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Monday Morning Fly By: Excited for the Home Opener

Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news...

  • The Flyers are excited to raise their Eastern Conference Champions banner tonight: [Flyers]
  • There were a ton of stories about Sergei Bobrovsky over the weekend, [Daily News] [phillyburbs.com] [Inquirer], but this one gives three reasons to temper your expectations.  Please heed them. [HockeyBuzz.com]
  • But Brian Boucher made his case for more starts with an impressive performance on Saturday: [Frequent Flyers]
  • The Flyers game on Thursday set a new regular season ratings record for Versus: [Puck Daddy]
  • From an Albany paper, there are great expectations for the Phantoms this year: [Times Union]
  • Those Phantoms, though, are very young and very inexperienced: [PostStar.com]
  • Over the weekend, the Phantoms lost to the Senators, 5-1 [PostStar.com] but then beat the River Rats 5-3 [PostStar.com]
  • Zac Rinaldo didn't disappoint, taking a penalty on his first AHL shift.  He also added a goal in the second game of the weekend: [PSPhantoms]
  • Jakub Kovar made 42 saves on 44 shots, as his team won 3-2: [euroflyers]
  • Ilya Kovalchuk and Mike Green decided to drop the gloves on Saturday, and while it's entertaining, it wasn't very good: [Puck Daddy]
  • Former Flyers goaltending prospect Jacob De Serres cleared WHL waivers and is on his way to the QMJHL: [Luber's Lounge]
  • Henrik Sedin was named the Canucks captain: [NHL.com]
  • Looking at two ways - one legal, the other illegal - to get around the NHL's agreement with the CHL that no Juniors players will play in the AHL: [The Copper & Blue]
  • Asking what the big picture goal of the NHL Premiere series is: [From The Rink]
  • Hitting from behind reared its ugly head again, and this one is inexcusable: [Puck Worlds]
  • Lastly, Ryan Lambert reads an article from the Inquirer and concludes that there's something wrong with the Flyers decision to sign Michael Leighton: [Puck Daddy]

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Isn’t there some “pending physical” or at least some kind of physical required to validate the contract like in a trade?

by bfrank27 on Oct 11, 2010 10:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No, its up to the GM and coach to fully know how healthy a player is. Like Hossa last offseason, where they knew he would miss a huge chunk of the season, but he was still able to sign.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Homer says – in the Inquirer article – “We had an MRI done. It didn’t show anything that was an issue”

The question then becomes, did it show “anything” at all?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Leighton was already having these problems at the end of last season, and during the summer, I can’t believe the MRI would have been negative. I believe it would have shown the bulging disc, and perhaps it was ignored by team management as not a problem. Well, now it’s a $3.1M problem.

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll believe them when they say he didn’t have a bulging disc in June. I’ll believe them when they say he didn’t have a bulging disc on June 30th. I won’t believe that they thought he was perfectly healthy before signing the contract.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if he was having the pain and leg problems back in June, then I don’t see how the bulging disc could not have shown up on the MRI. I had a bulging disc causing similar problems to what Leighton describes, and I went to the orthopedist and with a simple X-ray (not even an MRI), they immediately saw it on the film and made the diagnosis.

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know nothing about bulging discs, but I’d imagine a guy can have back pain and strained muscles before actually having a bulging disc.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but if they did an MRI then the MRI should show the bulging disc. It’s a matter of looking.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 12, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I’m saying is: When they did the MRI, it’s possible he didn’t have a bulging disc. No?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 12, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

see … we have just assumed his cap issues are due to a lack of arithmetic. I now propose a new theory. He is legally blind. Can’t add cause he can’t see numbers? Can’t see a protruding disc on an MRI? … maybe that is the problem. I mean even Clarke was smart enough to ware his glasses.

by ic0n67 on Oct 11, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be there tonight in full force with my JVR jersey.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m thinking of heading down myself and picking up a ticket. It’s only a few subway stops away. I’d be sportin’ my WC Giroux sweater.

by grucifer on Oct 11, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Home openers are usually the most energetic games until the last few before the playoffs, plus they’ll have the ECC banner tonight. If you can get a ticket you should try and go.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the Bob write up

