Flyers win 2-0, Rangers delusional in defeat
by Travis Hughes on Jan 21, 2010 10:24 PM EST
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Delusional.
That's really the only word that can describe fans, players, staff, and the head coach of the New York Rangers tonight, as the Flyers easily dispatched them from South Philadelphia with a 2-0 shutout victory. Ray Emery was solid in earning the goose egg, and the Flyers did an excellent job in limiting the Rangers offensive opportunities.
But none of that will be the lasting story in this one. No, a tame contest lit up in the second period when a scrum around the net boiled over. New York star Marian Gaborik engaged with and antagonized Dan Carcillo. Of course, when Gaborik dropped his gloves and Carcillo wasted no time in pummeling him into the ice, those intelligent folks up the Turnpike saw things a little differently.
From the Rangers' official Twitter feed:
Carcillo jumps Gaborik, lands flurry of punches; Torts screaming at Laviolette; #Rangers furious; #NYR still down 1-0
Like I said: delusional. And it's not really a case of 'he said, she said' here either. (By the way, the person named Marian is totally the 'she' here.) No, there's video proof, which means that enterprising individuals take it upon themselves to turn said video in still image proof.
Oh, you shouldn't have unleashed that fury, Marian.
Seconds after the frozen moment in time you see above, Gaborik had a nice little meeting with the ice, courtesy of number 13 in orange, before heading off to the penalty box. Carcillo said after the game that he was "lickin' his chops" when Gaborik dropped his gloves. Say what you will about that (and I'll say that I love the honesty), but even from a strategy perspective, when you get a chance to take the opposition's best player off the ice for five minutes, you do it.
But don't bother the Rangers with that logic nonsense. Of course, when your media twists Carcillo's words to say that the Flyer was licking his chops the entire game to get at Gaborik, and when your announcers and your team's PR staff are feeding you these same delusions, those poor NYR fans never really have a chance.
After the jump, we'll have more on the game, questions with answers, a look at the playoff picture, and the comment of the night.
Back to the game now.
The Flyers had a ton of chances and probably should've put more pucks past Henrik Lundqvist, but Jeff Carter missed the net on several strong chances and Lundqvist, of course, came up big often. Regardless, the Flyers controlled the flow of the entire game and, as mentioned, kept the Rangers chances to a minimum.
James van Riemsdyk's breakaway goal in the first period was the result of a risky-but-gorgeous stretch pass from Chris Pronger. JVR flubbed the initial deke a little bit, but Lundqvist gave up a rebound and the rookie was sure not to miss his second chance at putting the puck in the net.
Ray Emery had his first real solid game since his return from injury. He wasn't challenged much, but when an opponent comes into a game with 14 goals in two games and you wind up shutting them out, you can be sure your goalie did a few things well.
There were more fights, too. Sean Avery was demolished by Scott Hartnell without even getting a punch in. Avery apparently hadn't had enough, because about seven minutes later he went after Carcillo. The two fought to a draw, but Carcillo said after the game that he couldn't throw punches at Avery because he cut his knuckles on Gaborik's helmet earlier in the game. Finally, three seconds into the third period, Arron Asham dropped 'em with Aaron Voros, and Asham handled himself despite Voros having a clear size advantage.
It was a solid overall game for the Flyers, who went 2-0-2 in the fights, 2-0 on the scoreboard, and picked up two points in the standings. What else can you really ask for?
Playoff Picture
With the win, the Flyers now have 53 points. They move within two points of the Rangers, who still sit in 6th place with 55 points. Boston lost in regulation to Columbus (thanks R.J.!) to drop to 7th place with 54 points and the Islanders won in the shootout to gain two points and move into 8th. Ottawa beat St. Louis to give themselves a three-point gap of breathing room up in 5th place.
Thanks to the win by the Isles, though, the Flyers are still on the outside looking in.
- 5th: Ottawa - 52 GP, 58 pts
- 6th: NY Rangers - 51 GP, 55 pts
- 7th: Boston - 49 GP, 54 pts
- 8th: NY Islanders - 51 GP, 54 pts
- 9th: Flyers - 49 GP, 53 pts
- 10th: Atlanta - 50 GP, 51 pts
Questions With Answers
- Blair Betts, in his last game against his old team, the Rangers, jumped out and scored in the first minute. Does Betts have another solid game against his former team tonight? He didn't light the world on fire or anything. Nothing extra-ordinary out of him tonight.
