coolness.
"I tried to capture the spirit of the thing"
by tuvanhillbilly on Jan 19, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, you should definitely take the credit. Don’t give that to Clarke so easily.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 19, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A 60 year old man?
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 19, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the flyers don’t need fighters. they need another knuble or leclaire.
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by psudrozz on Jan 19, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s like saying the Yankees should lower their payroll.
by Ben Feldman on Jan 19, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course we don’t need more, we’ve already got enough guys who can hold their own in a fight. Heck, even some of our skill players have a mean right cross… He doesn’t get in many, but has Giroux lost a fight yet?
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 19, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but the only one I can think of at the NHL level was him pummeling Svatos.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Jan 19, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He got Tyler Kennedy pretty good too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ohxIUDEdPg#t=1m22s
Some think too much, then come too soon
I just curse the sun, so I can howl at the moon
by jello44 on Jan 19, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had both of those in mind, and they were both pretty obvious wins, even though the Kennedy roughing call should have counted as a fight and didn’t. I’ve seen some video of him fighting in the Q and the strength of his right cross is pretty convincing in them, too.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 19, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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