I’m surprised no one has mentioned how Bob has a tendency to make himself small when he goes in to the butterfly. It doesn’t happen all the time, but there were more than a few times he would let his upper body drop when in the butterfly. This is obviously something that can be worked on, and shouldn’t be a huge deal moving forward, but it’s something I have noticed, and was surprised it wasn’t mentioned in the Meltzer writeup.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, you know, I’ve noticed that too. Not surprising since the KHL doesn’t have nearly as many top-quality shooters. I agree that it’s nothing major, but another thing to work on nonetheless. I have to imagine it’s been great for Bob from a learning level to be with Reese all the time.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

the KHL doesn’t have nearly as many top-quality shooters.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry forgot the /endsarcasm

by ic0n67 on Oct 11, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha okay. Dude can pick from the circles though.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob off first

Likely getting the start.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Even if they want to ride Bob this year, give it to the guy who was here for the playoffs. As someone attending the game, I’d be very disappointed to not see Boosh get the start.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im going and I’d rather see Bobs. Nothing against Boosh, but Bobs is like a shiny new toy an I just want to get my hands on it.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen him live, and I’ll continue to see him live throughout the year…and you could as well if you buy tickets to any number of games throughout the year. The team is dropping a banner, give it to the guy that helped get you to that banner.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Understandable, and I probably will see Bobs again anyway. But I still want to see him tonight. I’ll probably see Boosh thursday anyway.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question then becomes would you rather see Bob for the Banner and Boosh on Thursday, or Boosh for the banner and then Bob on Thursday?

I don’t see why you would want to snub Boosh if you are going to see Bob on Thursday…

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone know if the banner raising is at the 7:00 start time or is it pre game? Just trying to figure out what time to get there.

by carbomb13 on Oct 11, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

/sigh\

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even though I’m not a big Boosh guy, this honestly pisses me off.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see their reasoning, they want to show off Bob to the home crowd. The new, fast, shiney goalie is too much for them to resist! I have a feeling boosh isn’t very happy about that either. It’s like choosing to buy the Iphone 3gs, tried and true, or the iphone 4. Of course their going to pick the newer one. (and ya boosh should start, i mean he got us to playoffs last year)

by Cillo stache on Oct 11, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they go with Bob again on Thursday, i will be less upset, but if they go with Boosh on Thursday, this honestly makes no sense to me.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

last season is in the past and now its the start of a new season

 Lavy wants to set the idea across the League that the Flyers are going to win most nights they play
The banner is fun, but should hold absolutely no bearing on game decisions
If he thinks Bob should start then Im betting its only has to do with the actual game and not the fans wants or wishes

by Prometheus74 on Oct 11, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously

That’s why I said:

If they go with Bob again on Thursday, i will be less upset, but if they go with Boosh on Thursday, this honestly makes no sense to me.

Frankly if he plans on starting Boosh on Thursday, this decision doesn’t make any sense what so ever. Tampa Bay is far more familiar with Boosh than the Avs, so why would you split the games up that way. Give Boosh the start against the Avs, where he should have more of an advantage in theory, and give Bob the start against the Bolts. This way it makes sense both strategically, and he gets his banner night. The only reason why I’m assuming this is that they went Bob/Boosh in the first 2…

HOWEVER, if they are starting Bob for both games, I can buy it as giving him the shot to take the reigns, and won’t be that upset with it.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they start Boosh on Thursday, otherwise the sign I’m making Erin has no relevancy.

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 11, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, he’ll still be skating around in warm ups. Actually, if he doesn’t get the start, you’ll probably have a better chance of getting him to notice it during the warm ups.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you want an iphone 4 when you could have an evo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGnYUtU_tWw

by KornontheKobb on Oct 11, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

On another note, anyone else think it’s kind of interesting how Homer and Laviolette now tell Joe Siville these things before the media?

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of, not really. They want people to get their news from the team. Makes sense.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit.