- Can the Flyers jump out to a critical early lead yet again? Yes, they scored first for the 13th time in their last 14 games. It's clearly a major reason for the recent success.
- Does the Flyers defense look over-matched against the suddenly potent Ranger offense? They handled the Rangers offense easily.
- How long does it take Sean Avery to do something dumb? He got out of bed this morning. That was dumb.
- Ray Emery has slowly made progress in his last two games. Does that continue tonight? Yes, Emery had a very strong game tonight. 24 saves, a shutout. Good signs.
Comment of the Night
that's like
my ex telling me she only slept with 2 other guys.
the other 20 didn’t count
>> psudrozz, responding to NYR fans saying the Carcillo/Gaborik fight didn't count
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From the Rangers official recap…
Gaborik, who entered the game with only one fighting major in his entire NHL career, pushed and shoved with Carcillo behind the cage until the gloves came off both players. Carcillo then began raining punches on the Rangers’ top offensive player as Gaborik tried unsuccessfully to ward Carcillo off.
Watch the video. Watch Gaborik attempt to throw punches back. Laugh at the above quote. Repeat, if desired.
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It’s great to hear them complain about Carcillo attacking Gaborik while watching Gaborik clearly drop the gloves first. All I can say is, Reality is nice this time of year guys. Come join the rest of us in it.
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Oh boy, Travis, you looking to get us in some trouble. Talk about antagonizing. As if whooping the Rags’ ass tonight on the scoreboard and with the fists wasn’t enough…
No, you are right. The Rangers’ MSG play-by-play announcers kept on going on when Gaborik and Carcillo got wrapped up saying “What is that all about?”, “For Carcillo to go after Gaborik …”, “Carcillo just drops his gloves, I mean come on!”
This is the what the Flyers’ Official Twitter had to say:
Rangers players and Tortorella complaining about Carcillo fighting Gaborik. Perhaps they need a replay of Gaborik dropping the gloves first?
All in all, it was a wonderful win. But, I am already looking forward to Sunday’s game against the Penguins. That is the crown jewel right now. If we can dispatch the Canes and then put another 7 goals up on the Pens, I will be a very happy camper.
And just a small side note, I really hate those 12:30pm Sunday games. Getting back home for Eagles games at 1pm is hard enough. 12:30pm on a Sunday, really? I really can’t imagine that is a prime time slot for a hockey game. Idk, though…
I think Rangers fans and their own delusions got themselves in trouble on this one.
I don’t see it as antagonizing, I see it as honesty. It’s calling a delusion a delusion.
Fire Andy Reid - From horrible clock management to wasted timeouts to using the pass to set up the pass, he is one of the worst gameday coaches in the league.
And this is from TSN’s James Duthie’s Twitter:
Torts was not happy after Carcillo fought Gaborik. “No honour” he kept saying.
WTF! Delusional is right!
Because the media told him that “Carcillo was licking his chops to get at Gaborik.”
That statement is true, but when taken out of context — the context being that Carcillo was ‘licking his chops’ when Gaborik dropped his gloves — it’s extremely disingenuous and just flat-out journalistically irresponsible.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Good to know that they irresponsible journalists don’t only reside in Philadelphia…you know, for Richards’ sake and all. LOL.
by doubleh on Jan 21, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dose Torts think Carcillo should have done the honorable thing and just squirt water at Gaborik?
by Prometheus74 on Jan 21, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
He probably should’ve just let Gaborik punch him in the face, right?
I don’t care who it is. If a grown man is trying to hit me, I’m going to throw back. I don’t care if it’s Richard Simmons.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
What’s amusing to me is we’re talking about New Yorkers here. If they were talking about themselves and their own lives, they would agree 100% with your statement of “I don’t care who it is. If a grown man is trying to hit me, I’m going to throw back.” The same could probably be said of any city within 4 hours of here, but still.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I love Flyers Goal Scored By...
From their Twitter:
Someone tell Torterella there’s no honor in an NHL coach shitting his diaper on the bench. #Flyers #RangersHa!
haha, that’s awesome.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 21, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
2 points for them, that was classic.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I know… do they tape delay the games in the Pacific time zone, or do they seriously show the game at 9:30 am?
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t care about what they think. When the media lies and when the team lies and when everybody on one side of a story just flat out lies, I get pissed off.
