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Oh Sheldon Souray, you silly SOB. I feel for the guy at this point.

Also, Meszaros grading is on the recap, get to work you 3.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

can we stop the mez rating yet? Seriousy, it’s just leads to bad blood and people are gonna start rating everybody. We should just keep our ratngs to ourselevs and rate them during the offseason when we give everybody grades.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 27, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely right. As fans and paying customers of this team we shouldn’t be calling attention to a player whose play has yet to even come close to justifying his gargantuan price tag.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 27, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Price tag – Not Meszaros’ fault.
The acquisition of said price tag – All Homer’s fault!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Price tag – Not Meszaros’ fault.

That’s one reason why we are grading, we aren’t taking in to consideration his cap hit when we watch the game. We are just going oh, he played well he got x/5.

I had no idea it was causing such issues on this site.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know. And I have no issues with your grading him.

I was replying to Mandrake:

[Meszaros’] play has yet to even come close to justifying his gargantuan price tag.

I hate mutli-million dollar sports contracts. I really do. But I refuse to attempt to “justify” what someone makes based on the job they do. There’s no way to do so objectively.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha fair enough, I was just trying to point out why were are doing this.

So many people complain to us about analyzing value too much, or bringing up too many advanced stats, so we did this. And now that we are doing this, those same people are complaining about us doing this. I can understand if they worry about it clogging the threads though, and have no problem moving it to email.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

So comparing his salary to other players in his league, playing his position, in his age range and with similar production levels isn’t being objective?

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 27, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meszaros has been the 2nd or 3rd best D-Man on the team so far this season. He has played better than both Carle and Pronger. And the 3rd pairing has been the most consistent. He is also playing close to 19 minutes per game.

If you want to put him behind Kimmo and Coburn that is fine. Even though Kimmo is a -3 and Meszaros is a +1 and Kimmo hasn’t registered a point yet.

Coburn is also a -3.

He hasn’t been a turnover machine and a complete liability like everyone predicted when we have acquired him.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Based on points he’s the 4th best defenseman on the team. Based on +/- he’s the 4th best defenseman on the team. Based on time on ice he’s the 5th best defenseman on the team. Where are you getting that he’s been the 2nd best from?

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 27, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I have watched and comments and stories around here. Pronger and Carle have been prone to major gaffes that led to goals. Meszaros that is not the case. He has been very consistent and noticeable on the ice with the physical play.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. Carle has been better in certain games – much better – but he’s also been worse in other games – much worse.

Where you want to rank Meszaros is really up to you, but he’s been steadily solid.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coburn has been fairly invisible which is a good thing for Coburn when he has become that type of player. You notice him that is a bad thing. If Coburn was more physical he would stand out more.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, I thought we covered this before – in what way are you qualified as a hockey expert to the point where you can anoint Meszaros as the 2nd best defensemen on the team?

If that’s your opinion, fine, but quit stating it as fact.

by Phalange on Oct 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything is opinion when it comes to sports. You can only use stats to support your opinion but it is still. Even if everyone agrees Pronger is the best D-Man on the team it is still just a consensus of opinion. Everything I say is just my humble opinion.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I work with enough statistics to know that they too are only an opinion, not fact. You can manipulate stats to support whatever argument you’d like.

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by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa, i don’t think you can insinuate he’s better than kimmo. that’s just stupid

by phinally on Oct 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when is Kimmo paid specifically to put up points? And hanging a guy like Kimmo out to dry on plus/minus is awfully harsh, when he’s facing better competition at 5 on 5 with worse teammates… besides, I can’t help but think of a story from Jonesey’s book about when he was in the AHL and he had a night where he was -7, but the next day the coach showed video showing he had his man covered on every one of the goals.

by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 27, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is and it isn’t. It’s hard for me to say exactly what a person in a given profession with a specific skill set should be making. Say you have two teachers in a school. Both make the same salary, but Teacher A is better than Teacher B. Can you justify who makes what? If Teacher A is better than Teacher B, shouldn’t Teacher A make more? What if Teacher A and Teacher B are making too much to begin with? What if they’re not making enough?

