Flyers outlast Umberger-led Blue Jackets, 5-3
by Travis Hughes on Jan 20, 2010 2:07 AM EST
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While the Flyers were busy taking care of the Columbus Blue Jackets on Tuesday night, Flyers fans here at Broad Street Hockey were busy helping earthquake victims in Haiti. Mike MacLean at The Cannon, SBN's Blue Jackets blog, pledged five cents for each comment in tonight's open thread, hosted over at The Cannon. While the colors may have been blue and red, the discourse was certainly orange and black, as we rocked the house and made the place look just like home.
Thanks largely in part to readers of BSH, 1,108 comments were made in total on tonight's game, meaning that Mike will contribute $55.40 of his own money to charities supporting the Haitian people in their time of need. We'd like to try to match that total, as well. Unfortunately, I'm not in the position to do it myself right now, but as a community I don't see why we can't raise that much money or even go beyond it. I've put up 10 dollars to start.
After the jump, we'll have a link where you can donate via PayPal, and no matter how much you can throw together, please try to contribute, even if it's just a little bit. Every penny certainly helps. Our donations will go directly to the American Red Cross' Haiti Relief and Development Fund.
On to the game, though. The Flyers came out and scored quickly on a first-minute goal by Jeff Carter while the defensively-challenged Jackets continued to look lost throughout the first period. But despite an Arron Asham tally early in the second, and thanks to former Flyer R.J. Umberger, who clearly had some jump in his step in his return to Philly, Columbus was able to claw their way to a 2-2 tie midway through the second period.
It was then, just after Umberger's second goal, that Ian Laperriere decided to take matters into his own hands. He dropped the mitts with Derick Brassard, a bout that seemingly turned the momentum tide in the Philadelphia direction. 62 seconds later, Carter scored again to give the Flyers the lead for good.
The story in the third was the Flyers relentless attempt to get Jeff Carter a hat trick, but it was Dan Carcillo of all people who snapped a 50-foot wrister over the shoulder of Columbus goaltender Mathieu Garon for the final Philadelphia tally of the evening. Despite an empty Jackets net in a 5-3 game late, Carter didn't see the ice and the free hats given away were kept on the heads of the Wachovia Center faithful.
After the jump, questions with answers, comment of the night, and more on how you can help us match The Cannon's donation to charitable organizations benefiting earthquake victims in Haiti.
Questions With Answers
- How does Emery respond to a less-than-stellar second debut? Better, but he still made his share of mistakes, especially on Umberger's second goal. He's still working himself back in to form, though, so as long as this doesn't continue, it's okay.
- The power play took a step backwards on Sunday. Do they improve? They were just one-for-five, but I thought they looked better and more in-sync than against Washington.
- What kind of reception does R.J. Umberger receive from the Philly crowd? When it appeared he had a hat trick goal in the third period, the hats rained down on the Wachovia Center ice. Whether you agree with throwing hats for an opposing player or not, and whether it matters that Rick Nash was credited with the goal anyway, it was still an awesome gesture. It's also safe to say the guy loves Philly, still.
- Can Bartulis and Tollefsen not play like crap today? Personally, I didn't notice them nearly as much as I did against the Caps, which is always a good thing for defensemen. Tollefsen in particular, however, made himself seen a few times by mixing himself in the physical play against his former team.
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They made it look super routine, which is nice for a change.
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Giroux’s assist on Ashams goal was sick. Hopefully, the demotion to the third line will have him playing better and not making so many damn turnovers. Richards needs wingers who are goal scorers, too. I don’t know if Powe is a better goal scorer than Giroux but I do know he is more willing to shot the puck.
Emery really needs to work on his rebound control he really should not have give up either of RJ’s goals. I bet Emery starts against the Rangers. Is it a bad thing if I wished Lieghton was going to start?
This is the best thing that could have happened to Giroux and I look at it as less of a demotion to the 3rd and more in terms of moving him back to Center where plays best. I think we can expect great playmaking from him if stays in that spot.