In other news, I’m going to the Pens game on Sunday and I’m kinda mad I have to set an alarm.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 21, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Still, you are a lucky, lucky man. I am really hoping the Flyers’ put on a show and dismantle the Penguins limb by limb all game.
Yeah, my girlfriend got the tickets for Christmas so I don’t even have to pay. Awesome all around.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
You forgot another reason it’s awesome: you get to watch without the annoying NBC announcers.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 22, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
However, for those of us otherwise stuck watching the FSN feed, I never thought I’d say this but, watching the game on NBC will be a welcomed alternative.
I just hope Pierre McGuire is there so he can continue lovin’ on Mike Richards! haha
At least all of the Rangers fans aren’t delusional. There’s at least one out there with eyes:
At 5:43 into the second period, Daniel Carcillo pounded on Marion Gaborik. I know all about this and what Carcillo did was not wrong. If you watch the reviews , it was quite obvious that it was Gaborik trying to discard his gloves well before Carcillo did. Basically Gaborik had no idea what he was doing because that was just a stupid move on his part. Of Course Carcillo is going to drop the gloves and start swinging if he sees that a player is looking to do the same to him, and that is exactly what happen. Hey this is hockey, it is a tough sport and a fighting sport regardless who you are. Gaborik didn’t stand a chance but at the same time , his teammates should have jumped in before that beating could have ever taken place. No i didn’t like the idea of Gabby getting a beating, He is not a fighter. but it was Gabby who really did drop the gloves first.
Later in the period it was Avery who got tossed around quickly by Scott Hartnell and towards the end of the period Avery attempted to take care of the Gaborik beating, but to no prevail. It wasn’t much of a fight.
(The above was written by the Rangers correspondent for Bleacher Report. I’ve been poking around on Google to see how many people bought into the delusions spewed by the team and announcers)
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions
Bleacher Report as the voice of reason? This really is a weird night.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 21, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know. I wouldn’t have gone there on my own, but the google result was convincing.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was just told on blueshirt banter that Carcillo dropped his gloves first…. Just, Just… wow.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions
Good try for what you said in defense of Carcillo on the Rag’s site. They were far nastier to you than you were to them, but props for journeying into the fire for the rest of us.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest I kind of applaud Gabby, he tokk a beating but what he did took some cojones. Unlike a certain other superstar in the division. Looking at you Crosby.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 21, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
At least Crosby has fought. Unlike a certain Russian MVP I might name.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Jan 22, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
crosby jumps people in the faceoff circle and is sometimes the second man in. that’s not fighting.
has he ever just squared off 1-on-1? he might have. memory is failing me this morning.
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He has a few times, to his credit.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 22, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I like Panotch’s take, too:
Carcillo destroyed Gaborik, leading to Rangers’ coach John Tortorella screaming at the Flyers bench, calling them something we can’t print, even on this website.
"I was frustrated because there’s simply no honor," Torts said. "I sit behind the bench with a suit and tie on. I’m not trying to run anybody down, I just think there’s a lack of honor."
Hum?
So much honor not a single Ranger went to Gaborik’s aid.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions
I forgot to emphasize it, I particularly liked the “something we can’t print, even on this website” part.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
On the Fly gives a good rundown of Tortorella’s postgame comments:
"Well, there’s no honor in that," said the Rangers’ head coach of Carcillo after the game. "I don’t play the game, I don’t wear the uniform. I don’t want to say too much about it, but there’s simply no honor in that."
. . . and Lavy’s response
"We were out numbered, Danny came in and picked somebody off the pile and Gaborik dropped his gloves first," said Laviolette, stating the obvious. "So, Danny can either get punched or he can drop his gloves and fight. I think the ref saw it that way as well, because they [each] got five minutes for fighting.
"I don’t think [Carcillo] makes a habit of going after the other team’s top players and skilled players. He does a lot of dirty work that other people don’t want to do and usually it’s with guys like a [Sean] Avery or a [Aaron] Voros; guys that are pretty tough on the other side as well. I didn’t see it happen the [Tortorella] did."
I didn’t write anything, but I went over to blueshirt to read their take on the fight, and man, they have some real tasteless fans over there.