Player X could be making half a million less than Meszaros and producing at slightly lower levels, and we could do one of the following:

  • We could decide that Player X is a better deal because he makes less money.
  • We could decide that both players make too much, given their production.
  • We could decide that Meszaros is the better player but he should be making no more than Player X.
  • We could decide something else entirely.

All of these “decisions” are moot because Meszaros is on the team making $4 million a year, and that’s not going to change regardless of what we say.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why Meszaros is overpaid :)

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is certainly not the worst 4 million dollar D-Man in the league. He is probably somewhere in the middle.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

And we aren’t trying to claim that.

I apologize if I come off like I am trashing him here. I am just trying a fun experiment for the season, it’s all based on my opinion, and I’m doing my best to be as fair as possible with how I grade him (meaning not one dman has earned a 5/5 this year from me in any game b/c I’m a tough grader in general, and a 3/5 should be looked at as above average, not a bad grade).

And the player I have chosen to defend a lot on here, Coburn, came from having to listen to everyone at games bitch about him based on one mistake he made at the beginning of the season. So I took it as a fun challenge to try to defend Coburn’s season last year with advanced stats and his dman pairings. But for some reason, people take that as me saying Coburn can do no wrong, and Meszaros can do no good. I apologize if that is the way it seems, b/c that’s not they way I intend. I will be far more critical of Coburn now that he makes so much more now (frankly he has been a great value before). But everyone is jumping at this type of thing like I am saying this guy is infaliable, and that guy should be shot b/c he is a waste of life, and that’s simply not the case.

Hopefully this clears the air a little.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I have no problem with the rating thing. Except that it is done in a vacuum without grading the other D-Men it is really hard to put it into perspective.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Valid criticism.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely understandable. Here are two points I’d like to make just to give you a better picture as to what goes through my head with this stuff:

1) I do make every attempt to not compare Meszaro’s play to any other dman on the team or opposing team (which had been initially tossed around as an idea). Meszaro’s should perform like Meszaros and no one else, so the vacuum in this case I view as a positive since I don’t say he had a really good game, but Pronger was even better so I’m docking him 1 point for that.

2) I do grade everyone individually in my head (dmen), but I pay far more attention to Meszaros in order to try to be as accurate as possible for this exercise. Pronger has gotten a 1/5 from me this year, Timonen has had a 2/5 from me. I view an average game as a 2.5/5 and try to go from there if that helps you understand what I am doing any better.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those were individual games, not an overall average for Pronger and Timonen. I wanted to make sure I clarified that.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t you mean YOU HATE THE MESZAROS?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, thanks to you, I have gotten out my SeaLab DVD’s and started watching them again…and what do you know, I immediately started craving some Mingus Dew.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Ahhh, Mango Reinhardt! The THINKING Man’s Pop!”

I used to love that show.

Shortly after I posted this, I started thinking “Mes-za-ros, I love you, I love you, Mes-za-ros!”

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

Yeah I used to be obsessed with the show. That, and Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harvey Birdman is FANTASTIC!

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve had that in my head since the day we got him. Only because with each new edition I was thinking of possible t-shirts. Haha.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

You may be ignoring his price tag while grading him on a game-by-game basis, but the whole reason he’s being graded over any other player is because of his price tag.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 27, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that was a major reason that lead to it.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will say that I’m not uncomfortable when he and O’Donnell are out there, for whatever that’s worth.

Much much better than Ryan Parent and Lukas Krajicek.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most definitely. I’ve been pleasantly surprised with him. My major complaints have been his abilities as an offensive defenseman so far (I just want more since that’s what is expected of him), and how he has at times looked lost positionally on the PK.

