Tuesday Morning Fly By: Recapping a Win
by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 12, 2010 9:49 AM EDT
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- Recaps of last night's win: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [NHL.com] [The700level] [Daily News] [Flyers Faithful]
- The Flyers raised the Conference Championship banner last night, which was special for the team: [delcotimes.com]
- Last night was also the debut of Chris Pronger: [Daily News] [CSNPhilly]
- A great look at how much Craig Berube is doing for the Flyers' penalty kill: [delcotimes.com]
- The weekly North American Prospect roundup: [Flyers Faithful]
- The Devils only dressed 15 skaters last night, due to injuries and suspension. But mainly due to Ilya Kovalchuk: [NHL.com]
- Tomas Kaberle and Luke Schenn delivered tickets to Maple Leafs season ticket holders. Or something: [Down Goes Brown]
- Niklas Hjalmarsson is likely going to be suspended for this hit on Jason Pominville: [Puck Daddy]
- Lastly, the secret behind the Maple Leafs turnaround: [Down Goes Brown]
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Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
by JpH89 on Oct 12, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Would have been nice if they hadn’t been playing the Pens though.
by youaretheman26 on Oct 12, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw someone wearing a JVR jersey with some black/white hat as I was leaving, that didn’t happen to be you was it?
You ain't a has-been, if you never was.
nope
I was surprised how many JVR jerseys there were yesterday. Hes this years Giroux.
Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
This is why I always try to wear obscure jerseys…I’m easy to find.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I tend to just get plain jerseys, because knowing my luck, I’d buy a jersey and that player will end up getting traded or hurt or something else.
Happened to all the past rookies I had gotten autographs of.
You ain't a has-been, if you never was.
International jersey’s make that problem go away, as do college jerseys, and to a lesser extent CHL jerseys. However, if you want a Flyers jersey, and not just a jersey with a Flyers player on it, you always run that risk.
Is this the right room for an argument?
I had a forsberg sweeden jersey before he was a flyer and wore that a lot when he came here. The best thing I ever saw was a guy had a giroux player tee, but it was black with blue and orange(like his junior team). I still wish I had asked him where he got it.
Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
I usually get players I think wll be around a while. Carter wiill be in town for the next few seasons and JVR most lkely will be too. The roblem with the Lappys and Betts and Carcillos are that they are easilly tradeable or just don’t get resigned. Hell, I went with three gagne jerseys between his rookie jersey, the black jersey, and the orange one with the silver logo.
Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
" Carter wiill be in town for the next few seasons and JVR most lkely will be too."
You mean Richards, not Carter, right?
by philiafan14364 on Oct 12, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not see Carter staying with this organization for so many reasons.
But I have been wrong a lot and will continue to be
We will just have to wait and see
by Prometheus74 on Oct 12, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is completely safe to say that Lou Lamorello is absolutely not a genius that he was once mistaken for when he got lucky and drafted Martin Brodeur. Not many guys have made a hall of fame career out picking one guy riding him like a mule and claiming yourself a team building genius. It seems that it is back to Disney World for the Devils. Friggin mickey mouse organization!
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So in calculating the points that Ilya Kovalchuk’s signing should net the Devils at the end of this season, two come off for yesterday’s loss, right?
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I only saw the first to goals, but they were both weak ones by fatty. And Kovy had the turnover that led to the first goal.
Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
I’m talking more along the lines of “hey, if Kovy weren’t here we’d be able to… you know, ice an entire team.”
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 12, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
-2 for forcing a roster smaller than Mystery, Alaska’s amateur team
by edesjardins37 on Oct 12, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was pretty funny. Although they’ve looked terrible to open the past few years, and still been fine.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Oct 12, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m sure they’ll be fine.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the angle that Mirtle is taking, loosely, that this should be seen as another way of circumventing the cap. There should be a limit at some stage to how few players a cap strapped team can have on their roster
Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.
Actually, I thought there was a minimum roster size, but I can’t find it anywhere…
Light the beacon, we need DragonGirl!
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Puck Daddy’s got it. 18 skaters, 2 goalies, but the league is flexible in case of emergencies and this has happened before.
It’s the fact that it happened three game into the season that is pathetic, really.