Reading that stuff makes me proud of the group we have here at this site.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 21, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
This was my favorite game of the year about it, the 7-4 game agaisnt the Pens was cool but seriously I hate the entire dump known as NY. And Gaborik starting a fight with Carbomb just made this game 100x better.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 21, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions
Anyone see Tortorella's exchange with Larry Brooks?
Are him and Richards having a contest to see who can start more shit with the media?
Some Players Don't Want to Go
No, Tortorella was channeling Brett Myers. Funny Myers and hockey is a better fit than Myers and baseball. Anyway he’s some vintage Myers
The video of that is in today’s fly by. Quite entertaining. He tells Brooks that he probably got beat up as a kid.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 22, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Also...
can the quote of the game come from outside this site, because “no honor” may be the funniest thing I heard all night
Another screenshot
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bKLUFhP5uLA/S1kl5th6GdI/AAAAAAAAAaw/mcFr2-9dIVs/s1600-h/carbomb2.png
You can clearly see only one glove on the ground, and if you look closely, you can make out Gaborik’s fist.
Fire Andy Reid - From horrible clock management to wasted timeouts to using the pass to set up the pass, he is one of the worst gameday coaches in the league.
To be honest, I can understand Rangers’ fans frustrations. You wouldn’t want Jeff Carter getting into a fight with Sean Avery, but in this instance, it is completely ignorant to say Carcillo went after him. Props to Gabs for not taking Carcillo’s crap, but Carcillo did exactly what he should have. As Travis said, whenever you get the chance to take the other team’s best player off the ice for 5 minutes, you take it. When you get to pummel his face, it’s even better.
What the Rangers and their fans should be pissed about is that no one pulled a Matt Bradley.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 22, 2010 12:08 AM EST reply actions
I was looking forward to seeing the second angle of the fight that was on the MSG feed but unfortunately neither Yahoo or NHL has it. It clearly shows what happened from the start. Carcillo is never going to not fight there and thats that. It could have been anyone it just so happened it was Gaborik.
PS, My comparison of Gagne vs Voros is better.
And the people who said Avery won vs Carcillo, thats cos Carcillo had Gaboriks face on his fist and he knew Avery should never be anywhere near that type of skill
The link to the Youtube video of the MSG feed of the fight is in the game thread comments. Look near the bottom-ish.
The Aver/Carcillo fight really didn’t have a victor, so they’re grasping at straws anyway.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 22, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I’m sorry I missed this one.
Was this one of those games which was not as close as the final score indicated?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Living up near NY, I get the MSG feed. So my favorite moment of the night was listening to the announcers as Hartnell just destroyed Avery. They kept saying “Well Hartnell is a much bigger player.”
I'm rewatching the game now on the late MSG re-broadcast
The NY announcers were taken aback with the Carcillo Gaborik fight. At one point they’re yelling “Is Carcillo serious! Come on! Gaborik doesn’t fight anyone! You’re gonna go fight Gaborik? Please! How can he go after Gaborik like that!?”
I tried to see what the non-NY (and non-Philly) outlets were reporting, to see what the people removed from the passionate fanbases had to say.
The NHL.com article was pretty clear:
Replays showed Gaborik to be the aggressor in the scuffle
The rest of the major sites are passing around the same exact AP article:
Carcillo floored Gaborik with a hard uppercut early in the second period after the two-time all-star surprisingly dropped his gloves first.
The rest, like SBNation’s main site, are passing around a Sports Network article that manages to recap the game without mentioning any of the fights, so it doesn’t take a side because it acts like they didn’t happen.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 22, 2010 12:30 AM EST reply actions
Gaborik vs. Carcillo reminds me of an old Irish proverb
If the bear is poking you, run the **** away
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 22, 2010 1:17 AM EST reply actions
Cry Baby
Torts has always been a whiny little bitch and always will be. I’m glad Carbomb decked Gaborik. It was also nice to see Avery get his head knocked off by Hartnell.
Avery
Has anyone ever done any genetic testing to see if Avery and Torts are father and son? Because the sure seem to act pretty much the same. Spitting, yelling, crying.
Torts reminds me of one of those crazy soccer Moms that start a fight on the sidelines because little Jimmy isn’t getting enough playing time. Waaaaaaaaa……….
