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Meanwhile, our dear dear friends from Dirty Jerz got outscored 9-2 this weekend.

I guess they can be consoled by the fact that one of their 2 goals came from the 15-year, 100-million-dollar man? Aye ta taye, if it isn’t Billy O’Kovalchuk! He gives the Devils something with a bite in it. Puts them all into it, damn his soul. Father, Son and Holy Ghost and Jakes M’Carthy.

/Joyce

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

were the Flyers discussing Simon Gagne...NO

So the mystery player that was a ~$5.5mil contract…I guess it had to be one of Gagne, Richards, and Carter if you look at cap hits. I can only see Richards and Carter bringing that kind of value in a trade. I highly doubt anyone was giving a 4th overall draft pick up for Gagne
However, if you look at salaries, Carter’s salary this year is in fact $5.5mil exactly. And if we are going by salary, that should rule out Richards, who is making $6.4 mil, and Gagne who is making the same as his cap hit ($5.25)

Yeah, I think they were talking Carter, and it would make sense b/c Columbus needs a center.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you are correct, sir. Especially since I gave The Cannon a scouting report on Carter June 21st.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

And remember, Homer said last year that The Flyers would not trade Jeff Carter “This Season.”

I took that to mean that they would not trade him last season, but might be open to trading him THIS season if they could not negotiate a contract extension, or if the return was worthwhile.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, the obvious: there’s no way Gagne fetches the #4 overall. He was never that good, and he’s old, and he’s under contract.

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excuse me!
He was never that good

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by Katchis on Oct 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Snevik has opened up a can of Very Angry Worms.

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by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was that good, 5-6 years ago, prior to concussions and injuries and in the prime of his career. But now, just don’t see Columbus being that stupid

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

First, I was just fulfilling my reputation as an insane Gagne lover. Second, I was not serious. Third, I want brownies.

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by Katchis on Oct 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nom nom nom…

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by Katchis on Oct 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hrmm, I am being quite serious. I was never that big of a Gagne fan, didn’t really shed a tear when he left, feel no remorse for him leaving, but 5-6 years ago he was the bees knees. A late first round pick would have definitely fetched him, and if he doesn’t have those injuries later, I’d venture to say that he’s putting up 60-70 points a year currently

inter arma enim silent leges

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

All you said was something I figured out about you quite a while ago. So yeah, no need to bring this all up.

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by Katchis on Oct 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

groovy, I’m glad we’ve come to an understanding

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we should bring up his use of the term, “bees Knees”…

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by Mike B on D on Oct 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i find it fitting

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of like the usage, i like throwback sayings..they’re rad.

by KornontheKobb on Oct 25, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering Umberger brought in the 19th pick, Gagne probably would have fetched a hell of a lot more back in his prime around the 2006/07 season.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there’s a larger difference between a 15-20 pick and a top 5 pick. It’s just my opinion, but given fairly consistent injury problems, I don’t think there was ever point where Gagne was worth that. And by 2010, he certainly wasn’t.

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure after back to back 40 goal seasons he was worth at least more than a 19th and 3rd (for Umberger and 4th), which was where he was at after the 06/07 season (even if it wasn’t a higher pick, but more picks and or prospects). I think if we went back in time, and you didn’t have those injury problems, you could have had a lot more than 1 late 1st round pick for Gagne. But it’s all theoretical I guess anyway.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. But I’m standing by my point. They over-paid for Umberger because they wanted a center; he wasn’t worth what we got.

I just don’t think he’s analogous. Here’s a better analogy, really: right now, do you think Carter would be worth that 4th overall?

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They over-paid for Umberger because they wanted a center; he wasn’t worth what we got.

I agree, but I also don’t think they ever thought he’d be their #1 center.

Also, I’m not limiting this conversation to Columbus for Gagne. My point here is, back in 2006, Gagne was worth more than just a late 1st round pick. It was basically in response to CCB saying that Gagne, back in the day being worth:

A late first round pick would have definitely fetched him

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically my premise is, before the major injuries, after 2 back to back 40 goal seasons, Gagne was worth more than just a late first round pick to some team.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s just agree I’m right and we can move on with our lives.