Richards line on the other hand is definitely in need of some balance. Hopefully Powe can bring that but I think him and Gagne really need a big body (similar to Knuble) to complement them.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 20, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
For some reason I keep getting this message evertime I try to donate:
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I’m not sure. I can’t test it cause it’s my account, but several donations have gone through already so I’m assuming it’s not a problem.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 20, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not happening for me. Maybe you want to try all those random browser problem fixes, like clearing your cookies, making sure cookies are accepted from the paypal website, etc.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 20, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Emery needs a couple more games to get in a groove. he’ll definitely start the next game. Also keep in mind that leighton’s success was due in large part to the way the team was playing infront of him.
by edbro on Jan 20, 2010 8:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Emery is prone to rebound issues that is his weakness. He had rebound problems in the beginning of the year as well bit got much better as he played more. Hopefully after a few more starts he will get much more.
by chrislanci on Jan 20, 2010 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry for the bad English blame the iPhone.
by chrislanci on Jan 20, 2010 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
dammit, I was just about to come on and post about how I couldn’t wait to read mario’s recap of last night’s brilliant performance.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 20, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
You have to know by know MarioD expects a perfect game every game for all 82 games until that happens the and we go 82-0-0 you can expect him to say anything positive. Not even a nice job by Carter owning Sammy Pahlsson in the all important faceoff circle winning 14 out of 18 against a guy who is 53 pct in the dot this year and one of the annual faceoff leaders in the league for his career. MarioD was taught wrongly the saying is “if you don’t have anything NICE to say don’t say anything at all” not the other way around.
jesus, most teams don’t give a 60 minute performance on a night to night basis. look at the pens last night as a good example.
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First off, they started Brent Johnson in net. And even though it was their backup goalie, are the Penguins happy with that performance?
When the coaches review the video of this one, they will see some things that make them very happy, and others that will make them break out in a cold sweat.
“There’s a lot of positives to take out,” Johnson said. "Definitely, there are some things every single one of us in there wants to get better at.
[…]
“We stopped skating,” Malkin said. “Maybe we thought the game was over, but it’s never over. Every team wants to win, and the Islanders played tough.”
Meanwhile, the Flyers’ assessment of their own half-assed effort?
“For the most part, we played a complete game.”
Who’s not impressed by a mostly complete game against a terrible team?
not sure what you are trying to say here.
been watching hockey a long time. can’t remember a complete 60 minute game out of any flyers team-there is always one defensive breakdown, or mental slip up. there are 22 players active every night, and one will screw up.
if you are looking for perfection, i suggest you watch something else. one can only hope the breakdowns are limited, and the good guys win.
while last night was far from it, there were many positives to be taken from this game.
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I think all he’s asking is that they admit that those breakdowns happened, and actively try to improve. Not that they should be disappointed or have to skate extra drills because of the pathetic effort they put out last night, but more that good teams improve even off of wins. And also that a win against Columbus isn’t exactly the benchmark win you’re looking for (we missed our chance for that on Sunday).
Of course I may be misinterpreting, or understating, but if that’s what Mario’s saying, then I wholeheartedly agree.
“We kind of slipped into a coma there for 5 or 10 minutes in the second period.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Thats pretty much the same as “for the most part we played a complete game”.
Where’s someone mentioning that its unacceptable. Not to mention that they stopped playing for the second ten minutes of the first period, too.
Which is pretty much the same thing as what Malkin said.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
You can construct it however the fuck you want.
But its pretty clear that the Penguins weren’t content with their effort, while the Flyers gloss over it in their “Hey we won the game” splendor.
From the DN article:
“We wanted to make some strides on this homestand,” captain Mike Richards said. “We got contributions from a lot of different guys.”
I don’t know what “strides” were made. Thats the same performance they’ve put forth all year: sporadic.
blah, blah, blah. it means nothing except that Richards summarized what the coaches told him in the last team meeting.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 20, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs75mEk46As
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
are you naive? The players are well coached on “media relations” and anything a player says has been drilled into him since he was about 5.
“there are a lot of positives to take out, but some things we need to work on”
“it was almost a complete game”
“we let some things slide for a few minutes before we were able to pull things together”
blah, blah, blah
It’s playerspeak and it means absolutely nothing.
