Game 43, Preview and Open Thread: Assessment Time, Philadelphia Flyers at Pittsburgh Penguins
by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 5:10 PM EST
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PrintPhiladelphia Flyers at Pittsburgh Penguins, Jan 7, 2010 7:30 PM EST
#10 Philadelphia Flyers (20-19-3, 43 pts) at #4 Pittsburgh Penguins (27-16-1, 55 pts)
Mellon Arena -- 7:30 PM ET - Pittsburgh, PA
TV: CSN Philly HD, FSN Pittsburgh HD, NHL Network US HD
Radio: 610 WIP (internet stream), XM 208
This is the open game thread.
Get Pittsburgh reaction at Pensburgh
While 5-1-1 in their last seven, the Flyers have not put together a win against a team the standings would call good in a really, really long time. It's hard to say they've proven anything while on this little win streak, and saying that they've turned it around is even more of a stretch. A win tonight against Pittsburgh is, well, you know the deal.
These are always benchmark games when the Flyers take on the Penguins, at least over the last few seasons. Given this current situation, tonight that seems to be the case more than any of the previous three meetings this season. A win tonight will go a long way toward the Flyers proving to us that they have in fact turned the season around.
I found an interesting link over at Pensburgh this morning in their preview of tonight's contest that shows how many times teams play certain opponents on the back leg of consecutive games. The Flyers have a total of nine back-to-backs all season long, and in three of those nine, Philadelphia plays Pittsburgh on the second night of a back-to-back. They are one of only five teams that plays a single opponent in that situation that many times.
Obviously, it's not easy to play a team of Pittsburgh's caliber multiple times after playing the night before. But before we get all bent out of shape and go complaining about how bad the NHL schedule makers are, the Pens have to do the exact same thing against the Devils. So who really cares? Still, it's an interesting little note.
Claude Giroux could miss tonight's game with the flu, but the Flyers are calling him probable. There has also been no official word on the Flyers starting goaltender, but indications are that Brian Boucher will get the start. If he does in fact get the nod, it'll be his first start since December 21 against Florida. UPDATE -- Leighton will get the start.
The Penguins' Sergei Gonchar will be a game-time decision tonight. He hurt himself when he took a shot off the skate last week against New Jersey and has missed three games. Forward Chris Kunitz is also out of the lineup. More to know about the Penguins? Their power play is just God awful all of the sudden, which I doubt the Flyers penalty killers will be too sad about. They're dead last in the NHL, converting at just 14.7 percent.
While the Flyers were on the road before the New Year winning four straight, the Penguins were doing the opposite. They lost all four games on a road trip that straddled January 1, but in their return home against Atlanta on Tuesday they righted the ship a little with a 5-2 win.
One final note about Pittsburgh before moving on: Seth Rorabaugh, who runs the Empty Netters blog on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette website creatively called Philadelphia a pig-pen today while previewing tonight's game. See it there, under the Finger/Hartnell fight video at the bottom? He crossed it out cause it's supposed to be clever or something. I'd just like to point out that Pittsburgh is one of the dirtiest cities in America according to the most recent study done in 2008. The Steel City is ranked number one on the list in short-term particle pollution, which is a major cause of cancer and other nasty things, and it creates what the American Lung Association calls "a deadly cocktail of ash, soot, diesel exhaust, chemicals, metals, and aerosols." So that's what's in a Primanti Bros. sandwich!
The Flyers will climb back into playoff positioning with a win and a Montreal loss tonight. Go Panthers. After the jump, a look at the lines and probable starting goaltenders, questions to answer, and our in-game open thread.
Flyers Line Conbinations -- nothing to see here, really. same old story.
Hartnell - Carter - Briere
Gagne - Richards - Giroux
JVR - Powe - Asham
Carcillo - Betts - Laperriere
Carle - Pronger
Timonen- Syvret
Coburn - Bartulis
Starting Goaltenders
Questions To Answer
- Do the Flyers have their swagger back? They looked intimidated against Pittsburgh in their last two outings. Do they look the same tonight or are things different?