I’m playing my dad in fantasy hockey this week. When Leights went down, he grabbed Bob and I picked up Boosh. Starts for Bob are nails in my coffin. After the 17th, he can play as much as he wants. :-p

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by hintzy64 on Oct 11, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stars fighting stars

I like this, if for only that it may help push the heavy weight, lightly skilled players out of the league.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I like this too, it also makes other players on their teams see how much they are putting into the game

by CRecke17 on Oct 11, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pun alert!

heavy weight, lightly skilled

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 11, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob

I totally understand and agree with the fact that he needs more seasoning and needs to learn the north american game. But it seems like some people on here are nitpicking the hell out of his game just because they would rather see Boucher start. I personally like Boosh as a person but he is not the answer for a long term goalie, neither is Leighton in my opinion. We obviously know Bob needs to learn and grow as a goalie but it seems counter productive to be so down on him. I’m not saying we need to over confident either, I would like to watch him grow but come here and not see so many negative remarks about his game

by CRecke17 on Oct 11, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m nitpicking the hell out of his game because I want to see him improve. Honestly, I’m excited to see Bob start. I know that this team is just continuing the seemingly decade-old tradition of pushing Boosh aside, but we don’t have goalie prospects to watch try and transform themselves into an NHL goalie all the time. It’s fun, but I think we need to continue to keep our expectations tempered.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t agree with the pushing Boosh aside, the flyers did ressurect his career and gave him a chance to get back in the NHL when no one else did. They also gave him the starting job in 2001 and he didn’t perform. I also think we need to keep our expectations tempered but we know he has a lot to work on coming over from Russia and it seems like every thing that he does wrong is talked about when we know there will be growing pains. Now, I was all for him being sent to the Phantoms to learn but he wasn’t and it doesn’t look to be changing until atleast Leighton comes back.

by CRecke17 on Oct 11, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

it seems like every thing that he does wrong is talked about

Such as?

And honestly that is people trying to get a handle on the kid, figure out what he brings, and if he does have limitations right now, are they easily correctable. Plus Geoff linked to 3 positive articles, and one article that listed possible issues, while still mentioning positives. I don’t really read much negativity.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not necessarily talking about today’s articles. This was just the first time I was able to comment. I’m not going searching through prior threads but there were some things that I have read that made me feel this way. I also want to get a handle on him but we can’t expect the world from him and some people are beating that point into the ground it seems.

by CRecke17 on Oct 11, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I disagree with your perception then. I don’t see much point in commenting on the site if we aren’t going to talk about player performances. I can get plenty of ra ra comments or negadelphia from people around the office. But coming here gives me the opportunity to discuss what each player brings to the table and what their shortcomings are…sometimes we nitpick, but that nitpicking is done to promote the conversation.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

May I ask what you are referring to? B/c really all I read as far as “negativity” are people, who want Bob to succeed, so they are worried about the Flyers organization not handling him the right way. This team has had a history of mishandling goaltenders, so I wouldn’t read that as being negative about the kid, but rather wanting him to have a long successful career with this team, and voicing their concerns about rushing him.

But honestly, I’d like to know specifically what you are referring to so I can better understand your comment.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the negativity comes from the whole he shouldn’t be here to begin with. Like I said above I also was for him being with the Phantoms rather than being brought right up. What is done is done though and I think we should enjoy watching him mature rather than nitpick every little thing. I personally am not on the Boucher side and since Bob is here he should get minutes also. At this point its trial by fire and I trust Lavvy to make the right decisions.

by CRecke17 on Oct 11, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the negativity comes from the whole he shouldn’t be here to begin with.

That conversation ended a while ago. Then it switched to the need to start him in the opener against the Pens. No one is saying Bob hasn’t earned his spot here, so I’m really confused, again, as to what you are referring to?

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he plays tonight! And i also hope if he does everyone sings happy birthday hahah

by Cillo stache on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

PRONGER SMASH!

by bfrank27 on Oct 11, 2010 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha, remember last year when Emery jumped off the ice, flew down the tunnel and broke a TV? Then there was the funny Twitter parody account

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the past 18 months have taught me anything, the role of franchise goaltender in the NHL is becoming obsolete. Niemi wasn’t one and he was dropped by his team mere weeks after winning the Cup. Lundqvist and Luongo are franchise goalies and how many Cups have they won?

