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Power play disappears as Flyers fall to Pens

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One-for-nine on the power play.

You can complain about terrible officiating all you'd like, and Peter Laviolette certainly did that after today's 2-1 Flyers loss to Pittsburgh. You can have a valid point in believing that Mike Richards' second period goal shouldn't have been disallowed. You can have a valid point in saying the momentum that the Penguins picked up following the no-goal call was a killer blow to the Flyers during that second period.

But when you go one-for-nine on the power play, you're not going to win hockey games. And you don't deserve to win hockey games. That's just the bottom line.

It was a frustrating loss today, especially considering the Flyers did play quite well. They looked extremely solid in the first and third periods, and even in the second until the aforementioned Richards no-goal, which would've been the 100th of his career. In many ways, the Flyers deserved a win today.

But in the midst of some positives, there were clearly negatives. Obviously, the power play woes ultimately did them in. They couldn't get solid second chances on goaltender Brent Johnson and they tried to get too fancy with the puck too often. Richards and Claude Giroux, in particular, had several opportunites to put the puck in the net and instead decided to pass the puck, results unsuccessful.

Because of this, they made Johnson look like an all-star, and while he certainly played well, the Flyers just didn't challenge him nearly enough. We're talking about a guy and a team who allowed 18 goals in their last three games before today, and the Flyers just didn't get the job done in favorable circumstances.

Luckily, however, Boston was crushed by Carolina 5-1 tonight, so the Flyers still stand in 6th place in the Eastern Conference. It'll be a minor miracle however if they're still there come Thursday, when they next take the ice against Atlanta.

After the jump, questions with answers and the comment of the day.

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Questions With Answers

  1. Will Fleury be shaky in goal today, his first game in over a week? Can the Flyers pepper him with shots and make him work early? Much to the surprise of most in attendance, Johnson got the start over Fleury, who the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported was 'likely' to get the start. The Flyers got chances on Johnson but couldn't get many second-chance opportunities. The goalie had it pretty easy.
  2. Mike Richards was invisible yesterday. Can he not be so invisible today, and maybe even pick up his 100th NHL goal? He scored a beautiful goal the one time he actually shot the puck instead of making a dumb extra pass, but it was disallowed. (he actually had two shots, not counting the goal which, according to statistics, never happened)
  3. How much ice time will Eric Godard see today? 2:44. Just about as useless as Cote.
  4. Can Chris Pronger keep his four game point streak in tact? No.
  5. Funniest sign in the building today? Honestly not too sure. Most weren't that clever, so it'll probably go to one of sign man's classics, like 'YOU'LL CHOKE' or 'NEXT GOALIE'.

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So, basically...

Fuck you whale Gange, and fuck you dolphin Richards.

I mean really, aside from Richards’ tease goal (not debating whether it should have counted or not), the man did almost nothing once again. Someone needs to pour some Red Bull into his Corn Flakes or something.

As for Gange, what is he even doing going after Malkin in the first place? It doesnt even matter that it cost us 2 goals, thats not his role, and he should not be taking it apon himself to go try to get under the other team’s star’s skin.

by philiafan14364 on Jan 24, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Actually, it was a chicken and a cow.

Some think too much, then come too soon
I just curse the sun, so I can howl at the moon

by jello44 on Jan 25, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Now they’re just like us!

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 25, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t hated the Pens this much since the early ’90s.

At least then we were in rebuilding mode, and we had every reason in the world to lose to them.

Now? Not so much. If we’re supposed to be challenging for the Cup, we have to be able to get it done against teams like them.

But to their credit, they did what they had to do to win. That’s what good teams do.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jan 25, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

But they had no business losing this game today; that’s the worst part. I’m starting to wonder if the Pens are in their heads a bit—or is it just a matchup nightmare?