- If Boucher starts, can he jump in and play well despite not starting a game in weeks and only seeing two periods of action since? If Michael Leighton starts, can he show the front office why they should keep him around?
- Does Claude Giroux show any effects of playing with the flu?
- Jeff Carter, while clearly having an off year, had five points in three games against the Pens. Can he keep that up?
Tonight's game is on CSN Philly on the home side of the state, FSN Pittsburgh on the enemy side of the state, and NHL Network in the US everywhere those channels aren't. Remember, the game's on at 7:30, not 7 PM, because Pittsburgh is weird. As always, join us here for the conversation. LET'S GO FLYERS!
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Let this game be our cornerstone
Last year the Penguins won a critical game agents us mid season. They only had their new coach for a little while. I was hoping we could put a nail in their coffin. Unfortunately they won that game and started to gain confidence. We lost, and started accepting mediocrity, never having a strong string of quality wins for the rest of the season.
Tonight, I hope we get the job done and can build momentum for the rest of the season.
Im so fired up for a win tonight!!
Leighton with the start.
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How does this internet stream thing work? Sitting in the lounge at PHL until like 8:30. They have satellite so they can’t put on CSN but I do get free internet up here…
http://atdhe.net/ usually has stream up for every game… I’m sure there are other websites as well that people know of.
Got it now, didn’t realize I had to hit the play button to the left. Just saw that red devil image or whatever…
Am I cursed with the Pittsburgh broadcast? Or will a CSN link show up?
CSN links are rarely available. It’s almost always the broadcast that’s on Center Ice/NHL Network, and CSN is almost never that broadcast.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just wait until the actual game starts…
Personally, I would just mute it and save myself the trouble from the verbal fellatio that will be going on all night.
Or if you want, go to hockeywebcasts and throw on the audio feed they have there. At least you can listen to the Flyers announcers.
Some think too much, then come too soon
I just curse the sun, so I can howl at the moon
Internet is not free in PHL, every other city in the country but of course not Philly. I think it is only free if you have an AT&T air card and service. Did you get the slingbox like I told you?
Slingbox is incredible.
There’s free internet at PHL in the food court in terminal B and C.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I have to wait for dinner to be served, then sleep.
But I also learned that among the on demand options is “Curb Your Enthusiasm” and I haven’t seen the new season yet.
Choices, choices… but I definitely need to sleep since we arrive at 9am and have a full day planned.
The new season is great. Unfortunately since the Seinfeld thing is an arc across the whole season, you can’t really watch just one or two episodes.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
I copied and pasted from another site. I’ll double check.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, that’s better.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Holly Cote alert on Pre-Game Live.
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Fedotenko out for the Penguins as well.
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Good, their power play can plummet a few more points.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh thinks “this Flyers team has hit its stride after winning six of its last seven.”
I’m not sure what world they’re living in, but that’s both factually incorrect and ridiculous.
That’s the worst part about television journalism, especially in sports analysis. It’s all conjecture. They’re just trying to fill space, but they never have enough time to truly break anything down and do analysis that’s worth anybody’s time. So it’s just crappy, pointless statements like that that only appear correct when glazing over a subject.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
But before you get that deep, the Flyers lost to both Boston and Ottawa last week, so they can’t possibly have won six of seven…
Hahaha, oh… yeah…
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Syvret nullifies Crosby. Woop.
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Is ATDH awful, busy tonight, or is the airport connection too slow?
Because I’ve just seen literally 10 seconds of the first minute and a half, the rest of the time its just been buffering….
Probably a combination of the three.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/nhl-icehockey/49327-ice-hockey-today-jan-7th.html
Try that, too. A couple more links. The one that says “WebSop” needs a download.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Checking those out, we’ll see if they improve… Im DVRing the game at home to watch next week when I get back, so I will probably not watch this much longer.
Thanks for the assistance either way.
Obviously, I will be avoiding the site until late next week when I catch up on games, take care.