My point is Bob isn’t a franchise goalie yet. However, he doesn’t need to be one to be effective for the Flyers. So far, he’s as effective as Boosh and that’s more than good enough for now. Bob will struggle this year, but EVERY starter in this league struggles at times.

by memphisbrando on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

… should have said, “Bob will struggle at times this year.”

by memphisbrando on Oct 11, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

True and false. I dont think teams need to spend more then say 3 mil on a goalie, but you cant just put in any old scrub either. I would say Boosh is at the lowest level you can have for a cup winning goalie, above Leighton IMO, but I think Bobs can be above Boosh before the season ends.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that Brodeur guy definitely can’t be considered franchise…he kind of sucks…but I guess his success wasn’t in the era you referred to anyway…

But I do agree to an extent. I think as the goalie market resets itself, you may see some more of the premier goalies lifting the cup. But right now, the money spent on a “franchise goalie” is better spent on a decent goalie and upgrading the defense. If the market drops for goaltenders, then you might see some more success. But as it always has been, if your goaltender gets hot in the playoffs, that may be all you need anyway.

As we all said in the off season, pretty much anyone can start behind this defense. The only concern is mismanaging an asset, and frankly none of us can answer that one anytime soon.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im still expecting every goalie we have to chip in and get as as far as they can until trade deadline and we lick up a real goalie.
5-6 mil is outrageous but 3-3.7 for someone who can be a franchise goalie is worth it.
Chicago not paying Niemi will be their downfall

by Prometheus74 on Oct 11, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday to Pronger, and we will finally have a good defense! Im happy now :)

by Cillo stache on Oct 11, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you sweet baby Jesus

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meszaros Rating

Hey Geoff, I was forced to miss the game on Saturday night (shamelessly blaming the fiance on this one). I have it DVR’d but haven’t watched it yet. Did we do a rating on Meszaros yet?

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I missed the game as well, only catching the third period.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha same, but it sounds as it was his only bad period. Hes been a lot better since the pre-season. Maybe he was just holding back.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t look that good in the first game. And frankly he couldn’t have gotten much worse than the preseaon.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was driving to MInneapolis. Can’t help ya.

by Snevik on Oct 11, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This experiment lasted a whole one game haha

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing we argued about it for a couple hours!

by Snevik on Oct 11, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to still be watching closer tonight, Thursday, and Saturday. So whenever I get a chance, you’ll be able to find my vote in the recap.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gave him a 3 again. I still haven’t seen him do a lot of good. But I noticed that he wasn’t as useless going back to the boards for the puck.

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 11, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like his shot from the point on the PP I thing it might be harder than Prongers.

by chrislanci on Oct 11, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is, he isn’t getting many shots on the net. Granted it’s 2 games, but just thought I’d throw that out there.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on Pronger lately ?

by SkookFlyerfan on Oct 11, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Good

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprising. I watched the Phillies, and checked in on the Eagles game during breaks.

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bet you there are some grumpy faces at the Linc offices this morning.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And some thrilled people at the Wells Fargo Center.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Eagles had their many years in the sun. It’s only fair that they now share the spotlight. I can’t believe how many Eagles fans were dissing the Phillies because they think only football should be played on Sundays. Remind me of the douches that can’t wait to bash soccer at every turn.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

or the basketball fans that make fun of hockey, even though the NHL has been better the the NBA the past 4 year.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if I were an NBA fan in this city I’d be fairly bitter, too. The Sixers are the forgotten team and have pretty irrelevant for years now. Even when they were good, college basketball was king.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I ust think it’s funny when I say I would rater watch say the kings and vancover play a playoff game over mami and lakers(only teams I can think are good), and people look at me like I’m freaking crazy. When I was at ASU, my friends would always ask how good the sixers were gona do, and I always had to explain why phillly doesn’t care about the sixers. I compared us to the penguins in pitt, we only care about them when they win. We are fake sixers fans, I’ll admit that.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speak for yourself. Although they have been tough to watch, I’ve actually become a bigger Sixer fan the emptier the stadium gets. I go to more games than I ever did before, and I follow them far closer than before as a result. However, I’m probably the exception, not the rule.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you live in the stadium? Haha you sound like your there every night.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha no. But I used to never go to Sixers games, and was a casual fan at best. But since all the promotions (via Flyers tickets) and cheap seats became available I started going to some games. As I went, and had a decent time, I got to know the game a little better, and wanted to follow the team closer. So, by them being bad, that gave me better “access” and increased my interest as a fan. On the other hand, with how expensive Eagles games are, and the limited tickets available, my interest in football has decreased from what it was in past years. Similarly, with the Phillies, each year I get to go to less and less games b/c of how popular they have become, so I haven’t followed them as closely as I did pre-world series. I’m still a bigger Phillies fan than I am Eagles or Sixers, but as it gets harder to get tickets to games, I lose some of my “passion” for the team.