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The orange balck have their swagger back! We need 10 points over this six game homestand. 4 down 6 to go. I am driving 3.5 hours from upstate NY to see the Flyers get their third in a row on Saturday. Lets go flyers…………..
by upstateNYflyersFan on Jan 22, 2010 8:10 AM EST reply actions
From Blueshirt Banter’s Game Recap:
About six minutes into the second stanza was when things began to get out of control. A minor scrum in front of Emery led to Daniel Carcillo dropping the gloves and leaving star Marian Gaborik with no choice but to defend himself. Obviously Gaborik went down after a few punches, but there are lines in this sport that you do not cross, and Carcillo crossed one of those lines by brainlessly attacking Gaborik as he did. You simply do not go after the star on the other team when the guy only has one previous fight in his career. This was nothing short of a cowardly move by Carcillo, but it doesn’t surprise me looking at his track record and the reputation of the team he plays on.
Just thought everyone would like a solid laugh this morning . . .
Let the fans think what they want, let the media write what it wants. We know the truth the reality of it and thats all that matters.
In about two months the boys in Orange and Black will take a nice trip up the turnpike and if the Rangers want I am sure the Flyers will be happy to go all Fight Club on them again.
Rangers fans should be more worried that no one else on the team went to their stars aid rather opting to let him take a beating. Like I said earlier, just because you have a womans name doesn’t mean you have to fight like one, and if you are going to, at least be smart enough to cover your face.
he did cover his face
with his face shield, and it was effective in cutting up Carcillo’s hand.
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
it’s amazing that in that Capitals fight a few weeks back when Ovie knee-to-kneed a guy and was about to get drilled in a fight, another teammate stepped in and fought the guy.
Last night when Gaborik was about to drop his gloves, NYR no. 5 was almost patting him on the back, but wouldnt step in.
I think Torts was mad saying that his players have no honor since no one helped out.
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
That’s what Torts should’ve said, but he just didn’t.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 22, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Well that would be like the pot calling the kettle black. There is no honor in standing behind the bench and screaming at the opposing coach and team because he is mad that his best play stupidly dropped his gloves and took a beating for it. Gaborik made the decision to throw down and he was on the wrong end of it. It happens. Be mad at your star for dropping his gloves when he clearly does not fight. Be made at the other 4 guys on the ice for not jumping in to defend him ala Matt Bradley. There are 100 things Torts could be mad for in last nights game, but Gaborik getting a beating isn’t one of them.
Torts needs to look in the mirror because last night, he was the very definition of everything he claimed the Flyers and Dan Carcillo were.
Furthermore, being as that Lavvi is not a big fan of fighting, I wonder how he felt about last night’s game.
Why is it that several of us here are commending Gaborik for his chutzpah, while no one there has (other than one of us)?They’re making Gaborik out to be a weaker person both physically AND emotionally by saying he got jumped and was defenseless, and he doesn’t deserve that. He made a brave decision in the moment, and while it may not have been wise, he still did something.
Has anyone seen a report or article where Gaborik himself was interviewed or quoted as saying anything to the effect of “I got jumped”? I haven’t seen anything, and I looked around for it.
I read somewhere (might’ve been on Twitter) that Gaborik told the media he was ‘fine’ after the fight. I guess that means he spoke with the media, but I’m with you, I can’t find any clips or quotes from him.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 22, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Found them! Hofmann’s column today…
“I think there was kind of a scrum in front, and we got kind of caught up, and then, you know, dropped the gloves – so that’s what happens, I guess,” he said. "Obviously, he got a few shots on me but, you know, that’s hockey.
“He’s one of those players that runs around and really doesn’t care where the puck is . . . That’s what his job is, I guess.
“Obviously, he got me a little bit off my game. But I think it was one of those games where we didn’t have much offense.”
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 22, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
“really doesn’t care where the puck is…”
Does he know that you can’t just go around hitting people for the sake of hitting people? They call that interference among other things.
He basically said Carcillo is a guy who just gets on the ice to take a run at people.
Richards
We played a good game, but there are certainly area’s we need to improve on" said Richards after the game. “I know myself personally, despite being the first star of the game don’t always lead effectively and maybe I should have beat the crap out of Avery at the end, but hey, we’re happy with the win.”
