Flyers defeat Isles, officals en route to 2-1 win
by Travis Hughes on Jan 30, 2010 4:14 PM EST
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I don't complain about officiating often. In fact, I'm not sure I ever have in the last year-plus I've been writing at this location. But today is a different story, one that demands calling out a pathetic effort by Kerry Fraser and Rob Martell.
With the Flyers rolling in the second period, Kimmo Timonen tee'd up from the point and blasted one by Dwayne Roloson to make it 3-0 Flyers. Fraser, the referee positioned behind the goal line, signaled that it was a goal. Scott Hartnell then continued his momentum toward the net and goaltender Roloson, plowing him over after Timonen's shot was already in and out of the net.
Martell, positioned out near the blue line, came in and told Fraser that the goal should be waved off and it should be a penalty on Hartnell for goalie interference instead. 2-0 Flyers, with a power play to the Islanders
Just follow along with me here for a second. If the puck crosses the goal line, the play is dead. It's a goal. So how can it be goaltender interference if, technically speaking, it never happened? Never mind the fact that you can't interfere with a goalie while the puck is in the net.
It defies logic, but so does a lot of the stuff with this league. Of course, thanks to their zebra-accelerated spark, the Isles came out on the ensuing power play and scored, turning the gaffe into a two goal difference. The Isles then turned it on even more, creating a third period that was essentially Ray Emery versus the ugly stepchild of the New York sports scene, the entire Islanders team.
Luckily for us, Emery was up to the task. He wound up with 31 saves on the afternoon and the Flyers were able to squeak out the 2-1 victory. A game the Flyers completely dominated otherwise turned into an afternoon of unnecessarily nail biting hockey, and an outstanding performance by the newly-minted line of Darroll Powe, Danny Briere and Jeff Carter will be the note from this game that likely goes ignored.
But what ultimately matters is that the Flyers came away with the two points and a 4-2 record on the six game homestand. With a nice little road trip against some pretty weak Western Conference foes on the horizon, the orange and black are set up to make a nice little run over the next week.
After the jump, questions with answers and the comment of the day.
Questions With Answers
- Does Trevor Gillies, New York's called-up tough guy, try any nonsense today? He played less than Riley Cote's average ice time this season.
- Can Mike Richards score his 100th goal yet? We've been waiting a week, Mike. Richards was completely invisible at even strength and if it weren't for his really pretty assist on Hartnell's PPG in the first, he would've been invisible on special teams as well.
- Can anybody on the top two lines do.. um, anything?! Powe-Carter-Briere showed up, at least.
- Does the Powe/Hartnell swap last, and does it create anything? It lasted, and Powe certainly had some immediate chemistry with his new linemates.
Comment of the Day
I cannot wait to see Lavvy go ballistic on the refs.
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Sweet, comment of the game haha. Apparently it will be on Sports Nite, Morganti and Coates mentioned it in passing at the end of post game live.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 30, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions
Guys, so much is going to change in the next few games rooting for teams to win/lose at this point is pretty pointless. Root for the Flyers to win and it will all work out.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 30, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions
why does the back official ever make a ruling on a goal? I have yet to see the back official make the correct call on a goal this year, just ask Detroit. I used to ref ice hockey games for kids and at tournaments we would routinely have two wearing the arm bands. But the code in our league was the back offical only makes a ruling on a goal if the front ref missed something painfully obvious. not sure why the nhl doesn’t do what i think pretty much every ametuer league does
I've gotta disagree
It looked to me like Hartnell interfered before the puck got past Roloson. He’s trying to reach to his left with his glove and Hartnell skates into him. I think they got the call right.
Even though I believe that it was a goal, there was no reason for Hertnell to even touch Rolly. I mean, why risk it, your on the hot seat in this town anyway.
"NO HONOR"
Sadly, I think this is a sentiment missing from a lot of the comments. I agree 100%. It should have been a goal and a penalty, but man… what the hell was Hartnell doing?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 30, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Being Hartnell….
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 30, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Good point, either way that it is a penalty. Only it should have been a goal and Hartnell getting 2 for roughing (like Travis said, how can you interfere with a goalie when the puck is in the net) instead of no goal and goalie interference).
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
Theres no question the puck was in the net when Hartnell knocked Roloson over after the puck was in the net, but I think that the puck was still in front of the two when the initial contact was made.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
If he was being Crosby, then not only would it have been a goal, but there would not have even a roughing penalty had they ruled he pushed the goalie after the puck went in the net.