Have a good trip.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
“He gets in the way of Crosby… who of course flew through the air.” — Jim Jackson
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They also had one last game, but even that was the first in 13 tries. Definitely not getting it done with the man advantage this yr
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What’s the problem? If you have an answer to that…
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Heh no clue. But I guess you could say “Mike Yeo” or “Tony Granato” as an answer to that. But I’m also a believer in the fact that assistant coaches are often used as scapegoats in situations like this. If you ask me, I think they are just straying away from the “keep it simple” approach. As is right now, too much passing, looking for the pretty play – you have the man advantage. Just use it.
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Hey, no more PP.
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Carter! Wooooooo
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Welcome Back Carter.
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haha wow. this is getting out of hand quickly
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Carter has six points in 4 games against the Pens.
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Awesome pass from Asham there.
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Shit. Offensive struggle?
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I’m kinda used to it by now.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
We’re in store for a high-scoring game tonight, huh?
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I wouldn’t mind if we didn’t see a goal the rest of the game….
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Let the Pens get two more and then I’ll agree
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Man that was a rough save by Leighton on that Malkin shot.
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Left handed larceny is by far my favorite JJ line. Was waiting for it and he didn’t disappoint.
Awesome save.
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Some pretty bad turnovers in both defensive ends…
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The rubber’s real bouncy tonight. One of those balmy January days or something…..
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, Peco time. Good time for an insurance tally.
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CARLE! What a bomb!
3-1 baby.
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Great goal by Matt Carle!!!
On a different note, is it possible for Coburn to play any more like a 4 year old girl? He is a big guy and yet he plays so timid its disgusting.
He’s been that way ever since that eye injury. It’s really a shame.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
hes a big baby… he needs to take some notes from laperriere. the guy took one to the mouth came back the same game
I liked his quote last week. Don’t know what I was watching, but he said if the chance comes again to block the shot with his face he’s taking it
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Oh wait, they actually showed up tonight? Oh thats right, they are good now so they have fans. Crazy how that works.
They need to get to loose pucks in the defensive zone. It’s terrible.
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Hope everyone took the over tonight….
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Mellon Arena’s ice is pretty poor
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions
lay it on me Coatesy, which u got today
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:16 PM EST reply actions
Anybody going to the Carnival on Sunday?
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Matt Carle, very good choice
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:18 PM EST reply actions
Riley Cote, you can’t play hockey worth a shit. But goddamned, you have an amazing taste in women
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:19 PM EST reply actions
Cooke on the big screen at Mellon Arena: ‘Carter gave it right to me.’
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Has anyone else ever seen Sudden Death?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
something to think about:
Same ice that was skated on then is what theyre skating on now
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
explaining the bounces and guys falling. theyd be better off playing outside of mellon arena. apparently a lot of snow
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hockey time wooo
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Pronger!
Man, Fleury looks rough tonight. I’ll take it.
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Led Zeppelin hat!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:32 PM EST reply actions
yes, its true. look at Johnson’s helmet
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Fleury’s out. Brent (?) Johnson is in.
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I refuse to care until there’s a playoff.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
really? I guess I can understand that. I agree a playoff needs to happen but I’ll still care. Especially tonight, I want to see Bama get destroyed.
I’d care if it was a team I rooted for, I guess. But I’m a Rutgers fan so that’s not happening any time soon.
Until then, it’s just a mockery. The BCS is just a giant money grab and I refuse to support it.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
They better keep the foot on the gas.
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there’s a 6-1 loss they suffered
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
JVR times TWO!
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so who wants to bet that the non believers say that the Pens are having a bad game, not the Flyers having a good game
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:35 PM EST reply actions
Guess you guys were due for a runaway of your own this season. This might be it
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You could hear a pin drop in that place.
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pen drop
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
More goals, please.
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Oooh, rough luck for Carcillo.
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Carbomb: taking the fall, acting hurt, getting indignant
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:39 PM EST reply actions
hahahaha, nice
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
He dropped to the ice like he was cut.