Thank God I’m not a Vikings’ fan, because that was a really bad loss for them tonight. 5 turnovers and they still came thisclose to winning the game? Woo, boy; talk about a choke job.

by doubleh on Jan 25, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I was seriously rooting for them to win it all, just so Farve could ride off into the sunset and we could be done with him. Now, well probably go through this whole thing again, take 3.

by philiafan14364 on Jan 25, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s HOW they lost. If Favre’s last play on the field was not throwing an interception and ruining the chance for a game-winning field goal, then I think he wouldn’t come back. But I expect to see him back for one more year.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jan 25, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

He had all the time in the world to throw that ball. But that was just Brett being Brett and doing his “gunslinger” thing. Ugh. I wish he would just retire.

by doubleh on Jan 25, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s the latter. If it were the former then we wouldn’t have beat them a few weeks ago, after they kept closing the gap.

Right now, the Pens are to us what the Astros were to the Phillies in the mid-2000s, and what the Patriots were to the Colts in the early-mid 2000s.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jan 25, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Or the Astros just this past season. We lost 4 of 6 (or 6 of 8, can’t remember)—but whatever it was, it was too many.

by doubleh on Jan 25, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

NO STROS

I hate the #$%$^*(%)#$*#^)#%%(#^) astros

by j reed on Jan 25, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, but the difference between now and then is that now the Astros aren’t beating us out of a playoff spot and preventing us from going to the World Series.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jan 25, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

so what are our real trading options?

by j reed on Jan 25, 2010 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

I heard briere, carle, and Boucher for phanuef and jokinen. Briere is willing to waive his no trade because of his issues at home. But sutter is just trying to use the flyers so he doesn’t get fleeced by atlanta for kovi.

by burtonboypa on Jan 25, 2010 6:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That would be sweet!!!!

by rvd420pete on Jan 25, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be horrible. You guys ever really watch Olli Jokinen? Get ready for the bigger, locker-room-cancer version of Danny Briere.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jan 25, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, after watching him destroy the Coyotes youth last year, the last thing I want to see is the Flyers get Olli Jokinen…I still want Keith Ballard back in the desert even if we did turn Olli into Matthew Lombardi who has been a pretty nice pickup…

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by Jordan Ellel on Jan 25, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is Danny Briere a locker-room cancer?

by flyrsfrk05 on Jan 26, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s what mikefive was saying. I think he’s saying Olli Jokinen would be like Danny, except he would be bigger and a locker-room cancer, which Briere is not.

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by doubleh on Jan 26, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t realize that Jokinen was that bad. Yeesh, we enough trouble. Keep him away.

by flyrsfrk05 on Jan 26, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I would throw away all my Flyers gear and remaining tickets for this season and buy a ton of Pitt jerseys if that trade went through. There is no way in hell that Homer would let Calg get away with the murder of the Flyers.

"NO HONOR"

by JpH89 on Jan 25, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, that would be an even trade if we go Calgs first round pick for the next 25 years.

"NO HONOR"

by JpH89 on Jan 25, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that I think this trade has a chance of happening, but I don’t see it as all that bad a deal. It’s more interesting than anything else. Not that I would relish the idea of having Jokinen on our team (although another player not afraid to shoot wouldn’t be so bad) or that of losing Briere- but to have Phaneuf and Pronger and Timmonen on our team at the same time? Holy crap.

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by eeeeee on Jan 25, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

We really need an elite winger. We have too many centers playing wing on the top lines. Gagne is not elite anymore (if he really ever was), Hartnell is good but not elite and JVR isn’t ready to be top four winger yet. Not sure who this might be but we need to lose a center for a winger on the top lines.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe that is why they tried powe on the top line. If briere is gone powe would probably go to the Richards line. Giroux would take dannys spot and jokinen would center the top line. Don’t get me wrong I would love the trade on paper but it is a lateral move. It does nothing to help the 5-6 defenseman spot and as mentioned above it does not change the fact we have too many centers trying to play wing. But if it does happen i will pick up briere and drive him to Calgary myself.

by burtonboypa on Jan 25, 2010 8:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Typo. Jokinen would center the third line.

by burtonboypa on Jan 25, 2010 8:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

To piggy back on what JpH89 said if Powe is on the top two lines as a winger I will drive my car off the Walt Whitman. Giroux needs to play center, PERIOD! Carter needs to play center and Richards should be our third center. Briere should be approached to move on but if he won’t Carter needs to go and we can not get another center. Carter should go for a top winger and 5th d-man. I will back off the goaltender thing and that should make chrislanci happy for a little while. Only kidding!