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I dont know, I kinda think they got the call right
It looked like Hartnell had hit (at least touched) Roloson before the puck was past them. He hadnt bowled over Roloson yet, but I think there was definately contact prior to the goal.
Is there a video of that goal on YouTube or NHL.com yet? I am curious to pause it around and really analyze it.
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look directly to your right at the new SBN-NHL video widget!!!!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 30, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks! I didn’t realize that game was up already, lol!
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Its tough to tell, but my gut says that Hartnell got there before the puck did.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Watching it again and over and over like that, I’ll admit that it was closer than I initially thought it was. Hartnell was getting there just as the puck was getting behind Roloson. To me it looked like that Hartnell did not fully clip Roloson until the puck was behind him, though. It was bang bang, but the referee right along the goalline called it a goal only to be overturned not by Toronto, but by a referee several feet away and with a much worse view of the play.
Thankfully, the Flyers did hang on to win so it is just a footnote and a stupid play by Hartnell to even force the situation, and not the difference in the game.
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Geoff, quick point: Remember how you wanted Pronger to have stepped up in the neutral zone on those Kane goals Thursday night? Thats what the Islander Dman did on Powe on that first goal, and you saw Powe react in the same way I said that Kane would’ve (flipping it into the zone, going around the Dman, and taking the puck).
Remember back in December when people were so excited to see an energetic guy like Laviolette behind the bench? And I talked about how Stevens was calm by choice because he’s got a team of idiots? Today: Laviolette goes postal on the ref and the broadcast showed him screaming at his team “Let’s Go! Let’s Go!” How did the Flyers respond? Hartnell starts playing with emotional abandon; Carcillo starts playing with emotional abandon; they both are talking idiotic penalties and the Flyers are lucky it didn’t cost them this game.
Finally, once again, the Flyers played one period and packed it in for the last 40 minutes of the game. The two minutes before Weight’s penalty at the end of the third looked like a dominant power-play for the Isles despite the Flyers being at full strength. They can blame the terrible no-goal call on this game turning all they want, but the fact is when that call was made, the Flyers still had a 2-0 lead with just 26 minutes of hockey to play against a bad team, and they came very close to losing.
I’d rather win and be an idiot versus lose and be a sucker
TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 30, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Carcillo drew a penalty with like 4 minutes left in the game. And actually drew 2 during the game, Hartnell really wasn’t that bad just got targeted by the refs all day.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 30, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it was a stretch to say that the Flyers “dominated” this game before the non-goal.
Even though the Isles controlled the puck for long stretches of the 2nd and 3rd period, the Flyers did a good job holding them to the outside. The Isles had the puck in our zone for the first 8 minutes of the 2nd period and they only had two shots to show for it.
I would liked to have seen us press the attack more in the third. But once our power play ended late in the game, I thought we did a nice job of establishing our defensive forecheck.
In other wirds, the fact that the Isles controlled a good portion of the play was not a good thing. However, the way we responded in our own zone was. There was no panic, no running around, no running into our own goalie, and none of the real sloppiness that marred the 3rd period of the Atlanta game.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Not quite. Powe had already chipped the puck, and the Isle defenseman tried to deflect it. Not at all what I wanted Pronger to do.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 30, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
You’re clearly watching the wrong video, then. Powe saw the Dman too close to him and still skating backwards and chipped the puck by him.
This still shot was taken as the puck left his stick. I’m not sure how you say that is “too close”, especially since that is almost the exact same spot as my previous still with Pronger. Neither dman stepped up to the puck carrier, so I’m not sure how this goal proves that Pronger did the right thing. They both got burned by speed, just in different ways. Both allowed it to be a foot race, both lost. One lost to the puck carrier, the other lost the race to the puck.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 31, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to rely on photographic evidence, it helps to post the photo.
Regardless, the Islander was closing in on Powe when he flipped it in the zone while Pronger was skating back into the zone to cut off the Thrasher around the circles.
In case you didn’t notice, there’s a link there. To a photo.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Try clicking “still with Pronger”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
How many fucking times do I have to tell you this?
Here’s the link you posted: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/1/30/1284736/flyers-defeat-isles-officals-en#comments
Notice how it ends #comments instead of “.jpg” ???