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Carbomb’s venture into 70s porn has yielded 2 things: a porn stache and good acting
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
The Flyers have scored more goals in the last 4.5 periods than they did in the 13 game stretch from Nov 27 to Dec 21 in which they were 1-11.
wow.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Um, wow. So many ridiculous things about that play.
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Leighton playing terrible.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 8:50 PM EST reply actions
I was lulled to sleep a little there. I’m awake now.
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He’s playing Saturday, reportedly.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Emery, that is.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
3 goalie rotiation
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Good question. I’m planning on writing about that tonight after the game.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
In the meantime, they’re keeping all three until Parent comes back.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
The next goal is huge.
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I am not feeling comfortable at all when bartulis is out on the ice, the pens seem to see when he’s out there and either Crosby or Malkin are out there and he seems very overwhelmed
by flyers17 on Jan 7, 2010 8:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yea and the flyers should do everything they can to get a quick change
by flyers17 on Jan 7, 2010 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It seems like Crosby is out there every damn shift.
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Strangely, yes.
Some think too much, then come too soon
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We’re pinned down in the defensive zone and it leads to a penalty. The Pens are controlling the game right now, it’s only a matter of time.
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I think that one went in. To the video tape I suppose
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That’s gotta be in the goal. Johnson’s entire body was in the net.
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And the Johnson pushes his body back across the line. If that’s not proof…
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There was a shootout goal against the PEns last year when they played the Islanders that was the exact same thing. Goalie was behind the line but the puck “could’ve” been under his mitt, the only thing in the crease, so it was ruled no goal. We’ll see here.
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theyre really bad
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
What are they saying?
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Can they say it’s conclusive if they see the puck coming out of the net?
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common sense says that if you take something out, it had to be there in the first place
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Tough call only because you can’t see it in the net. It’s a goal but it’s hard to prove.
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If it was called a goal I think it would’ve been harder to disprove
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Yeah, I can understand why it’s not a goal since it was no goal initially. We all know it was a goal though.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
They have to overturn that.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions
That is embarrassing.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions
lol no goal
Bettmans a cocksucker
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions
Because clearly he’s the one making judgment on that goal
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sheer frustration Frank.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
understandable. It looked like a goal to me and most of the people on the Pensburgh thread too, for what it’s worth.
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Could be a huge swing in the game if the Pens score here.
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Stop with the conspiracy crap, guys. Come on…
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It’s not a goal because it theoretically could’ve been out. The reasoning may suck but it makes sense. You can’t see the entire puck in the goal.
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heh, now luck isn’t going our way
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions
I didn’t see the last angle you guys are talking about. If someone wants to DVR it and throw it YT during intermission…
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the last angle consists of Johnson moving the puck from inside the net to out of it. The only issue is you don’t see the puck go in, only come out
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
It’s from the front isometric view of the goal mouth. It’s pretty obvious that the puck MUST be in the net. However, the rule is that the puck must be visible and completely over the line.
Bullshit rule IMO
It makes sense to me. If you can’t see the puck, there’s a total chance a hair of it could still be touching the goal line, no?
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
It is a bullshit rule, but if the rule were reversed – and goal judges would assume whether or not it was a goal and base it off judgment – it would be an even bigger BS rule.
It’s lose-lose either way
Yep, exactly. There’s too much judgment involved the other way.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
That no goal call was totally horse shit.
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The ref should also have been paying fucking attention.
Are you pregnant ref? Cause you missed two periods.
I understand the goal ruling but if say you have an apple covered with your hands, then you put your hands in a basket, is the apple in the basket?
No puck visible.
A second later.
Puck has to be in. Conclusive.
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That’s a great look. Like I said, I am 100% positive that should’ve been a goal. But, even from that pic, is it conclusive that the puck is past the goal line?
That was my thought as well. The overhead can’t prove it’s over the line and that angle in the pic can’t prove it is either. It’s a tough thing to prove even though it would seem the majority of people watching (including us Pens fans) would agree it looked like a goal.
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Picture of the goal.
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whats done is done. play a complete 3rd and grab the W
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions
Yep, the Flyers better not be thinking about this.