But I am very comfortable when he and O’Donnell are on the ice, which is meant as a compliment to both players.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just cheated and looked at his stats – well, not cheated. I’m compiling Corsi and Zone Start, and just got his yearly totals. I can tell you what the stats say, but I think we’re supposed to ignore that.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to know, I think I’ll look at everyone’s stats at the 20 game mark, the 41 game mark, the 60 game mark, and after the season.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geoof, Snevik, and Todd…

You guys want to just make this an email thing so we don’t hurt anyone’s feelings?

John..

The point of this is to keep a log, Geoff is tracking the numbers. We are trying to see if our game by game impressions of him match up to what we get out of the advanced stats at the end of the year. Do you really think me giving Meszaros a number out of 5 is any worse than someone saying Carter had a bad game offensively despite having those 3 points? Everyone voices their opinions on the game and players performances in the recap, I don’t see how applying a number to a specific player on this site so Geoff can keep track is any worse (or better) than someone saying Carle had a terrible (or great) game last night and someone elkse disagreeing with that opinion. I can see how you don’t want a ton of grading out there, so maybe we’ll move it to email, but bad blood, really?

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geoof

I know this was a typo, but I laughed.

Zombie D’jouf.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

He loves Boosh, he’ll appreciate the extra “o” haha

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s bull man. Your grades aren’t offensive in anyway. There’s this ‘z’ key on your keyboard that will cheerfully take you past any comments you don’t want to read. Do what you guys want and what you think is right but include me on the e-mail chain because I enjoy reading this stuff.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, well I don’t think we are stopping judging from Geoff’s response below, so please feel free to join in hahaha

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The more the merrier!

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t notice defensemen to be honest with you. If I was at the game it would be different but I think it’s pretty hard to keep an eye out for anyone specific depending on the broadcast. That being said…maybe I will.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I feel like my grading is far more accurate when I attend the game. I watch him much more away from the play.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cool. I’ll probably have to start Saturday though as Friday I’ll be at work and can’t totally pay attention to the game…that being said I’ll probably still be on BSH and ignoring the radio I should be listening for…I mean all I have to do is make sure there’s sound coming out.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s this ‘z’ key

Please elaborate!

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 28, 2010 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Z takes you to new posts so that you can read them but if you hit it again it marks the post as unread and moves on to the next one. Thus you can easily skip anything you don’t want to read.

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 28, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys want to just make this an email thing so we don’t hurt anyone’s feelings?

Maybe you can make it a poll, like the confidence poll on the sidebar? Then you could graph it over the season without having to actually discuss it every day

by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 27, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t understand your disapproval at all. Care to elaborate?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

 just think its beatiing a dead horse. Yeah we know Meszaros is overpad, and that we could have gotten same talent for heaper in free agency. I just don’t think ts fair to judge him for every little detail but not anybody else.

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by JpH89 on Oct 27, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same talent for this season unlikely to get that same talent for the long term given Meszaros is still so young at 25. But yes this is beating the deadhorse but that is what the internet if for.

Homer is moron for the Randy Jones and Leighton things.

Shelly is overpaid for the 4-5 minutes per game he plays.

Upshall Upshall Upshall

Carter can’t hit the net.

Hartnell always falls down.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is America. Judging people with righteous indignation is what we do.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh say can you judge…

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

by the monitor’s light…

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So are you actively choosing to ignore all the criticism that Shelley, Carter and Richards have received thus far this year or what?

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by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

We aren’t even factoring in his salary. At all. That’s why we’re doing it.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are on a pretty high horse for tossing around the F word (not the 4 letter one) at Richards the other day. I wanted to scream at you for using that word for personal reasons, but I didn’t, b/c I realize you are young, passionate about hockey, and voicing your opinion at the moment.

We are doing this to give us more information about Meszaros at the end of the season than we would have with just the stats. He may have played better than his advanced stats showed us, and this might benefit Meszaros at the end of the year in our eyes. So it’s just as likely to reflect positively in our end of the year grading of Meszaros as it is to negatively impact his grading. At the end of the day, all we are doing is voicing our opinions, no different than you, and we aren’t using any offensive words in the process.