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think Carter would be worth a 4th overall, just not in Columbus.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see it. I admit he has a hell of a wrist shot. Watching so far this year he hasn’t impressed. he seems to be one dimensional. His break away goal this year was sweet to give credit were do, but doesn’t seem to want to get dirty. He has wheels and the dental work he performed last week was outside the box. Just. not sold on him. Gagne is defensively responsible. Yes injury lowered his stock but you could count on his d. Carter is a big boy. Just question his heart. Yeah yeah two broken feet. I hear yah. Said nothing about being tough. Suckin up pain is different than heart.

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by flyerfreek on Oct 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He became more defensively focused later in his career, really. Carter is just as responsible as Gagne was early in his career, and there’s a similarity in that they are both being told to worry about scoring.

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been playing men’s competitive soccer for a month now on either a broken foot or torn/severely strained tendon..everytime i move the ball with my foot it hurts but I love playing soccer so much I want to finish the season for my team..I feel like if i can play on my foot, why can’t he play on his?

I also think Carter has been much more responsible in the other end so far this season..in the playoffs I was routinely worried when I saw him in their own end, but this season he looks to actually be taking bodies and using his size so I’ve been pretty impressed in that department.

by KornontheKobb on Oct 25, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are missing the point. The reason Carter would be worth a 4th overall is b/c if someone gives him an offer sheet, you are guaranteed to get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder at least if you don’t match the offer. So to make a trade for a pick, I’d want more than a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder.

This has nothing to do how any of us view Carter as a player.

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by DLJr on Oct 26, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that Black Star from Soul Eater?(yes I know im a nerd)

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by JpH89 on Oct 25, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t think anyone would have traded a top 5 pick for a 26 year-old multiple-40-goal scorer who had his last 40 goal season in the team with the worst record in the league?

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 25, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re talking about Carter, he only scored 40 goals once, and he did it on a team that made the ECF…

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 26, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is talking about Gagne 4 seasons ago, after the 2006/2007 campaign.

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by DLJr on Oct 26, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, lost track of the reply. But that’s why I said “If we’re talking…”

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha yeah, I was just trying to answer b/c I’m not sure if anyone is checking back on this thread but us.

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by DLJr on Oct 26, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Use the Archives link on top, people!

(Thanks Travis…)

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, this helps my obsessive compulsiveness regarding comments.

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This feeds my addiction of getting in the last word all the time.

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by DLJr on Oct 26, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t actually read all the new comments, I just like to make sure they are gone.

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 26, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is probably why you are a much more sane human being than I am.

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by DLJr on Oct 26, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine I often have to Z through a whole lot more than you, so I can’t read every single one. I do try though, you never know when someone might actually say something good.

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Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Oct 28, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for the Gagne-to-Columbus article, I actually think name censored may have been referring to Jeff Carter.

If Columbus were to acquire Carter for the last year of his deal, they would have to pay his actual salary, yes?

Even though Carter’s cap hit is $5 million, his salary this year is $5.5 million, as referenced in the movie.

Tambellini mentions… he was talking about moving the 4th pick [to Philadelphia] if name censored was made available. Katz then responds " so he is going to give up the pick and take on 5 and a half million?"

Plus, they spoke of the deal like it would be a certainty; i.e., Scott Howson would automatically take on $5.5 million in exchange for a 4th-round pick. Gagne would have to approve such a deal; Carter would not.

I see Don beat me to this above, but whatever. That means we’re both right!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha, I’m happy to share the same opinion as someone as distinguished as yourself.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The pleasure is mine, my good man.

Are you going Saturday? If so, I’ll stop over and say hello. You’re in the 200s, yes?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure on Saturday. I may give my ticket to my dad. I’ll know as the day gets closer though. If I’m there, I’m in 124, and I should know by Friday.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s funny. You’re in 124, I’m in 214.

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by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Box it and play the lottery.