Sorry I missed the beacon guys, but here’s a little bit of detail that might help you understand even though you already have the answer.
It’s 16.4.b that states that only under “emergency conditions” that the roster can be reduced below 18 skaters and 2 goalkeepers. For teams that have even a tiny bit of wiggle room, there’s special provisions in 13.12.m.(ii) allowing guys to be called up from the minors on an emergency recall basis due to the strength of the playing club going below 12 forwards, 6 defensemen, and 2 goalkeepers. So they could have called somebody up and gotten them through the process in time for the game….. except that section 50.10 requires that those players called up under emergency conditions do count against the cap.
But the Devils should have had another option; they could have tried to use the 1-day amateur tryout agreement, which gives the player no salary for appearing in that one game. We should all remember that the Flyers did this with a defenseman two years ago.
by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 12, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I herd the Players Union is looking into the Devils dressing only 15 players……… Caused b/c they defended one of their players getting 100 Mill so the Devils cant afford to dress more than 15 players.
by Prometheus74 on Oct 12, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s interesting that the league’s stance is that they’re sure the Devils are in compliance and aren’t worried about it (via the TSN article). If the NHLPA ends up thinking it’s suspicious, it’ll look very strange to have the NHLPA tapping them on the shoulder and going “Aren’t you going to enforce your own rules?” This just becomes a bigger mess all the time.
by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 12, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The minimum of 18 is actually the Playing Roster, so it refers to the number of guys dressed for the game. But there’s at least 6 or 7 different types of rosters defined in the CBA, so it’s easy to get confused and sometimes those definitions overlap, making it even harder to know which roster is being referred to in a specific case.
by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 12, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if this was brought up somewhere else already, but did anyone notice that Carter finally cut that Fabio looking hair he had?
Maybe that is why he is finally able to produce, he got the duoche out of him.
"Chris Pronger sneaked in the back door...banged it home."
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I noticed it immediately…but I don’t think you’ll ever get all the douche out of Carter.
Is this the right room for an argument?
It’s like asking hartnell not to fall in a game
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"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire." --Fred Shero--
As long as we have thew Benny Hill music in the backround
"Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire." --Fred Shero--
It was interesting to see which players didn’t high-five with the little kids during the pre-game ceremony. Most players did, but I noticed Richards totally ignored the kids. Timonen was the best by removing his glove to fist bump with the kids.
Sarauj, Latvija!
Did anyone mistakenly high five JVR?
by tmurder on Oct 12, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sean O’Donnell is another one that I noticed missed the kids, which seemed weird given that the guy has generally given an appearance of gregariousness.
Perhaps, and I realize that we expect more of them, some players have a mental thing where they try not to get distracted. Every player is a little different.
Pronger's TOI
Did anyone else notice how all the stories seem to make a big deal of Pronger only having 20 minutes of ice time? Wasn’t that the point of acquiring O’Donnell and Meszaros? I’m beginning to equate it to the Phillies pitching staff – Pronger – Carle = Halladay; Coburn – Timonen = Hamels; O’Donnell – Meszaros = Oswalt ……. and Bartulis – Walker = Blanton (serviceable if needed) ……… and Bourdon – Gustafson = Kendrick (not quite ready for prime time)
by Pocono Flyers Fan on Oct 12, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
I think you’re under-selling Oswalt.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 12, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wholeheartedly agree. O’Donnell and Meszaros do not a 3rd ace make. They’re more of a Blanton with Walker and Barts being Moyer…very good but sometimes make mistakes.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 12, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean “Big Joe Blanton?”
I hate when they call him that.
Whaaale, Fightin’ Phils got Big Joe Blanton on the mound. Prob’ly would BE so big. If he didn’t eat so many TRUFFLES.
/Sarge
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Your ability to make me read that in Sarge’s voice is uncanny.
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by billy_pilgrim on Oct 12, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought his nickname was Kentucky Joe. (we call him Cookies or Cupcakes, though, in reference to his general doughiness)
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The analogy is ok, but it’s imperfect. Besides, you’re not focusing on the strength of the analogy: Oswalt is not taking starts away from Hamels or Halladay, simply slotting into the rotation and improving his overall quality, and ensuring we see the minimal amount of Blanton (Barty/Walker) when it truly matters.