We can though.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Either way, if this game goes to OT even if we win it is a huge shock to momentum. We need to beat this team, they are weak now and it’d be a good springboard for some patsies we have coming up. Maybe we could make a nice run and get the 6th seed or something.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 9:24 PM EST reply actions
id like to avoid the 6th seed. most likely devils will take the division so chances are penguins will grab the 4th seed. thats not a first round matchup i want.
The sixth seed would face us off against the Bruins or the Sabres, probably. The three seed
Obviously, things will change. But in all likelihood that’ll be the NE division winner.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Could be the Caps, though. Or even the Devils if they fall off.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I’d just like to make the playoffs in general
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I like the #6 a lot. Getting the weakest division winner > getting the top “wild card.”
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by Ben Rothenberg on Jan 7, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Chances are we’re going to see either the Pens or Devils, possibly both, at some point in the playoffs so whether they come in the first round or ECF doesn’t matter if we can’t beat them. When we play our game we can beat them both in a 7 game series.
Honestly, I think the Devs can get the 2nd seed. Who knows I don’t want a Div foe first round. That is for sure.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 9:29 PM EST reply actions
this is what happens when you sit on ur ass and play a defensive game
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:32 PM EST reply actions
Lack of offensive pressure leads to a penalty. Typical.
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It’s stressful but they’re keeping the Pens to the outside.
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Time to shorten the bench, I don’t want coburn or bartulis out there at all, WHAT THE HELL WAS LEIGHTON DOING?!?!?!
by flyers17 on Jan 7, 2010 9:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
pronger should try out for the rodeo
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:34 PM EST reply actions
haha, good one.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree, and I would agree if I thought it was legit. but his skate was clearly over the line before the puck was
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Yeah, that’s what I saw.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t really matter if he has possession. If he carries the puck in but his body enters the zone first, it’s off.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
lol wasnt offside
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:35 PM EST reply actions
I think that was offsides, whether Jonesy thinks so or not.
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the toe drag in replay seems to be good
Real time i could see the offsides
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
I thought his left foot was over first.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
whole body needs to be on the line? or just a piece?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
The puck has to cross before any body part. Well, not arm or head or something, but skate (duh)
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I might understand the rule wrong, then. And if I do, I’ve misunderstood it my entire life.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to disagree but NHL site says possession equals not offsides.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26497
Okay then. Learn something new every day.
Thanks.
In that case, the debate turns to whether or not he had possession before hitting the line. I wasn’t looking for that since I clearly didn’t understand that part of the rule, so I don’t know.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
haha, we still have the lead!
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Beating the Penguins is preferable to losing.
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Hartnell Sucks
sorry just my opinion but man he looks dumb out there
Don’t let the hair fool ya.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
17 games
and no goals sorry he isn’t doing much
by EaglesFanatic80 on Jan 7, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry missed that game
is he earning his 4 million dollar hit?…didn’t think so
by EaglesFanatic80 on Jan 7, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Is it Goons week where they demonstrate other skillsets?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions
It’s good that the sheriff has hands of stone
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions
CARTER! times two!
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Carter, hot damn
Lavioliette’s system, paying dividends
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions
Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
And watch as the fans file out the building.
Some think too much, then come too soon
I just curse the sun, so I can howl at the moon
Leighton looking hurt
time to warm up Backlund
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:46 PM EST reply actions
Backlund is in upstate New York…
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Leighton’s hurt
You’ll see Backlund operating the door next game
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Emery’s back on Saturday.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I just wanna see some sweet sweet Swedish goalies Travis
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Glens Falls has an airport you can fly in to.
… I think.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
See, this is better. A goal and some offensive zone control the next shift.
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Ah, balls.
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Why are they a pairing? I miss Parent, he made big strides this year.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 PM EST reply actions
well, having Fleury in net, 4 goals will normally be enough
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 PM EST reply actions
Nope, tonight’s his first two-goal game.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
ah, then he will get the hatty against the Pens. Players always set little accomplishments like that against Pittsburgh
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We should have like fourteen goals.