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It makes sense from a cap perspective. Briere and phanuef have almost identical contracts but phanuef is much younger with way more upside. Jokinen is unrestricted. So his money would come off at the end of the year so they would have some flexibilty in the off season and it is definately not a move that says you are giving up this year.

by burtonboypa on Jan 25, 2010 8:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Phaneuf is an awful hockey player, ask flames fans, he is to them whet Coburn is to us. They would gladly trade him for Danny.

"NO HONOR"

by JpH89 on Jan 25, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that, but at 24 he might be able to be moved at some point. The longer briere stays here the harder it is going to be get those pieces we have all been clamoring for. It is not a great trade, but it makes sense for both sides. Plus it would make that next rangers game even better.

by burtonboypa on Jan 25, 2010 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This team lives and dies by scoring though, so trading away a top 3 scorer would be ludicrous. Plus, hes a great leader and he really helps with the immaturity of the younger players.

"NO HONOR"

by JpH89 on Jan 25, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want to start rumors like the hartnell Carter thing. That is why I said family issues. From what I heard he really wants or needs to get away from here. But just think of all the fun the bloggers will have the first time he has a bad game. They will get to make up stories about Carter and cuthbert. It will be heaven for them.

by burtonboypa on Jan 25, 2010 9:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Didn’t realize that Cooke apparently bit Asham yesterday. What a chump and to not man up against Asham on the face off really makes the guy a chump. Isn’t it amazing how when Hartnell apparently bit Letang, he and Bylsma stood by the bench trying to get a ref over to look at his finger like a couple of whiny school girls, but Asham went about his business and tried to settle the matter man to man but Cooke wouldn’t accept the challenge. This is why the Flyers are a more honorable team. Don’t let anyone tell you any different.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

This was Asham’s quote after the game talking about Matt Cooke and the biting incident:

There was a scrum, I grabbed him. There were two guys on Harts and my glove got tangled in his mouth and he bit me, so I lost it.

It’s not bad, but he’s a gutless guy. I have no respect for him at all. I lined up against him and asked him to fight and he didn’t want to. If you go and bite someone … I just have no use for him.

He does his job well. He’s an agitator. He’s garbage to me and I have no respect for him at all.

You should have a little more honor than that. Usually if you bite somebody you stick up for yourself and you fight the guy. Not this guy, he’s chicken and I have no respect for him. He plays the game hard and I respect him for that, but he yaps, he’s a dirty player. At least a guy like (Sean) Avery fights. This guy is just chicken (bleep) and I hate him.

It would have been better if he dropped the gloves with me, but he’s got no stones.

I mean we all knew this but it’s nice to hear sombody else say it

by flyrsfrk05 on Jan 25, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Ben. Didn’t realize you had already posted this as a fanshot.

by flyrsfrk05 on Jan 25, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone else hear that jack-a** Ed Olcyk?

After they 2nd bad call on Gagne (the trip in the corner not the double penalty that should have never been and discounted Richard’s goal) you can hear Ed “did you know I used to coach these guys” Olcyk say “yeah” as he watches the replay and sees that its a chincy call at best.

It’s bad enough that I have to put up with away announcers on Center Ice package but on the national broadcasts there needs to be less homering for the Pens.

Watching yesterday’s game made me realize one things very evidently, I WOULD NEVER BE PROUD TO ROOT FOR THE PENS. There is nothing about that team that as a hockey fan that makes me proud. They are a bunch of gutless whiners.

Take you cup and shove it up your collective ass Pittsburgh.

by boknows71 on Jan 25, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

I think Pierre Mcquire has to be the biggest Penguins suck ass there is. He makes me want to puke listening to him kiss Crosby’s ass. Why don’t they get someone who will call NBC games down the middle. He is such an ass clown.

by rvd420pete on Jan 25, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Gagne put his stick between a Penguins’ feet and he went down. That was not a bad call.

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Mario

Please go back to Pensburgh where you belong. I’d go over there myself and spread the truth but I am not allowed to because I called Gino’s mom fugly last year.

Grow a sack Pensburgh, she is friggin ugly.

by boknows71 on Jan 25, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

mario is right though, it was a fair call and was stupidity by Gagne to even get into an altercation at the time.