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by boknows71 on Oct 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be there Saturday too. In 204A, with 5 Australians who have never seen a live (or any hockey game) before in their lives. Needless to say, it is going to be a lot of fun watching their shocked faces and explaining to them, what the hell is going on! My girlfriend, who is completely uninterested in sports, will also be coming with but she’ll probably just people watch the entire time. She did say she wants to go and bang on the plexiglass “like a crazed gorilla” though. haha

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I’m there on Saturday, my fiance will be as well, so they can always go talk fashion at the bar haha.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Idk about fashion. How is your fiance’s knowledge on world issues like the tuberculosis issue in Nicaragua? haha

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest, my fiance is more in to sports than fashion haha, but she is still learning hockey.
But she is also ridiculously nice, and would smile and nod, completely agreeing with anything your girlfriend said praying that she wouldn’t have her knowledge on the subject tested with any questions.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I write a story about these Australians? Because this sounds awesome.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to read it, but it goes without saying that there would have to be Australian sayings peppered throughout. Mitchell should take a digital tape recorder and get some audio.

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by doubleh on Oct 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I for one won’t be reading this story

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Australians/Kiwis all the same.

//really only kidding//

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are serious, sure. Its my unlce, aunt and cousin and his two “mates.” They are here for vacation and doing the whole Philadelphia, DC and NYC tourist thing.

Actually, we did take my aunt and uncle to a Flyers game back in ‘06. It was a 3-0 win over the Blackhawks. Everyone got orange wings to wear in honor of Halloween. But you know what the best part was? Guess who was in net for the Hawks? None other than Geoff’s man crush, Brian Boucher!

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at that game, too!

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by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT

But I’ve only gotten about 1:30 hours of sleep over the past 24 hours, and have killed myself on two 5 hour energies and a starbucks latte. So i’m gonna try and make it through the game, but no promises. (PS, Geoff would be be proud of how well I did in a simulated case debate in my wired/exhausted state haha)

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by JpH89 on Oct 25, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Complete oppisite here. I woke up for an hour, took a nap, and now I’m up again. Skippin school cause I can’t breathe (imagine a bunny breathing+ Darthvader noises) to the point of not talking.

On the bright side, I get to wear my free mail tiara agian today!

Let's do it again

by Cillo stache on Oct 25, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha always the ext best option. But I had two papers due today, and had my debate in my 9 AM class.

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by JpH89 on Oct 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sitting at work, letting my computer do all the “work” for me, while I frantically try to figure out my hw that’s due tomorrow.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 25, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I can’t wait to turn this shit in tomorrow, pop open a beer, carve a pumpkin, and watch the Flyers/Sabres game…

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by hintzy64 on Oct 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boosh in net tonight.

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by EREX21 on Oct 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

looks like Bobs is getting what Boosh had last year, play well but fall victim to bad offense.

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by JpH89 on Oct 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly. Tonight is the first of a B2B so Bob might start tomorrow.

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by EREX21 on Oct 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would be a good plan.

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by hintzy64 on Oct 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is exactly why it won’t happen.

by KornontheKobb on Oct 25, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob has gotten 3, 4, 1, and 2 goals of support in 4 games; Boosh has gotten 1, 2, and 5 in support in 3 games. I think both goalies are falling victim to a lack of offensive consistency. It’s Boosh’s turn after Bob started the last 2 games (Pens and Ducks) before Boosh started the last one.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said Boosh from last year.

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by JpH89 on Oct 25, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, and I’m saying there really isn’t much difference in the support either goalie has gotten this year.

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by DLJr on Oct 25, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Notice how every report from Teemu about Jakub Kovar talks about him making at least 30+ saves a game? The kid clearly has no defense in front of him but manages to keep HC Mountfield in games and, from what I can tell, is their team’s MVP. Granted, he is playing against weak competition in the Czech Extraliga, but he had decent numbers when he was on the OHL during stints with the Oshawa Generals (12-3-0 with a 3.14 GAA and a .903 Save %) and the Windsor Spitfires (14-3-0 with one shutout, a 3.42 GAA and a .893 Save %) and seems to be excelling in the Czech Republic.

So, right now, Kovar is 22 years old. I’d say next season, Kovar come back over and start to play with the Phantoms so we can start to see what the kids got and give him time playing in North America against AHL talent.

Between Bobrovsky, Joacim Eriksson and Kovar, I am very excited about the Flyers’ group of young, talented goalies.

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Woah, look at this guy with the new name!

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I’d grow up and use a big boy name ;)

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be happy to use my big boy name but, quite frankly, am tired of having people butcher it.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 25, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So whose name did you steal?