I played hockey last night and my team got drilled 8-3. After the game, I told someone:
“yeah, we played hard for the first 2 periods, but kind of ran out of gas in the 3rd”
what’s that say about my team’s effort?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 20, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, Johnson and Malkin were simply stating shit that they heard from the coaches during the period breaks or something they’ve said 1000’s times over.
so i assume you’re so sheltered you’ve never heard a NHL player talking about “some positives, but things to work on” or “we stopped skating, but the game isn’t over until it’s over” EVER before now. Like Malkin and Johnson came up with something wholly original?
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 20, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hold on a second
All players and coaches are responding to questions asked by the media you don’t know what they were asked to generate such a response. If someone asked Richards and coaches about all the little negative aspects of the game they you would get honest answers.
Columbus has a pretty decent set of forwards and should be able to take over the game for a little bit here and there and have the 7th best PP in the league. I wasn’t shocked that they hemmed us some. They have no defense or goaltending and that is what we exploited, break downs and questionable goals.
no they wouldn’t have. They would have gotten the same meaningless cliche’s that every hockey coach/player has practiced since the inception of his hockey career, that has been committed to rout memory.
in fact, you could put me on the podium, without ever having watched the game, and I could give a damn good interview using my basic knowledge of “hockey jargon that every player knows that relates to the game, that says a lot but means absolutely nothing”
go ahead, try me, I was playing hockey last night, so I didn’t watch one minute of the game. Post a question.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 20, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like I’ve definitely said everything you’re saying before – about the same topic no less – but want to play along with this game anyway. Could be a lot of fun.
I’ll even make it a question where there is ample opportunity to criticize your team’s performance and express a need to improve: After jumping out to a 2-0 lead, you let Columbus back into the game. How did you let that happen and how can you prevent that in the future?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well, for a little while there we stopped moving our feet. Columbus was able to do some good work down low and cycle on us and we started running around in our own zone. We lost a bit of focus that we had earlier in the game and were slow on the rebounds. In the future, we need to make sure that we maintain our focus and stick with the gameplan that we’ve drawn up. Sometimes things don’t always go according to plan, but I was happy we were able to regain our composure and get the win.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 20, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Danny Syvret? Yes, he has an upper body injury.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 20, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve never heard guys like Richards or Carter, after a win, say that their performance wasn’t good enough.
Really, I’ve heard them give the same type of answer that you see HockeyOutsiders post right above this. The only difference seems to be that you want them to say that they didn’t deserve the win and obviously they don’t feel good about it (or some thing like that).
This is a mentality that Dave Tippett has taken with the Coyotes this year and it’s been a nice change of pace. But by no means have I heard it used by the vast majority of teams/players. And in most hockey games.
The problem I think is that we equate “60 minute effort” with completely dominating play for an entire 60 minutes. It’s unfathomable that this will happen. I have no doubt that there were a few lapses last night for the 10 minutes or so when they let Columbus back in…but I’m not sure that it all equates to the Flyers letting their effort down…it can just as easily be that Columbus turned theirs up significantly. If you are going to have 50 minutes of a game where you outwork the other team, you are going to win most of your games, and I’ll be happy with that. It’s not like for the other 10 minutes they sit in a corner sucking their thumbs…
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by Jordan Ellel on Jan 20, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
There are times when other teams are better. That’s different.
This Colombus team is not better than the Flyers team last night. For Columbus to dominate the second half of the first period, and climb back in that game in the second period, that goes beyond Columbus ratcheting up the intensity.
Its what the Flyers have done for years now. Last season, they coasted down the stretch expecting to magically turn it on in the playoffs. This season, they coast through games when they get the lead. Like when they blew a 3 goal lead to the Canes a few weeks back.
But your taking from a single quote that the Flyers don’t feel this or know it. I have to believe they do. Richards’ quote about making strides and getting contribution from a lot of different players is true – they did that. Should he just be ignoring the things that went right and only focusing on the negatives?