"NO HONOR"

by JpH89 on Jan 25, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a good call, if the officiating had any consistency whatsoever.

Considering however, that the refereeing in this league is kind of like how the Flyers play, it’s pretty frusturating all in all.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 25, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Ouch. That’s just mean. But the truth hurts…

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by Mike B on D on Jan 25, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

NHL Scheduling

Sorry if this has been posted already…

Interesting note on the Flyers/Penguins series this year. 3 of 5 meetings the Flyers played the night before and the Penguins were off for at least a day. 2 of 3 games we had to travel. Then another game was a home / home where we traveled to Pitt, they were off, then came home to play the 2nd game, our 3rd game in 4 d…ays. Today we play them with our second game starting less than 24 hours from yesterdays game.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 25, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I think I posted this last time we played Pittsburgh. Here’s what I said then…

The Flyers have a total of nine back-to-backs all season long, and in three of those nine, Philadelphia plays Pittsburgh on the second night of a back-to-back. They are one of only five teams that plays a single opponent in that situation that many times.

Obviously, it’s not easy to play a team of Pittsburgh’s caliber multiple times after playing the night before. But before we get all bent out of shape and go complaining about how bad the NHL schedule makers are, the Pens have to do the exact same thing against the Devils. So who really cares? Still, it’s an interesting little note.

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by Travis Hughes on Jan 25, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not reading much into it. It’s pretty ridiculous, but certainly I wouldn’t point to any conspiracy here (although, maybe I should! haha)

The worst thing about yesterday was the officiating. As you noted above, it was awful and I’d love for the special teams extravaganza’s to cease. It’s awful hockey to watch.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 25, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agreed. The game had absolutely no flow.

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by Travis Hughes on Jan 25, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

21 minors would do that, I think NBC is paying the officials on a per call basis or something. Anyone know the record for minors in a single 60 minute game.

by chrislanci on Jan 25, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

that is arguably biased….I really don’t understand the NHL’s insistience on back to back games though if i were to guess tv sceledules and traveling have a hand in it

by j reed on Jan 25, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s arguably biased for those teams in the same stituation

by j reed on Jan 25, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

“We played that game hard,” Laviolette said. “We played it really hard. I thought we did a great job getting to that level and really digging after playing [Saturday].”

“We had chances again,” Richards said. “I had a half-dozen myself that I didn’t score on or even get a shot on net. It’s disappointing. We just couldn’t create anything on the power play. It came down to special teams, again.”

Relax guys, everything is okay. The Flyers “played hard” and “had chances”. Don’t worry about the absolutely awful decisions they made to lose that game, or that they only have five defensemen on the roster. They don’t have a problem in the world except for refereeing.

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Mario after seeing the last two weekends and the fact this team isn’t going to beat the better teams what is the priority in shaking up the roster. Not if they should, but more they have to. They need to exchange some of these centers for wingers and now more than I realized they need defensive help if not more than a solid 5th. What wingers are even out there besides Kovalchuk to get on the top two lines? Dustin Brown?

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

It all depends on how long Paul Holmgren continues the farcical pretense that this team could win this season.

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

the problem that i have is that i’ve gone from trading Carter to thinking trading him would be a mistake. So that leaves very few other assets that we have.

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by HockeyOutsiders on Jan 25, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Really trading Carter might have to happen, still. Giroux needs to play center, Briere needs to play center, Carter needs to play center and Richards needs to play center. That is too many guys needing to play in the top two center positions. Richards could effectively play third center with all the special teams he plays and he is the best defensive center as well. But Briere isn’t going anywhere unless he wants to and I want Giroux over Carter, he is more creative and a faster skater.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say he is faster it is probably pretty close, Carter plays much better D and has a world class shot that Giroux doesn’t, funny thing is Giroux played RW his whole junior career so why does he all of a sudden have to be a center. Losing Knuble was the biggest mistake Homer made he should have just sent Jones down to start the year and kept Knuble, Powe/Asham/Pyorala do not belong in the top 6 and without Parent we need another D-Man. I would also move Richards back to the point on the PP with Kimmo he gets his shot through better than anyone else on the team. Coburn can’t hit the net and Pronger gets a lot of attention and therefore blocked a lot.

by chrislanci on Jan 25, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Losing Knuble was the biggest mistake Homer made

How dare he not overpay for a player in decline!