Not sure if that makes sense at all. Granted I want the teams to be successful, I’m not saying I don’t want them to be…I just like being able to afford to go to some games. Hockey will always get a pass since I was skating since I could walk.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you have any stats for this or can you direct me to any? my friend and i have an ongoing argument(years) about which is the better sport, which one draws more fans, which one dominates in philly(i think that’s obvious but then he brings ncaa into the mix). and he always vehemently argues that basketball requires much more skill and hockey is not a real sport

by phinally on Oct 11, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

argues that basketball requires much more skill and hockey is not a real sport

The first person to use that argument against any sport automatically loses said argument (replace italics with any sport)

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, are we going to get into an argument over a definition of “sport”?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha no, I just hate when people use that type of argument.

I like to argue over the definition of a sport just to be a pain in the ass to co-workers, but try to stay out of that one as much as humanly possible when I already have a headache.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fought that easiest way to define sport and shut up everyone who brings up this argument is this simple definition.

A sport has to have another player or team actively trying to prevent you from achieving your goal. Basically there needs to some short of defense involved.

By this definition Golf/Bowling is not a sport, neither is anything that is judged. Those are games or athletic competitions or civil unions or whatever PC term you what to use.

Nascar however is a sport by this definition so all those people are happy and leave you alone.

I don’t want to start this stupid argument but if you agree with that definition it is a great way to end the argument next time it comes up at a bar during the Masters or PBA championship or the Olympics.

by chrislanci on Oct 11, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

A sport has to have another player or team actively trying to prevent you from achieving your goal.

Basically there needs to some short of defense involved.


Those are two different things. Because in golf, for example, your goal is to win, and every other player is also trying to win, therefore trying to prevent you from achieving your goal.

Just a nitpick, but that second part needs incorporated in your first sentence, b/c that is not self evident as you imply with the word “basically”.

I also find it hilarious that by your definition, curling qualifies as a sport, but golf does not. I’m not trying to take a stand here, I just think it’s funny.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actively or you could use physically trying to prevent you. That might remove Curling but keep Nascar.

For the record I Golf a lot or used to before I became a parent and can afford it anymore, damn daycare. I hate NASCAR and never Curled.

by chrislanci on Oct 11, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I’m not saying your argument is bad or anything, or what you do or don’t prefer. I just think it was kind of funny, that’s all.

Like I said, I enjoy messing around with the debate on days where my head isn’t already pounding.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you would consider goldeneye a sport? Ans all thses years thought I was just a loser, now I’m an athletic freak haha.

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by JpH89 on Oct 11, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Online Video Games are definitely a sport. Have you ever seen this MLG Sportscenter Top 10 Halo3 Highlights. It is pretty awesome much better than watching Farve stories or WNBA Highlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnF0aH3fDZg

by chrislanci on Oct 11, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, the Eagles site has lots of people bashing this today. I just don’t understand why you have to bash one sport in order to appreciate another. You get guys asking, “Where is the loyalty (to the Eagles)”? My response was to note all the Eagles chants Phillies teams had to endure when they weren’t winning—where was the loyalty to the Phils? Why can’t someone be a fan of multiple teams? It’s not like it’s cheating to love a baseball, hockey, football and basketball team equally.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, I view “die hard” Eagle fans to be the most disloyal of all Philadelphia sports fans. They are the only fans, that come into another one of the city’s sport team’s building and start a chant for another one of the city’s teams. Eagles fans need to stop living in a fantasy world and start respecting the fact that there are other teams in this town, and if you don’t care about them, at least show them some respect….especially when they are continually out performing your personal team of choice.

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by DLJr on Oct 12, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happens all the time down here in DC too with idiot Redskins fans…

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by hintzy64 on Oct 12, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Confused about this, yahoo is telling me the game is on verus, flyers site says nothing about it being on versus. What’s the consensus on this?

by KyDi on Oct 11, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s on CSN locally and Altitude in Denver.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think tomorrow’s game (vs. Lightning) is on Versus.