I mean, this is the internet and all. I’ve never met “Travis”, but I’m 150% sure it’s a pseudonym.

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by IcersGuy on Oct 25, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You provide people with new screen names? o.O

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by Katchis on Oct 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I emailed SBNation’s support team and asked them to change it for me.

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

all that work, all that typing, all that knowledge about the prospects. and the first thing said, by the blogloard no less, is:

Woah, look at this guy with the new name!

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Bravo, sir. Bravo.

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by JpH89 on Oct 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t get too excited about Kovar. He’s having a fine season, definitely. (2.05 gaa, 0.938 save percentage through 12 games). But this is his third year over there, and he’s had back-to-back 0.915 save percentages. He’s going to regress, especially with the apparently atrocious defense in front of him.

Then, when you consider all the goalies in the system for next year (Bobrovsky, Leighton, and Backlund all signed; Stewart and Riopel professional free agents; and Eriksson, Morrison, and Kovar looking for contracts) you are going to lose a lot of those guys. I think Morrison has to turn pro or become a free agent. I expect Eriksson to come over for rookie camp, then go back and play in the SEL another year. Kovar – I wish John Paddock knew him – might cease to be Flyers property after this year as well.

So… the Flyers will already have a Phantoms starter for next year barring a trade. They will have two young goalies coming off their rookie years to evaluate and sign. Then three more guys looking to play. You essentially have very little room. But yes, Kovar is having a phenomenal start to the season.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm good point. Didn’t think of a lot of that. Seems like a shame that such young, untapped talent be disregarded so easily. Do you really think John Paddock doesn’t know anything about Kovar? Man, if so, that is pathetic.

Undoubtedly, Kovar will not keep on the pace that he is on now but I wonder if he has more potential than either Stewart, Morrison or Riopel.

So, if the Flyers ditch Leighton, go with Bob and Backy in net. Eriksson goes back to the SEL. That leaves Stewart, Riopel, Morrison and Kovar to fight for the two spots on the Phantoms. Maybe, Kovar would beat out at least two of them. Granted, I don’t really know much about Stewart, Riopel, Morrison or Kovar because I have never seen any of them play so I really have no clue what I am talking about haha.

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 25, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I’m not sure of his age or whatever, but at some point you have to make a decision. I don’t know whether it’s next year or two years from now, I’m just coming to the organization, this will be my third year, and second as a manager, I’m not sure what year he was drafted…”

From my interview with him here.

haha, but don’t worry too much about not knowing Stewart, Riopel, Morrison, or Kovar. I like to think I’ve seen more of those four combined than about 97% of Philadelphia, and I haven’t seen two of them, and don’t know much about the other two.

A year is a long time. If Kovar has another year before he has to sign, I say keep him in Europe. See if he’ll go to the SEL or KHL, but delay the move. Also, I see no reason why Stewart, Riopel, or Morrison deserve spots in the organization next year. There’s a reason only one of them has an NHL deal right now.

Basically, you have every reason to be impressed with Kovar. He’s young, he’s succeeding, he’s finally healthy, and he’s finally a #1 on his team. Let’s see what he does this year. If he can impress too, then we can start getting giddy and using phrases like “aw shucks”, “by golly”, and “glut of goaltending talent”.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Columbus Blue Jackets activate Jared Boll after 6-game absence
Good timing, huh? Just in time to face the Flyers. This was a tidbit from The Cannon:

…the team will see the return of Jared Boll to the lineup, just in time to see his old mentor and occasional dance card partner, Jody Shelley.

When Boll was asked at the morning skate if he was healthy enough to fight tonight, he replied “I’m cleared to play. That’s what it means.” Boll has never recorded a fight against the Flyers in the regular season. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if we see Boll change that with Shelley or Dan Carcillo tonight. It’ll be interesting to see how the team responds if he does.

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by Mitchell Green on Oct 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

He has fought both Carcillo(2x) and Shelley(1X) to basically draws. But he is more Carcillo’s size but a pretty accomplished fighter and will go with bigger guys. Should be interesting because to activate a fighter against a team that has one definite fighter and one very willing fighter he has to be healthy enough and is most likely expecting to go. And when a guy who fights comes back off an injury he will more likely ask Shelley if they are on the ice together if he will give him a toss. I am sure shelley will oblige. Carcllo’s fights seem to be more organic then code.