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

sometimes you have to take hit he is old yes declining yes couldn’t have gotten him at good value in a two year or 3 year deal with lots of incentives to lower the cap number but if not Knuble we needed another top 6 skill type forward maybe Fedotenko or someone like that. I also know that Jones contract prevent Knuble or another winger from getting signed but and then they blow the Jones money trying to bring him up so it all comes back to that I guess

by chrislanci on Jan 25, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny point on Carter. With that shot maybe he should be the one that should be playing wing. He is the only one they haven’t tried that with yet. Giroux is more creative with the puck and maybe is not a faster skater but with the puck he penetrates the offensive zone more effectively. He has been playing wing and is far more ineffective then when he is at center. Don’t get me wrong Carter is a quality payer, but on this team he is most expendable because of where he plays and the status of his contract.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

still only lost 4 games where we scored 3 or more goals taking away goal scoring, via a Carter trade, is not going to get us more wins, we need to add more forward and D-man depth not take it away, hard with the cap situation but that is what the stupid Jones move forced us into.

by chrislanci on Jan 25, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I am all for more but in reality we are at the brim of cap space so it can only be rearranging. With that in mind we need to add a scoring winger to help the centers score more and play with more consistent partners.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

definitely gioux over carter

by j reed on Jan 25, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that is a bigger problem altogether. I don’t want to go back and forth on Holmgren, you already no my opinion of him and the legitimacy of his GM promotion. I will assume he is going nowhere and move on to what the team needs to do in spite of him.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The day-after answer:

"It’s something we have to be better at and last [game], it was the difference in the hockey game," said Flyer captain Mike Richards. "They got two; we got one. Last couple games, we were great at it … Just getting back to basics and reiterating what we’re doing. It was a good day for the power play … a recovery work day to get done what we needed to do."

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 25, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Tunnel vision.

How about their inability to score an even strength goal against a back-up goaltender yesterday?

Or the fact that they’ve scored just one (1!!) even strength goal (Asham’s against Columbus) off the rush this week? (Pit – PPG; Car – Turnover Breakaway, PPG, Turnover, EN; NYR – Homerun Breakaway, PPG; Col – Turnover, Asham, Face-off Shot, PPG, Turnover shot)

How about the stupid penalties they took, which they’ve been taking more and more of in the last few games. (Gagne tripping a Pen off the faceoff, Powe’s penalty that led to Carolina’s first goal Saturday, etc.)

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

do you get any enjoyment from following this team, if you think Gagne tripped that Pen on purpose than you must also think Kimmo shot the puck over the glass on purpose, the stick stuck between the guys legs shit happens, scoring of the rush jesus that is ridiculous they are scoring much better at even strength this season who cares if it is off the rush or off a faceoff or turnover who cares, how many goals have we given up off the rush, goals are not scored off the rush that much anymore

by chrislanci on Jan 26, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there an overpaid, aging winger out there that the Flyers could get for Briere? I just don’t see how they can play him at center with Carter, Richards, and Giroux there (the first two are better than Danny and Giroux has a much bigger upside in the next 3-4 years), and maybe there’s a team that would be willing to take him.

I think Pierre LeBrun said something about the Leafs taking on salary. Could the Flyers send Briere plus a package of prospects/picks for Ponikorovsky (sp?) or Hagman?

by RCheli on Jan 25, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Martin St. Louis? They also have a lot of young defensemen.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Tampa can’t afford to take on any more salary — they had to get an advance from the NHL and the cable company that broadcasts their games just to meet payroll.

by RCheli on Jan 25, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Briere cannot be traded. There are only four teams in the league who could even afford to add his salary to their payroll.

And he’s the third highest point producer on the Flyers.

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction: “afford to add his salary to their cap”

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he’s fourth (nitpicking) behind Carter, Richards and Pronger, but he’s grouped with a lot of other guys — Gagne (who has missed half the year), JVR, Giroux, Hartnell, Timonnen — so it’s not like there’s much of a gap.