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2010/1/28/1279863/bi-polar-flyers-disappear-in-third#29912115
that’s the link I posted. Notice how it doesn’t end in “.jpg” yet it takes you to my comment that includes a picture?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
THERE IS NO PICTURE. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. PHOTO NON EXISTE. THIS IS THE EXACT PAGE THAT LOADS WHEN YOU CLICK THE LINK:
Well, there’s a picture when I click that link. So that’s not my problem.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
That new video widget is fantastic. My only concern is that the page loads even slower now. I don’t know if anyone else noticed before that the SBN pages load slowly, but now its worse! Probably just my crappy connection though
Powe’s move on Briere’s goal was fantastic. That line has speed to burn now. How did Hartnell go on Richards’ line?
Is it just me or does Emery look a lot more floppy since he came back from injury? Before it seemed like he was a pretty good butterfly goalie with great athleticism but his positioning let him down. Now he seems more aggressive but more floppy and less accurate in his movements.
People are crediting Lavvy with reeling in Carcillo, why hasn’t Hartnell followed suit? Is he just forever going to be prone to boneheaded plays. I’ m glad that he was crashing the net but it cost us a goal. Also, Roloson is a warrior. I can’t believe the Oilers let him go. All he is doing is making another team with porous defense competitive every time he plays.
That is all
I’ll let support know and see if there’s anything they can do about it.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 31, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously. There’s nothing I can do about it directly though, since we have a content-sharing deal with the NHL and our end of the bargain is to keep the player on the page.
I’ll still let support know though and maybe they can alter something elsewhere on the page to help speed up load times.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 1, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve been personally vilifying Hartnell all year for subpar play and tons of unnecessary penalties, but I’m totally letting him off the hook for this no goal call. First of all, Fraser called it a goal, and then told Rolosson to screw off after the play- it’s a goal. But that aside, Hartnell was skating at the very top of/outside of the crease, and was watching the puck the whole time. Rolosson came out into his area to make a save. I don’t blame either player for what happened, and I would have been totally on board for a 2 minute roughing call, but to say that Hartnell purposefully interfered with Rolosson’s ability to make that save (a save which there is no chance he was going to make even if his glove wasn’t impeded) is just wrong.
But what actually upset me more than that was the sequence that took place at 3:10 in the game highlights. Hartnell was cross checked twice during the series leading up to that chance, and then is attacked by three Islanders after the whistle- and HE got 4 minutes?! Really?
As for the actual game, I agree that the new Carter line looked very good, although I don’t like the idea of putting probably our three coldest forwards on the same line (Gags, Richards and Hartnell). I have full confidence that Richards will recover from his current streak of poor outings, but right now all three of those guys are playing pretty below average hockey. Personally I would have liked to see Powe switch with Briere, not Harts.
"He told me, 'Keep your head up.' I didn't realize he meant the whole season."
Anybody else baffled at how Emery can look so bad in games and yet only give up a goal or two?
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions
It’s artful, no?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Random: John Boruk said Blair Betts was limping around the locker room. Hopefully this isn’t serious (and I doubt it is, but still).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 30, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions
It doesn't matter whether it was the right call or not
What matters is that once again NHL referees have injected themselves into a key play, and suprirse surprise — the team that has come out on the losing side happen to wear Orange and Black..If it was one play in one game, that would be one thing, but when it’s about the 5th time in the season, you really start to question whether the conspiracy theorists might not be so crazy after all. What made this one particulary egregious, is that you have a backside referee OVERULING the fronteside ref, after having stood dumbfounded on what was at best a split second play. Suddenly 3 minutes later, he’s ready to make the call that he apparently wasn’t able to make in even the remote vicinity of the timeframe in which the play occurred? It’s bad enough that he made the call, but to do so after the fact, made it even worse. In fact I don’t think they could have approached the call in a manner that would have been more deflating and draining than the manner in which they approached that call. They had to go pull the gatorade out of Hartnell’s mouth as he sat on the bench in order to put him in the box, it was such an armchair quarterback call. Coming so soon after the horrible (but not dissimilar) high sticking call on Gagne in the Pittsburgh game that took away Richard’s goal and also resulted in a 2 goal swing — this is the type of adversity that you couldn’t dream up in your worst nightmare.
As for all the people asking what Hartnell was doing, are you all really that oblivious to the job that Hartnell is suppossed to perform for the Flyers — namely standing in front and screening/ pickig up loose change at the top of the crease? It’s easy to armchair it, especially if you never played hockey. Hartnell makes plenty of boneheaded decisions, but this was not one of them, and anyone saying it was, is just plain wrong.
Sometimes going through this type of stuff brings a team together. We won’t know until after the Olympic break if this is one of those years.
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