Pronger will get more minutes than he did last night when he’s 100%, and when game conditions warrant it. Our third pairing upgrade was partially because they want to cut some minutes off Pronger and Kimmo, but mostly because the third pairing last year wasn’t good, even in the small amount they played.
Is 20 minutes that much for Pronger? If he had been healthy/or we didn’t have our current 3rd pair he’d probably be up near 24 mins. That said I think he could have used an extra week or two off. He didn’t look like the same Prongs we saw last year.
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he looked fine defensivly, but he did look slow and had his psssing and shooting off. He’s good enough to lay, he just needs game time to make up for hs missed camp.
Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
He’s good enough to lay, he just needs game time to make up for hs missed camp.
If that’s what you’re into, then sure… ;)
I was surprised to see him back so soon. I was hoping they would let him take a little more time to come back. He did look a bit slow, but as a first game after an injury, that’s to be expected.
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He’s good enough to lay
Twenty minutes with Prongs / Oh, I wouldn’t say “No.”
People said his knee was virtually dead / And they were so wrong.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Isnt’ that Morrisey? The Smiths? Depressing muthertruckers.
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This makes me sad…which is the perfect time to go listen to them.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
GM in a coma, I know, I know, it’s serious…
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Havent won a cup in a long time……..
See the teams Ive seen…..
could make a good fan…. turn bad……
Sooooooo,for one in my life…Let me… get what I want
Lord Stanlety, lets win it the next time!
by Prometheus74 on Oct 12, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You, sir…have just endeared yourself to me even more. You sonnuvabitch!
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 13, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that I would advocate this, since I actually think Holmgren is doing a decent job, but this one was too easy:
Holmgren, Holmgren I was only joking
When I said I’d like to smash every tooth
In your head
Oh … Holmgren, Holmgren, I was only joking
When I said by rights you should be
Bludgeoned in your bed
And now I know how Bobby Clark felt
Now I know how Bobby Clark felt,
Wasn’t he getting closer to 30 mins in the playoffs last year? So 20 is significantly less for him. But it is his first game back, and I def want him to take it easy. Going a few games without him (or even reduced TOI) now and getting him back to 100% is far better than pushing too hard now and losing him for a long stretch later.
And to be fair, the whole team still isn’t playing up to form from last year. These first few games are always toss-ups, as far as I’m concerned, until everybody (on all the teams) gets familiarized and remembers how to work as a team.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
But there’s no reason Pronger should play more than 25 minutes in the regular season. It’s just not necessary, and it isn’t smart. Let him play 30 minutes in the playoffs. But over 82 games, he should be averaging 20-23 minutes.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 12, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty dirty hit on Pominville. I’ve always liked him always a quite guy who consistently did his job, and put up a good amount of points doing it. Interesting to see how long the suspension ends up being for Hjalmarsson. First dirty hit of the year wouldn’t be suprised if they make a example out of him. Which could make for a pretty long suspension, and in my option a well deserved one.
I’m just sick of seeing a stretcher every game anymore. It’s like the boy that cried wolf. How will we know if a guy is really hurt when every single injury, they wrap him up like a mummy and cart him off?
I kinda think you are veering off into left field here. You make it sound like people are faking injuries.
The increase in catastrophic injuries in hockey today is a combination of the size of the players and the fact that they game now designed around speed. Before you had 175 lbs people being held and hooked all over the place and not generating a lot of speed. Today you are more towards the 195-225 range and skating basically freely around the ice and generating much higher speeds. Simple physics 175 lbs @ 10 mph isn’t nearly as much as 205 lbs @ 20 mph. Add that with a general lack of respect to others, responsibility, and self preservation that the world in general today is lacking and you are going to get a lot of problems.
Yeah, I was veering into the left field of humor. I don’t use the /sarcasm thing, I leave it up to people to get it, but I guess I missed there….
That is hit was interesting he came from side but clearly hit Pominville in the back. Pominville wasn’t hit in the head nor was he the 3ft or so from the boards and sent flying head 1st. I wouldn’t call it dirty just an unfortunate time, 2 games like with Jones got for Bergeron sounds right. Maybe 1 because he is a Blackhawk and not a Flyer.