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giroux passing to Gagne, Gagne wiffing
im loving the energy
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions
We have had SOOOOOOOOOO many chances. This game should be 10-4
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions
I certainly was.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I like our forward lines right now, they all are starting to get chemistry and it’s showing
by flyers17 on Jan 7, 2010 9:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gagne had about 3 good opps to put it in
good thing is…these guys will get hot…I’m loving our forwards…eventually they will heat up and it will be hell to pay!!!
That is an interesting stat about JVR, most even strength points among rooks. Defense looks horrible though.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions
I like this stat tonight: as of right now ever Flyer on the roster has gotten 10+ minutes of ice time….talk about utilizing depth
by Flyers and Terriers on Jan 7, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions
Malkin looks like a young Homer Simpson.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 9:58 PM EST reply actions
They call him Short-Bus
Also, watch Cooking with Evgeni on youtube
shit’s hilarious
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Unrelated, but Game 5 of last year’s playoffs was fun.
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Empty Netter Here
for JVR or Carter…get them a Trick
by EaglesFanatic80 on Jan 7, 2010 10:01 PM EST reply actions
Wow Crosby Hit someone
never heard that in a sentence
by EaglesFanatic80 on Jan 7, 2010 10:03 PM EST reply actions
Montreal wins in regulation so 9th place for us.
Hopefully some of the teams ahead of us can go into mini slumps so the Flyers can get back into the top 8.
We’ve got games in hand. No rush.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 7, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wow what a job by Powe to negate the icing. Richie seals it.
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well kids, notch a W
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 7, 2010 10:04 PM EST reply actions
Good hustle. Good game. Looking much better under Laviolette this time around. See ya guys again in two weeks.
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Leighton’s 7th win, a career high.
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thats a good game to end my winter break on
by Flyers and Terriers on Jan 7, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions
Dumping a touchdown on the Penguins = a great way to spend a Thursday
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I'm going to bitch for a second.
That game was intense and lots of fun, mostly because we won.
The Pens hung around because they are a very talented team, and we ran out of steam during stretches there. But the good thing is that we stuck to our game plan and got the job done. Defense could have been better, but other than that the Flyers did a good job.
Now the bitching:
Coburn sucks anymore. Putting him with the least experienced guy on the team is not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination. He dragged Timonen down, for God’s sake. Bartulis has done well, but he is young and will make mistakes. Coburn will make God-awful mistakes, as he has all year.
Look at the other guys on the Flyers’ blueline. Timonen has rebounded nicely after a poor start and is playing like himself again. Pronger seems to be making a number of adjustments and, while he’s not as physical as the Flyers thought he’d be, he’s become very Timonen-like in doing a lot of little things right. Carle is over whatever his issues were; he has had a very good year overall. Parent, when healthy, has made strides this year too. Even Syvret has shown that he can be okay when paired with someone capable, like Timonen. As I said above, Bartulis has done a nice job overall.
That leaves us with Tollefsen and Coburn. Tollefsen should really take a year off from hockey, have an IV pump Osteo-Bi-Flex into his system, get himself healthy and then go sign in the KHL or somewhere else in the NHL. He has been a waste of money. And Coburn, aside from a two-week stretch back before all of the losing started, has been absolutely atrocious.
I’d hate to give up on Coburn so early in his career, but if the Flyers can get someone for him who is only a little bit older but a lot more steady, I’d say they should go for it. If they’re going to continue to press for a playoff spot, they need defensemen who are not going to be defensive liabilities.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Correction
Putting him with the least experienced guy on the team
Should be clearer – the least-experienced defenseman on the team.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yeah Coburn stinks now, really sucks because he was unreal in playoffs in 2008 before a puck destroyed his face. :(
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions
It’s a shame. I like him as a player and wish he would get his shit together.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
He had/has a shot to be a stud, granted he was with Kimmo the whole time but he is a great skater is huge and has a laser. You almost wonder if he could play forward.
by You don't have to be sweet, to be good on Jan 7, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
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