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that a Carcillo complement….?! Gasp! :)

He better be scared of the Carbomb, and Prongers elbow. If he wants to know what Prongers wrath feels like, he should as Leino (too soon?)

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by Cillo stache on Oct 25, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carcillo has the heart and the desire to be good but he needs a counselor. He has no control of his emotions and needs to improve his basic skills. Trust me what separates Carcillo from Avery/Cooke/Ruttuu(the better pests) is game smarts, the legitimate skills; such as skating and stick handling and temper control.

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has fought both Carcillo(2x) and Shelley(1X) to basically draws.

Doesn’t this mean Carcillo is a heavyweight?!?!

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carcillo is a willing fighter but at 6-0/205 and guys like Shelley & Orr at 6-4/240 he is not a heavyweight. And he is trying to carve out a niche as a pest/energy checker. A heavyweight fighter is what Shelley is, salary and necessity conversations aside. Carcillo would be a much more valuable player if he could improve his skills while being annoying and actually fighting when only really necessary.

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the professional boxing weight classes, they’re both heavyweights… :-p

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by hintzy64 on Oct 25, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, heavyweight is anything above 200 lbs.

Ref: Wikipedia

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by hintzy64 on Oct 25, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. I would not want to square off with a guy having 25-30 pounds and 2-5 inches in height. Especially in hockey where grabbing and wrestling with skates on is how you go about doing it.

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn. that makes me….like not even half a heavy weight.

now I can never date a pro hockey player, there all so much bigger than me. Whats a light weight?

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by Cillo stache on Oct 25, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny Briere?

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s still bigger than me. I’m pretty small. Very small.

OT, but my gramma thinks I’m related to him. We were watching a game on tv last year (my family is extreamly french Canadian, my grandpa was a Canadian citizen. They live right under the border) She walks in and goes “he looks like a Filion! Actually, he might be” Which would be freaken awesome

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by Cillo stache on Oct 25, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be pretty sweet!

Yeah, by that table, I’m a “super middleweight”. And I’m pretty skinny. (Though slowly becoming less skinny thanks to this desk job…) I guess boxers really do have to float like a butterfly!

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by hintzy64 on Oct 26, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for making you write an entire paragraph. I was just poking the bear.

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted to answer. As ridiculous as people feel fighting is in the NHL I have been long intrigued by the fighter and the code. I spent a lot of my childhood around the Flyers and the fighters always peaked my interest. There is a lot more to it then just bare knuckle aggression. Especially in the 70’s and early 80’s when a lot of this code stuff seemed to become unwritten.

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We agree on the necessity of a fighter, and we share an intrigue in the code. I just don’t like the price they paid for one, and I define fighter pretty broadly as “someone who will fight.”

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Richards? Clarke? Tochett???

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before we start this, I should just clarify that I don’t care enough to retread this ground. Feel free to have a conversation with a dinner room table.

But: yes.

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting! But I don’t want to take you away from all the important stuff you have to do. :-)

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, I meant that I’m not invested in this argument. I clearly don’t have better things to do.

But, if you want the theory: as long as you have a player on the ice you will hold someone accountable for what they do, that’s what you need. No one going to pull up on a dangerous hit because they are thinking about Colton Orr, so I can’t believe it’s enough of a deterrent. Similarly, as long as the Lappys and Carcillos of the world will stand in for abuse every time Danny chops someone across the face, we have everything we need.

by Snevik on Oct 25, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never believed the misc stupid hit was deterred. As I have said people did stupid stuff in the 70’s when a guy could pound a guy for no good reason.

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott Hartnell is a heavy weight. So is Rupp.

Just wanted to laugh again. Sorry.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I say that? I think I was really making fun of Hartnell’s actually body not his fighting class. Rupp outweighs Hartnell by 25 pounds and 3 inches of height.

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, you didn’t. That’s why I linked to it. You made a fat joke in response to that comment.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is funny though. Where is the game preview?

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 25, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

AFTER the write up about baseball. :-)

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by MJDII on Oct 25, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

LATE!!!!!!!!!!

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