Also, what question is he responding to there? I mean, I don’t comb through the transcripts of every press conference given by the Flyers and if they don’t think they can improve their effort and not just stop skating for 10 minutes then maybe it’s an issue, but I can’t jump to this assumption from the single quote there…
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by Jordan Ellel on Jan 20, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s look at that Carolina game:
Matt Carle on blowing a 3 goal third period lead to the worst team in the NHL:
“That would have been a devastating loss,” said defenseman Matt Carle, who saved a first-period goal when he cleared the puck as it was about to cross the goal line. “But we can take a positive out of it.”
Has the team turned the corner?
“Maybe if we won 3-0,” Carle said with a chuckle. “I think there’s still plenty of work to do.”
I don’t take anything positive out of that, but at least he understands that there’s work to do.
By contrast, Richards is concerned mainly with the fact that they won:
“They’re points we desperately needed right now,” Richards said. “As disappointing as it was to let the game slip away and have to do it in a shoot-out . . . we found a way to win the hockey game and get the two points. Obviously, there are things we have to correct, but it’s nice to see we were able to pull something out.”
He shouldn’t be “disappointed” to “let the game slip away”. That’s a passive terminology. The fact is, they gave that game away, it didn’t “slip away” on its own.
Richards later in the article identified what I described above as the norm for the last couple of seasons:
“I think there was just a little bit of complacency – not executing some plays, turning some pucks over, and maybe even sitting back a little bit,” Richards said.
I’ll acknowledge an implied “we can’t do that” in this quote.
But they continue to do that. Its what happened just last night. And we’re going on two years now.
Richards’ quote about making strides and getting contribution from a lot of different players is true – they did that. Should he just be ignoring the things that went right and only focusing on the negatives?
They’ve gotten contributions from different players all season. For much of the season, role players were the only ones contributing. But I don’t know what you saw go right last night. The goaltending was poor and they let a crappy team play with them for most of the game. Carter scored a goal on an awful turnover that created a breakaway, and a lucky goal off the face-off, and thats the margin of victory.
I would say Columbus beat themselves last night. Until the Flyers start beating other teams, they shouldn’t be happy with their performance.
Well, you wouldn’t be a lawyer if you couldn’t parse / interpret others’ words in order to bolster your own argument.
I see what you’re getting at. I wish Richards was more candid myself, but I also agree with everyone who says that he’s essentially speaking in hockey-related platitudes which are not meant to say much at all.
However, this is pushing it. Richards said:
"As disappointing as it was to let the game slip away and have to do it in a shoot-out . . . we found a way to win the hockey game and get the two points."
You said:
He shouldn’t be "disappointed" to "let the game slip away". That’s a passive terminology. The fact is, they gave that game away, it didn’t "slip away" on its own.
He didn’t say that, though. When I initially read that story after the game back in December, here’s how I interpreted what he said:
"As disappointing as it was for us to let the game slip away and have to do it in a shoot-out . . . we found a way to win the hockey game and get the two points. Obviously, there are things we have to correct, but it’s nice to see we were able to pull something out."
I added the “for us,” but that’s what he was getting at anyway. He was taking ownership of the fact that the team let the lead slip away. He also took ownership of the fact that the team had work to do.
He didn’t say, “Well,somehow we lost a 3-0 lead with just under 11:00 to go in the game but we managed to get it done in the shootout.” If he said that, then I’d agree that he used passive terminology and skirted the issue of the team needing to work smarter. But he did not.
No one is expecting you to convert to “You’re Awesome Mike”-ology, but I wish you’d just stick to the clear facts here.
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by mikefive on Jan 20, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The emphasis in Richards’ statements, in all of them quoted on this page, is “We won the game”.
Until he begins to acknowledge that merely winning isn’t good enough, this team goes nowhere.
You can add words into those statements, but he clearly is more concerned with winning the game than the fact that they played like shit. Contrast that with Boudreau, Carle, and the other quotes on this page; they gloss over the victory and focus on the need to play better.
I would agree with you more if Richards didn’t acknowledge these things at all.
To be honest, I used to see things pretty much like you do. “If this guy were a real pro/leader he’d call out himself and his teammates for doing X, Y, and Z wrong, and not just say ‘What the hell, we won’ after a poorly-played game.”