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I mean Thursday’s game vs. Lightning

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought so too, but if you go to the hockey page on yahoo and under Vs upcoming yahoo! sports broadcasts it has tonghts game listed.

by KyDi on Oct 11, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m going by the Flyers schedule on their site (the full season schedule). It says tonight’s game is on Comcast Sports Network.

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohh, you know what, Versus has this as one of their “bonus” games, which means they’re just going to be pulling from either CSN or Altitude and showing it to all markets outside of Philadelphia and Denver.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here in DC, Versus says they’ll be showing the movie “Wildcats” tonight. Either way, I’ll have to watch the non-HD feed through NHL Center Ice.

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Center Ice game tonight is in HD

by Flyers on Oct 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that is if you have FIOS, and not Cox. The HD Center Ice games ar enot broadcast in HD by Cox.

by Flyers on Oct 11, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If so, that would be great. I’ll have to check. I’m set up to DVR the regular feed, as my son has hockey practice on Monday nights. I’ll have to see if I can get my wife to switch it to tape the HD feed, but with my luck, I’ll go home and find out that something got messed up and nothing go taped!

Sarauj, Latvija!

by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s must be why i wasn’t getting from all sources. Nonetheless, good news for me.

by KyDi on Oct 11, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m so sad that I have class again tonight and missing the game… too many night classes this semester.

by JLS89 on Oct 11, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m with ya buddy, I have classes from 6-8 every Monday and Wednesday night. I still be able to catch the third, so its not all bad.

by halx on Oct 11, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im starting to suspect Homer and the front office said Progner will play because it makes for a good story for the home crowd, but Progner isn’t close to game shape yet so he is pissed at the announcement.

by Prometheus74 on Oct 11, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Any idea if the Flyers are going to move

the start time for the Pens game this Saturday?

Phillies could play at 4:30 or 8 that day.

by 726 Forever on Oct 11, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve been wondering the same thing. I have to imagine they’re going to move it as soon as the time for game 1 is announced.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They will move it I am sure of that.

I am also pretty sure the Phillies will be in the 4:30 slot with the Yankees on at 8:00pm. Especially if they face the Rangers. Yankees are on the road for game 1.

I would suspect the Flyers game will get moved to 8:00pm. Giving a bit of a gap between when the Phillies should and and the Flyers begin…traffic will be a joy I am sure.

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by EREX21 on Oct 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe they’ll do 12:30 or 1:00 PM and then say anybody who wants to stay and watch the Phillies game at the AT&T Pavilion can, like they did last year with that 5:00 PM weekday game.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. I completely forgot about them doing that. Probably the more likely of the two scenarios.

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by EREX21 on Oct 11, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping for the early start. It’ll keep me out of significant traffic for the Flyers game. Especially with the make work project they have going on with the bridge…that thing will still be going on next year.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be at the Phillies game, so am looking forward to the traffic it causes (so long as we get two wins)!

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to be able to get home and watch the Phils game with my fiance, and not have to deal with the nightmare traffic heading to watch a Flyers game.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always wanted to double dip. Take the SEPTA drink lots of beers and enjoy two live sporting events rocking a Phillies Jersey and a Flyers hat.

by chrislanci on Oct 11, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year they did a “stay and see the flyers” promo. $25 lower level seats if you showed your phillies ticket. Sweet deal!

by carbomb13 on Oct 11, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

For all those living in my area

Meet Chris Pronger at PNC COLLEGEVILLE BRANCH on Friday, October 15, 2010, 5:30-7:30 p.m. Get a free autograph. PNC Collegevile Branch, 21 Town Center Drive, Collegeville.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

By autograph you me a lifetime bruise from the elbow you’ll receive to your face?