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by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m all for MORE people subjectively grading Meszaros too. It would be interesting to see the spread on any given night, and an overall total difference in my opinion.

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 28, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought meszaros played a good game he wasn’t spectacular but you don’t need that from a defender he made a few good plays and took some good shots on the powerplay I think he played better than Pronger and Timonen today so I would say that he was probably the best or second best defender out there on ice the turnovers happen to all the defenders and today it happened to Timonen and Pronger too and just because it cost us a goal doesn’t really make a difference also he had a point. 5.

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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 28, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Longest and shortest sentences ever, in one place!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 29, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Jeff Carter was a Grateful Dead song he’d be US Blues:

Shoot The Puck
Shoot it WIDE and HIGH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBLfzTPCDc

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Oct 27, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

When I think of the Grateful Dead, Jeff Carter is the last person on Earth I think of.

Not anymore!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for mentioning the Grateful Dead while making fun of Carter at the same time

by njh3293 on Oct 27, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Mike Ricci, I still have your jersey. It would fit me like a long-sleeve t-shirt now, but what the hell.

You’re A Good Man, Gnarly Brown.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha. I love the picture! It’s like Boosh is saying “C’mere you little piece of Russian trash you’re stealing my job because the team scores for you, ya bastard” but he says it all with a smile on his face so Bob thinks he’s being nice.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Is it just me or are others having the BSH site squeezed with new ad banners down both sides of the screen?

Sarauj, Latvija!

by LVHokejs on Oct 27, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

That Panasonic ad? Yeah, but if you have Mozilla and ADBlocker + you can get rid of it, which I did but now the background is completely white and weird lookin’.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what you get!

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still better than corporate bs that was ugly as hell.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that fixed it. Thanks.

Sarauj, Latvija!

by LVHokejs on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm…I’ve got Chrome with AdBlock, but I see them. Plugin probably crashed or something.

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by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easier — if you set the site to “wide” instead of “narrow” everything A) looks a lot better and B) those ads are most covered up.

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

More KY!!!!!!!!!

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 27, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

even better, thanks.

Sarauj, Latvija!

by LVHokejs on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Laviolette tips on coaching Millenials

I may be having a slow day but someone please tell that this is a joke/spoof piece.

by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t mean for all of that to be blockquote.

by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, it definitely is. But it’s kind of true. Everything he says about Millenials is true – if hyperbole – it’s simply a matter of whether that applies to this team.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s have Stevens come back to hand out hugs as they leave the locker room. What a load of crap.

by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, he wasn’t advocating to actually treat them that way. Yeah, that was sarcasm. Or at least I took it as sarcasm.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you. i was about to set my monitor on fire.

by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hyperbole is the best thing ever!!

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, I thought hyperbolae were the best thing ever. Dammit!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya I didn’t actually read any of this, cause I’m at school. Just didnt wana be left out, ya know?

Let's do it again

by Cillo stache on Oct 27, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

hey im at school and I’m reading all this.

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by JpH89 on Oct 27, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Cillo is a better student than you? BOOOM!

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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 27, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m at work and reading all this.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned in the re-caps (haven’t read every one) is the Delay of Game we dodged when Bob covered the puck outside the trapezoid.

by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

You mean the Dodge Turning Point of The Game according to Eddie Olcyk?

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, how come the turning point of the game was a missed penalty?

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cause Eddie Olcyk is dumb.

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by JpH89 on Oct 27, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t talk about the things the Flyers did well, point to an obvious missed penalty. I mean, it clearly was a penalty, but hardly the turning point of the game.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely not the turning point. I might go with O’Donnell’s fight as the turning point. Or one of the first two Flyers goals.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zherdev’s goal was big.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m leaning towards that, but don’t want to discount Briere’s goal. I really think Zherdev opened the floodgates, though.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone though, “Hell, if he started scoring, I’d better too!”