There are times when I wish more people would say stuff like this, but it’s not like Richards ignored the issue completely.
In another thread I wondered about Timonen’s leadership because, even in his quotes, he admits that he’s “been saying the same thing for three years now” when it comes to team inconsistencies. Other readers (I’m not sure if you were one of them) said “Well, that’s just his personality. It really doesn’t have anything to do with his leadership.”
So perhaps Richie’s quotes are examples of his personality as well? Here he is after the December win against Carolina:
“As disappointing as it was to let the game slip away and have to do it in a shoot-out . . . we found a way to win the hockey game and get the two points.”
Translation: We did some bad things, but at the end of the day we got the desired results.
Here is Crosby after last night’s game:
“We did a lot of good things to have success, but we know we’ve got to work on it."
Translation: At the end of the day we got the desired results, but we did some bad things along the way.
Richards and Crosby said the same thing in reverse order. Because we are human beings, we tend to most remember the last thing someone says, and not the first. So I will say that Crosby “finished stronger” in his comments than Richie did, but all in all they said the same thing.
I compared Crosby to Richards since both are players and captains of their teams. Boudreau was more frank in his assessment of the Caps’ performance, but he’s the coach. Coaches and players speak differently.
Maybe compare what Boudreau said to some choise post-game quotes from your boy John Stevens way back in March of 2008:
“We just played with way too much panic in our game,” said Flyers coach John Stevens, whose team was outshot 55-25. “You have to have the courage to play. You have to have the courage to take people on 1-on-1. You have to have the courage to play a hockey game. To go out there and play panicky like we did tonight, throwing the puck away and not moving our feet, it was ridiculous.”
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"If this guy were a real pro/leader he’d call out himself and his teammates for doing X, Y, and Z wrong, and not just say ‘What the hell, we won’ after a poorly-played game."
I don’t want him to call anyone out. I want him, and Carter, and the rest of that nucleus, to recognize that merely winning a game doesn’t erase all the bad decisions they make.
Johnson doesn’t call anyone out, Crosby doesn’t call anyone out, and Boudreau doesn’t call anyone out in these quotes. But they all are more concerned with improving their play than the result of that single game.
Richards seems concerned only with that night’s effort, and then I guess magic fairy’s will cure all their problems before the next game…
Translation: We did some bad things, but at the end of the day we got the desired results.
Thats not accurate. You cut the first part of the sentence. What Richards said was
"They’re points we desperately needed right now," Richards said. "As disappointing as it was to let the game slip away and have to do it in a shoot-out . . . we found a way to win the hockey game and get the two points.
ie: “We got the result, we did some bad things, but we got the result.”
He places emphasis on the result, and uses that result to wave off the bad stuff. Meanwhile, Crosby states the result, but finds is necessary to qualify that result as not being good enough.
Because we are human beings, we tend to most remember the last thing someone says, and not the first.
Thats not true. It’s called “primacy” and “recency”. And the human mind tends to remember both the first and the last, but not the middle.
Dude, you’re so unbelievable, it’s disturbing.
It’s “playerspeak”, he’s spouting off the same things that everyone is saying. Can you not get the point?
He doesn’t go out there to the media after practicing for an hour on what he’s going to say. He takes off half his gear after the game and goes to face the press to say the same damn things that everyone says.
If after you played a competitive game for 60 minutes and then were asked to do an impromptu interview almost directly afterward, would you be able to give the perfect analysis of the game at hand. I’d bet not.
Cut out the tired act dude, whining and arguing about everything. Richards says what he has grown up saying, nothing more, nothing less. To read into it that he doesn’t believe the team has work to do or that he’s satisfied with the W, is stupid, ignorant and really shows your lack of understanding about how the game of hockey works.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 21, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
You’re wrong. There are interviews all over the place talking about how richards only looks at the positive and all that bullshit.
WHICH IS WHAT HE HAS BEEN TRAINED/RAISED TO DO.
What part of my point do you not get? Ok, let me put this slowly for you, as apparently, you lack reading comprehension.