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 22, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions
That’s 100 percent awesome on every level, really.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 22, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, but I made it up for Mario’s sake, haha.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 22, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot the part where he admitted to crying like a baby when Stevens was fired and offering his captaincy to Pronger.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
damn it. I’ll do better next time. I mean, certainly last night was clearly an indication of how “shitty a captain” he is.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 22, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Other than the fights
…any other analysis of the game. l know Lundqvist is a very good goalie but was it all his skill last night or did we blow alot of shots. At the very least it should have been 3-0. Carter should have made that shot. I wouldn’t be so concerned but for the ridiculous amount of scoring being done on a consistent basis by upper tier teams this year…can we match that consistency? Or if not do we have enough defensive depth to stop a team like the Blackhawks or for that matter the Caps? I hear alot of peole say we should start crashing the net more, but yet it seems like when we do that our penalty minutes increase. The league seems to want less scrappy, more pretty hockey. Or perhaps that wasn’t their intent but that’s what they are getting.
It is certainly a concern, but in my experience, every year you see a few high-flying teams that can run up the score in the regular season, but when defenses tighten up in the postseason, it’s smart hockey and goaltending that wins the day. Which brings me to my thought, that Emery is getting a lot of praise for his game last night, but he wasn’t exactly spectacular. Much like Toskala against us last week, he was as good as he had to be, but the defense was hounding the Rangers in the neutral zone, and forcing them wide all night. It was very refreshing. But as far as Emery is concerned, I’m going to go ahead and continue to withhold criticism or praise until I really feel like I see him put up a solid effort. Also his rebound control was less than stellar, which was a little concerning since most of the shots were coming from 35 feet.
Most importantly, though- two, that’s right TWO, games in a row in which the opposition didn’t score a single goal directly off of a defensive turnover. New world record! =D
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Definitely no brain farts in our own zone…I hear what you are saying about the Cup = Battle of the Goalies. I was wondering however if this year we might see that change because the game seems like its 180 degrees from the trapping days…My impression is that teams are opting for less balance and stacking up their offense. I suppose it’s easier to find and train wingers and centers than defensemen so if the game is to open up it’s easier to stack your team’ offense. But if Emery can perform to the level he did for Ottawa in ’07 then I might start feeling Cuppish. He looks very tentative right now.
That was the first time since October they’ve played a full 60 minutes against a respectable opponent. Emery looked better again, but still not very good. It’ll be very interesting to see, with him starting against carolina, who starts Sunday.
He got a shutout, but was not good? What do you want him to do, shut them out and score an empty netter at the end?
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 22, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well, to be fair, I don’t really Emery was tested very much. The SO seemed to me more of a result of how the D played in front of him.
I agree
… but at the same time when you get a shutout you definitely played well as a goalie. He faced a few decent chances, and made the saves he needed too. This is the way we drew this team up earlier in the year. Improved defense allows Ray Emery to make the saves he needs too for us to win without too much pressure.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 22, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
True
But doesn’t Laviolette system require a Hoover for a goalie? In particular when the team is in the down phase of a competition/training cycle and your skaters are fatigued. Also the defensemen in Laviolette system are pretty active which might mean more fatigue than they are accustomed to. Don’t really know….I’ll defer to you guys as you have a better understanding of game.
(whoops, accidentally posted)
Last night, Henrik stopped a Gagne breakaway and a JVR breakaway (defenseman stopped trying which is why JVR got the rebound, not Henrik’s). In Washington, Emery looked awful facing Ovechkin and Semin on their breakaway attempts.
If you’re going to play a system that regularly allows big odd-man rushes and breakaways, you’ve gotta have someone more like Lundqvist than Emery.
So Where Does that Leave Us
I guess that’s a problem as think goalies of that caliber are harder to find than weapons grade plutonium. Emery is still an unkown. His antics derailed his career right before anyone could see if he could live up to that ‘07 performance He could very well be that caliber but I don’t know how to rate the raw skills of goalie to possibly predict this. If we can’t improve there would a veteran defensemen be in order or should we stack the offense with more finese minded sniper types? This assumes we have the cap space to do it.
The should trade Carter to FL for Vokoun
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 22, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
1) Isn’t Florida rebuilding? I’m not sure they’d want Carter, they probable wants someone more like Giroux.
2) I’d trade Carter for Florida’s #1 and Vokoun.
3) Vokoun makes $700k more than Carter. They’d waive Emery and Boucher, freeing up $2.5m, which leaves about $1.8m to replace Carter amongst the forwards. If you can go get Eric Belanger from Minnesota for a 3rd round pick, I’d do it.