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL. I can see my son right now refusing to go up to him because he probably looks like he’s 6ft tall when sitting down. He loves Ryan Howard, too, but when he got close enough to him at Spring Training he was terrified at just how large he is.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. He is definitely tall, but he isn’t as big, so maybe that is helpful. Plus, despite that forehead of he has, his head is oddly small for his body….though that might be equally terrifying.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger has 2 inches on Howard and doesn’t look like a big cuddly baby like Howard. Pronger should be more intimidating than Howard that would be good metric. Nothing should be comparable to Offensive Lineman or a NJ Republican Congressman for that matter.

by chrislanci on Oct 11, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I once met John Runyan (I’m guessing that’s what you were getting at here). He is absolutely e-normous. My son started to cry. Runyan is a sweet teddy bear, though, misguided need to go into politics aside.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I peed next to Runyan and that Bryzenski? guy at a bar in Bethlehem years ago. Frightening. Runyan was making strange grunting sounds….

by Vansteel on Oct 11, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Howard has a lot more bulk than Pronger, and to a kid, I’m not sure what would be more intimidating…I’m assuming you can’t talk to that either, unless you have a child that has met both players. Personally I didn’t find Pronger intimidating when I met him in person, but that could be b/c he has such a terrifying persona on the ice, it’s tough to live up to off the ice.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forwarded the info to my “tough guy” friends who hate Pronger (Pens/Rags fans). I’m hoping one of them is dumb enough to get all liquored up and go heckle him so he lays one of them out.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is Town Center Dr. in relation to the Ridge/Germantown/29 interesection?

by Vansteel on Oct 11, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the new Wegmans/Best Buy shopping center. It’s on 29 just off of 422.

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by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m an idiot, I actually did all the parking lots and traffic signs at that site.

by Vansteel on Oct 11, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Top five NHL cities in the United States

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;ylt=AnM4Cfj14gwoLiSKf3qsQZ7vLYF?slug=ac-6928244

y’all see this one yet?

Basically its Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Minnesota, Detroit, Philadelphia. And is apparently only based off attendance numbers of the past few years.

by ic0n67 on Oct 11, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

question: Does attendance alone dictate which NHL city is the best?

by ic0n67 on Oct 11, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Washington?! But they’re Hockeytown! Or HockeyCapital!

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not …

by ic0n67 on Oct 11, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, was that sarcastic?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly this writer hasn’t seen their DVD box set.

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by Ben Feldman on Oct 11, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was so awesome, I bought three.

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by jello44 on Oct 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bought 8, for completion.

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 11, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a diehard Caps fans I had all the games from the boxset still saved on my TIVo so I didn’t bother buying it.

by chrislanci on Oct 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha you beat me then.

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 11, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty proud of this one. Making fun of that box set is the most fun I ever had on the BSH.

by chrislanci on Oct 11, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, don’t get me started. Living down here is bad enough with all the Caps talk, but after the decisive win over the Devils on Saturday, there’s alot of annoying swagger among the bandwagoners, er, I mean, fans….

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im sad to know that by the end of the night either the Devils or the Penguins will win their 1st game

by Prometheus74 on Oct 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is up with the 4PM start time of that game today?

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never mind, I just realized the Jets are playing tonight.

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by LVHokejs on Oct 11, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUT

They do have the cowbells and loudhorns to start off chants b/c they aren’t vocally loud enough.

by phinally on Oct 11, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woohoo, can’t wait, going to the game tonight.

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by jello44 on Oct 11, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

So am i screwed or not? what time are the Phils supposed to play on Saturday? I got tickets to the Flyers game for my birthday, which means Pauls boycotting is over, and im not trying to never be able to go to a game. (paul is my dad and the last few games hes tried to go to he couldn’t because the Phils were playing and he couldn’t park, so he “boycotted” going to games last year)

by Cillo stache on Oct 11, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

TBD….sharp

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

question mark? what do you mean?

by Cillo stache on Oct 11, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was a joke…TBD = To Be Determined

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i knew that but sharp…? im a little slow today….

by Cillo stache on Oct 11, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since you are still in school, I’ll use this example: class starts today, 8am sharp. It means right at or on the dot, etc.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahah sorry wow that was a dumb question on my part. But it wasn’t nessicarily in that context with a time so i guess maybe it wasnt uber dumb. How do you know im still in school? Since I’m on a dumb question streak, how do i put pictures in a comment? The picture box thingy didn’t work

by Cillo stache on Oct 11, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on our conversation about the women’s league at Aston, and how you said you are probably too young (just an FYI on that front, I believe they have something for all different ages of women there).

As far as the picture goes…just make sure you have the right URL in there and that it is an active link.

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by DLJr on Oct 11, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooh. thanks and now it makes sense.

by Cillo stache on Oct 11, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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