1. Richards has heard 1000’s of times from his coaches “we wanted to make some strides and we did” growing up
2. PL has been saying this for the last week
3. Richards goes out to the media -5 minutes after he gets off the ice and says it.
That’s how it works. He’s not fucking Bill Clinton who gets someone to write his speeches for him and gets hours/days to prepare. He’s a hockey player, he says what he’s been trained to say. No more, no less. Sorry that he doesn’t say the shit you wish he did, but that’s not what he’s been trained. Blame his pee-wee coach.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 21, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Re: Primacy and Recency, I’ll concede, but recency bears more weight, no? And it’s not just for speech.
Most folks likely think back to last year’s big fat comeback win over Carolina (6-5 in the shootout) as a great game. Why? Because the Flyers finished strong. They sucked for the first half of the game, but what sticks in people’s minds is how they finished.
I’ve played more than my share of gigs, and I’ve had enough experiences where my bands have started songs poorly but finished strongly. And those were always the songs we got complimented on from audience members.
And, here goes the serial position effect just for clarity.
The serial position effect, a term coined by Hermann Ebbinghaus, refers to the finding that recall accuracy varies as a function of an item’s position within a study list. When asked to recall a list of items in any order (free recall), people tend to begin recall with the end of the list, recalling those items best (the recency effect). Among earlier list items, the first few items are recalled more frequently than the middle items (the primacy effect).
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I believe thats immediate recall, but I could be mistaken.
For recall beyond the first hour or two, primacy and recency I believe are equal.
As for your band, I’m chalking that up to drunkenness.
Re: Primacy and recency, I’ll have to look it up.
Re: My bands, it would have to be audience member drunkenness. I don’t drink or drug anymore, and even when I did I never played that way.
Although the drunkest audience members think EVERYTHING is awesome, or EVERYTHING sucks. I was once told by an inebriated soul, “You’re the REAL hero in here!” I still have no idea what that means.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
the fact is that it’s farcical at best that we’re even discussing this.
No hockey player, captain or otherwise is going to go “rogue” and come up with something that is an honest and truthful assessment of how his team or he played. It’s all drilled in, cliche, comments that means absolutely nothing.
It’s like when you ask someone how they are doing. 98% of people are going to say “fine”. Are they really fine? Or do they feel like shit, their job sucks, and their spouse is a douche? Do you even care to hear it if they aren’t really fine? Nope, you satisfied with the regular, boring, answer, just as every player out there after the game is going to spout the same meaningless garbage, they’ve heard all their life playing hockey.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 20, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thats just not true. Pronger has done it before this season and plenty of other teams do.
Just last night, after beating the Red Wings, Bruce Boudreau said the following:
“We also need to know that we need to play much better if we want to win the whole thing.
This is what Crosby had to say last night:
Crosby said. “Those nights are great for the power play’s confidence. We did a lot of good things to have success, but we know we’ve got to work on it.”
Again, recognition that it a win isn’t the be all, end all. There’s playing better than blowing leads to crappy teams.
you proved my point exactly. Both Boudreau and Crosby acknowledged they need to play better, so what?
If you made a list of things hockey players say after games, they’d pretty much all be the same thing.
I’m sad that Richards doesn’t use the “we’ve got a lot of things to work on” catchphrase for you. I’ll try to send him an email on facebook to suggest this.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 21, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
To the tune of "99 Bottles of Beer On the Wall":
Forty minutes of effort each night,
Forty minutes indeed!
Add one more, run up the score,
Forty-one minutes of effort each night!
At least this song can’t go past “65 minutes.”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Jan 20, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot about the skills contest at the end of the 65 minutes. But this does make my day.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Penalty shots at the end of it all,
Skills competition indeed!
Score some more while goalie shuts door,
Sorry excuse for the end of a game!
Done.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
For the record, this has been stuck in my head all day.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 20, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
To point out something important about the Haiti donations...