But the trade deadline is so late, that it’s not so much the salary for this year but for the rest of his contract. That’s where teams like the Leafs come in — low salary, wanting to restock their system, etc.

by RCheli on Jan 25, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s third.

And Pronger and Gagne are the only players within .1 ppg of him. Thats a very large gap.

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we should trade coburn or gagne if we dont make the playoffs… Parent has no trade value

by fitzy first on Jan 25, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

over-react much

Damn we lose a close contested 2-1 game filled with horrible calls and a goal taken away and know it is time to trade every again over-react much.. we did just beat that same team 7-4 in a game were the refs didn’t get involved calling only 7 penalties not 21 as they did today

by chrislanci on Jan 25, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Come on man! I conceded the goalie thing, what more do you want? But seriously losing yesterday and the need to straighten out this line up are mutually exclusive. Same as beating all those sub par teams doesn’t mean we are ready to contend. This team needs to rearrange for its future success. They are obviously now in the need for a solid 5th d-man and I believe they need to get a top four winger. Gagne isn’t completely done but after him there is not much as far as scoring winger and Gagne isn’t getting it done.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yes but we are not that far away after a 2-1 loss that you really need to rearrange the whole lineup NO, I agree with you that we need a 5th D-Man and top 6 winger can we get that cheap enough without giving up a roster player to do so, maybe that is what I would try to do not make the big splash at the deadline going for the big name which doesn’t usually work out, Hossa to Pittsburg etc… but the right depth moves like Kunitz Guerin where we don’t give up from the top lines. Stop thinking the glamour names look for a Keith Jones type pick up that is what we need to do. In the offseason you get go after the bigger names for much cheaper and not risk this years playoff run to do so.

by chrislanci on Jan 25, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a top four winger. We already have a half dozen guys that can play on the third line like Keith Jones, but not on the first two lines. And with the injuries I would have never said worry about d but now with Parent out for a while and the rest of the also rans we need someone to fill the hole.

by M from Pdaddy on Jan 25, 2010 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

olympics

also pronger + tiimenon both in their mid 30’s playing for their respective countries doesn’t make me feel any better in terms of fatigue down the stretch

by j reed on Jan 25, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said earlier in the year, if Pronger and Timmonen get through this season without an injury it would be a miracle. For Pronger, Timmonen, Carle and Coburn all to not miss a game this year, the World Doping Association will descend upon Voorhees.

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Right...

Because soooooo many teams have their top 4 defensemen play 82 games during Olympic years.

by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 25, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Try reading the conversation again, but slower this time.

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Trying pulling your head out of your ass, and leaving it out this time. In an NHL with 30 teams and a salary cap every team is going to have absolute scrubs come in and have to play games. You make it seem like these issues are only for the Flyers, every team in the East sans maybe the Caps has glaring roster deficiencies that get even worse after injury.

by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 25, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

1) We’re talking about how lucky the Flyers are not to have players injured.
2) Your point, apropos of nothing, is pretty clearly addressed in Geoff’s new article about how the Flyers don’t even have a serviceable 5th defenseman when healthy, let alone a 6th. Though they have four 7th dmen.

by MarioD on Jan 26, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Young Talent

Do we have any prospects that could bring something to the offense?

by j reed on Jan 25, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

Nope. The Phantoms had a single player in the AHL All Star Game.

Yet another reason why the Flyers should’ve signed a UFA winger last summer and left JVR in the AHL.

by MarioD on Jan 25, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like they might have mircomanaged the stituation. My impression of the offense is there’s alot of good pieces but still feel that there was no strategic vision on the management’s part in fitting the pieces together. just shooting from the proverbal hip until I get a better understanding of hockey stats.

by j reed on Jan 25, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s about accurate. The best they did in “fitting the pieces together” was Carcillo, Betts, and Laperriere. But that wasn’t for the offense, so I’m not sure that counts.

Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 25, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

who did you want again Petr Sykora who got cut already or the scoring machine in Manny Malhotra who also plays center

by chrislanci on Jan 26, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Stefan Legein and Jon Matsumoto are about the only two, but Moto is a center. This team has too many centers already.

Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 25, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  


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