That wasn’t even unfortunate timing. Pominville turns his head up ice (or at the very least is looking across the ice where he should see Hjammerson in his peripheral). He knew he was going to get hit.
Part of his injury was his own fault for not bracing himself for the collision that was about to happen. It is just unfortunate that his head hit the glass. You could make an argument that it was a little from behind, but other than that it was just a massive hit. The injury dictated the penalty which really shouldn’t happen unless there was intent to injure and I don’t think that is the case.
You must’ve seen a different hit. Pominville is not even close to turning around as he’s waiting for the puck to come up the boards to him. There’s no way for him to see Hjammerson bearing down on him.
There’s no doubt that hit was from behind, not just “a little from behind.”
pominville looked at hjalmarasson twice. he saw him coming and then put his head down to find the puck coming towards him. doesn’t look like the puck quite made it to him. also a little from behind but definitely shoulder to shoulder. no need for a suspension and pominville should have braced more as ic0n67 said
Yeah, I like two teams, get over it!
No, I have absolutely no clue what I would do if they meet in the finals!
Go Flyers and Hawks!
First video about the 10-11 sec mark … he turns to look at the very least across ice. I can only assume the guy barreling down on him is in his sites. I am not saying there is no fault on Hjalmarsson at all, but I see it as he saw him coming and just assumed he was getting hit.
And under another look at it, the problem with the angel Hjamarsson came in for the hit. He hits him on the shoulder, turning his body, and the complete motion pushes his head into the boards. Like Snevik said below, he probably assumed no one would hit him in that position … which is the wrong attitude to have imo. Pominville should have protected himself, Hjalmarsson should have showed restraint and respect and not hit him as hard as he did. If he lets up 3/4 of what he is doing no one is having this conversation and he still does his job.
The penalty hasn’t come yet, and the hit was directly in the numbers before the puck got there.
Pominville didn’t protect himself because he assumed no one would hit him in that position. It’s happened to Gagne multiple times.
(sigh) Gotta agree with you on this. You’d hope Gags would learn his lesson and wouldn’t put himself in a vulnerable position but yeah… his faith in the players being all respectful obviously prevents him from doing that.
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Last Night's Game
My wife and I went to last night’s game-Section 212 was the best (even the Bruins fan)!-and the atmosphere was simply electric. You could feel the energy in the air from the parking lot to the block party outside and all throughout the Spectrum. The place was a sea of orange, black and white; I’m pretty sure it was announced that the game was a sellout of 19k(?) and it certainly looked that way. Everyone was pumped, loud and in good spirits.
As mentioned earlier, Lappy got a well-deserved standing O that lasted longer than the cheering for everyone else that was introduced, players and staff included. Watching the postseason recap with the Flyers felt inexplicably intimate-I repeatedly glanced down at them and noticed they were as interested in watching the screens as we were, giving me the feeling that they cared as much as we did. The unfurling of the banner was an awesome sight to see, even though we couldn’t see it too well from our seats (thank you JumboTron!).
During the first intermission, we waded through the sea of people to the expanded, work in progress shop to get out picture taken with the trophy which took surprisingly less time than I thought it would and picked up an opening night puck in its pretty case as well. I haven’t been to a Flyers game in a few years but, postseason aside, I can’t think of any other recent game that I would have preferred to be at. Everything, start to finish, was just awesome. Can’t wait to go again!
Ovechkin's head
… has another commercial. Looks like CCM has their own Geico Caveman now.
I love the Flyers so much I even went to Bobby Clarke Day Camp.
Well that is funny Ovechkin was already in the geico commercials last year when he was driving the zamboni.
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If only Mike Green was as attentive in the defensive zone as he was in that commercial, he would have won the Norris last season.
You ain't a has-been, if you never was.
He should have never even been in the running. Norris trophy= “best all around defenseman”. ALL AROUND? Green is not that at all and it is embarrassing that the media is so blinded by goals and pts as opposed to actual all around play. When I think of all around play, sure offense is included but his +/- was a representation of being out on the ice with ovie-backstrom-knuble. What about defense? I think that should count more than any offensive production when considering the norris trophy. I know his d isn’t too bad but it is not norris trophy quality at all..
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