If everybody who agreed to put in $5 to cover Carcillo’s fine puts that same $5 into the Haiti fund, we’ll raise well over $1,500.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 20, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
some notes, FWIW
OKT-played horribly in the caps game. must have been worried about his impending brood (congrats to him by the way)
regardless, he was better last night-he shot the puck, and didn’t back down from anyone, and even drew a nice roughing penalty.
richards kind of had an off night. he was trying to force too many passes again. gagne could cycle, but that’s about it.
no sooner am i praising car bomb and he takes that stupid penalty in the 3rd. yeah, the game was out of hand, but it was pointless and the other guy didn’t drop the gloves. still, carcillo, and the rest of the 3rd and fourth liners remain solid.
emery was more in control, than the caps game. if he keeps improving with a solid outing on thursday, i would have confidence in him for sunday’s melee.
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
must have been worried about his impending brood
OKT is Norwegian. There is a lot of Black Metal in Norway. Impending Brood can be the name of his Black Metal band.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
The sad part is that I am like this most days. I am an unrepentant Free-Associator. There’s only so much here I can riff on, otherwise you’d see a lot more of it.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
i think you and i should be friends.
free association occupies most of the lame, lame days my friends and i spend together. also when i’m around for game threads (which is admittedly rare) i usually like to drop references where i can. some hit, some miss. i was definitely disappointed that “FREE HAT! FREE HAT!” didn’t catch anyone’s notice last night. I mean, Hat killed those babies in self defense.
Giroux’s assist was just wicked. What amazes me is how every game he does something that puts me in a state of pure disbelief, and I don’t know that I’ll ever get used to the moves he pulls off. It’s like I know he’s going to do something and I know it’s going to be unpredictable, and yet I’m still surprised when it happens.
Watching the late night replay, I noticed once again that the passing game with this team truly is all or nothing. I complain a lot when their passes are sloppy, and it’s getting to be something that in the first few minutes is an indicating factor for me; they’re either all playing sloppy and their passes are ugly, which means it’s going to be a bad night and they’re not playing as a team, or nearly every pass is beautiful and right on the tape so the team is cohesive. The Caps game the passing was awful from the start, last night they came out and from minute one the passes were dead on and stayed that way for a while. It’s driving me crazy.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 20, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions
agreed
They have to learn to change their approach and try to play a gritty shoot the puck crash the net game when the passing is just not working or the puck is bouncing too much.
I’m not certain I’ve seen them have a game this year where their passing approaches 80% efficiency. They’re still probably the worst team in hockey at handling the puck in the neutral zone. And that’s only barely an overstatement- none of their defensemen are good at passing out of the defensive zone, and the scehemes the forwards set up to pass the puck through the neutral zone are usually pretty sloppy. Not to mention I’ve never seen a team get caught so often standing still on the ice, desperately looking for a passing lane rather than just skating with the puck. I mean, how many times have you seen Carle or Coburn stand at our defensive blueline, waiting for a lane to open up until finally forechecker comes down on him and then try to force a pass through the opponent? I’ve lost count.
Also our inability to transition was really on display in Washington, when we had a 6-4 power play (Lavs pulled the goalie), and we still had to dump the puck in. Even though it didn’t have any effect on the game, that one moment made me really sad.
Obviously that’s not to dump on the effort they gave last night. That was a thoroughly enjoyable game, and for once, I don’t think our opponent scored a single goal off a turnover from one of our defensemen breaking out of the zone! A true triumph, in my opinion.
You have a good point about efficiency, which would take into account how well they’re handled. For some of these games, I’m even talking about just their aim being atrocious.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 20, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I put in $10 USD. Unfortunately with the economy that has crippled my budget for the next few weeks.
Average game played between one above average team and one below average team. But we still won it!
All in all I agree about the game. Excitement level was there only because we desperately needed something to hang our (free) hats on after the Washington game, plus if Carter would have had a trick that would have been sweet.
Also I could unfortunately only afford to muster ten bucks myself, but think of it on the larger scale like dragongirl up there- if all the 300+ people who said they’d give 5 to Carcillo instead give 5 or 10 to this…well, that’s not too shabby.
I donated $20. Happy to help alongside my fellow Flyers fans.
Didn’t see much of the game, but love to see us beat Columbus, given I’m an Ohioan. I now have bragging rights again over my father, a Jackets fan.
It just makes me sad that those were ever in Jeopardy.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Jan 21, 2010 4:25 AM EST up reply actions
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