4) I don’t think Florida can trade Vokoun since they just let Craig Anderson leave. After they already fucked up trading Luongo this decade. They’ve got to stop before they get the hat trick….
Lacked A Little Stituational Awareness
When he came out from the goal he looked a bit tenative, didn’t handle the puck with confidence and seemed unaware of the stituation around him.
There are two possible reasons that isn’t his fault at all, though its absolutely true:
1) He was hurt pre-Laviolette. If they changed anything about the breakout, its new to him still so he may not be aware of where his Dmen are.
2) Bartulis and OKT have shown attrocious chemistry with each other on the breakout. So if they’re the two dmen, Emery should be confused about what to do. Being at the game on Sunday I could watch them better than on tv; I had no idea what they were doing when they went back for the puck, and I don’t think they knew any better than I did.
I think you have to give Emery a few games before judging whether or not he can play and lead us deep into the playoffs in this system. Like you said, Emery is rusty coming off an injury. Not only that but he has to adjust to the team in front of him playing an entirely different system. I really could have cared less whether or not you count the goal, it was a 6-5 that he was getting barraged with and quite frankly at that point the game was already over in every sense but the clock.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 22, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
First off, in judging his performance, he gave up a goal. It may have been .3 seconds after the game ended that the puck went in, but the puck was behind him before the game ended and he was trying on that play.
Second, he still left many juicy rebounds, but unlike other nights, the Flyers skaters got to them first every time.
yes, emery was definitely shaky. I think it was mid-way through the first that the Rangers broke in down the left side and the player (don’t recall who it was) unleased a sneaky wrister that almost beat him. It wouldn’t have even been close, but Emery wasn’t in a good position.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 22, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
This was exactly what I was getting at in my earlier comment. He made all the routine saves he needed to, but even in doing that he let go too many rebounds for my taste, and he was never really tested. I can’t remember a single solid chance the defense allowed all game. It really was like the exact opposite of the game we had with the Leafs last week, except we don’t have Phil Kessel so we could only manage 2 goals.
So I’m not really sold either way on Emery’s current status, although I am pretty sure that Boosh should get a start somewhere in the near future. Not just for Emery’s own good, but for Boosh’s. I mean, how many games has he appeared in in the last month?
"He told me, 'Keep your head up.' I didn't realize he meant the whole season."
I only disagree with the assertion that they played a “full 60 minutes.” I would say they played a full 50 minutes, and then started to play not to lose, rather than to win, and as a result they looked a little sloppy in the last 10. It’s the classic Flyers-must-sit-on-lead style of hockey.
"He told me, 'Keep your head up.' I didn't realize he meant the whole season."
And I’m the negative one around here?
There was a time around the 10:00 mark of the third where the Rangers had a few good attacks in a row and I wondered, but I thought the Flyers played their game throughout. Settling back a bit more defensively is what they need to work at.
Hey I loved the game, but like I was saying after the Columbus games, good teams learn even from wins. Even from solid wins.
How many times did sitting on a lead burn us in the last three seasons? It just looked like they were falling back into that groove in the mid-3rd, and with only a two goal lead, there’s just no place for that. A team like, say, Washington for instance can quickly punish you for pulling up the reins. The best way to keep the puck out of our zone is to keep it in theirs.
"He told me, 'Keep your head up.' I didn't realize he meant the whole season."
I agree with you 100%. I just get criticized for it everytime I say I’m not happy merely with winning.
From bad wins you learn what you did wrong. It becomes a known unknown: You know you have to do something different, but not what you actually have to do.
From solid wins you learn known knowns: This is what we have to continue to do.
I disagree, however, about sitting on leads. Maybe it can’t be done anymore, but there’s nothing I enjoy in hockey more than those Hitchcock teams that could have a lead in the third and shut the game down. That iconic Primeau shift against Tampa when he killed the last 90+ seconds by denying the Lightning at center ice to close out the game… thats the most impressive hockey play I’ve ever seen.
Washington doesn’t sit on leads because they have a bad defense and worse goaltending.
Bad Wins Brings Grins but Luck Says You Might Still Suck
bad wins usual invovle higher degrees of luck. The more random things are the the harder it is to quantify your results so that you have an accurate measure of your skill.
Jim Rome
Jim Rome just did as his final burn the Carcillo/Gaborik fight. And his conclusion is the same as ours.
My mouth hit the floor. It was a good rant.
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