And thus, Powe got a goal. I could get used to that though.

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by Mike B on D on Oct 27, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha that was clearly a penalty. Everyone in my section just kind of looked at each other, looked back at the ref, looked at each other again a nodded knowingly haha.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I took it as the league owed us a couple anyway.

by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOODLES

Did anyone notice Andeas No-Goal scored last night??? Okay, so it was an empty net………but the seal is broken now……..50 goals this years for Noodles

by Pocono Flyers Fan on Oct 27, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

The Flyers are 2-0-0 all-time when he scores.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha, YES

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nodl is the new Trent Klatt I don’t think the Flyers ever lost when Klatt scored. Me and Dad used to call it Klattinization you didn’t have to worry about that game once Trent netted a goal. Hopefull Nodl will turn into that 20 goal scorer and that trend continues.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game against Ottawa when he scored. I was so happy for him and thought, “This is it! He’s turned the corner and is going to start scoring!”

By that I meant, “He’s going to start scoring two years from now,” I guess.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike how close were those lines used tonight to what you proposed based on the Columbus game. I really think this site is influencing the lineup. LOL

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

All they did was switch Carter and Richards, and put Nodl in Carcillo’s place.

It seemed to work, though.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It broke the curse of me wearing his St Cloud St jersey to the games.

1 goal in 3 games. At that pace, if he plays in every other game the rest of the year, he nets 24 more goals on the season. Pssh and you guys said he can’t score at this level.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

25% shooting percentage!

2.22 Goals/60!

STUD

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nodl played well on that fourth line.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is going to command quite the salary next year haha.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Oct 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why, that’s better than Carter!

\flamebait

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He couldn’t tell the difference.For Andreas, every net looks empty.

by Snevik on Oct 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

trends

Score 3 and win
4-0-0 all of the Flyers wins this season.

versus the backup goalie
0-4-0

versus the number 1 goalie
4-0-1

record when scoring on the PP
3-1-0

shorthanded 4 or fewer times
3-2-0
(this has been the case the last 4 games)

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmm…yes, all of our wins have 3 or more goals, and our losses have 2 or less. Clearly this concept of scoring goals is important somehow. They should award points for when this happens, to promote it.

Seriously though, what the hell is it with us and backup goalies? They’re our Kryptonite!

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

versus the number 1 goalie: 4-0-1

That means that, in the playoffs, the Flyers will win every series 4 games to 1, and their losses will always be overtime losses.

The Flyers won a late October game against Buffalo! I can see the Stanley Cup from here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Miller gets hurt we are fucked.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other coaches will figure this out and just put their backups in against us.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some Phillies were at this game last night

Got a picture of Werth here.

Apparently, Raul Ibanez and Chase Utley were there, too. I only saw the first and third periods last night (sick), so I missed it if they showed them on TV.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That means Werth is outta here.

I went to a Flyers game late last season and who was there but James Anthony Happenstance? And we all know what happened to him.

This is extremely flawed logic, I know. But I don’t care. I’m a Philadelphian and crave sports-controversy.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean Obama and Biden lose in 2012?

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by Travis Hughes on Oct 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It means one of them will be gone, likely Biden.

2007-08 season: Richards, Hartnell, Lupul and Downie courtside at a Sixers game. Lupul and Downie? Gone.
2008-09 season: Mr. and Mrs. Hartnell at a Sixers game. Mrs. Hartnell? Outta heeeere.
2009-10 season: JA Happ and Brian Schneider at a Flyers game. Happ? Goneski!

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question for Katie

Has Gagne looked as bad as his stat line. 6GP 0G 0A -8 and he is getting over 4 minutes of PP time. Tampa is playing well 5-2-1 so its not that the team sucks. I am just curious as a Gagne fan.

by chrislanci on Oct 27, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

In the Tampa game earlier, Gagne kinda looked motionless out there. He was getting into low percentage spots and not moving from them, and he passes the puck almost instantly when he got it. Maybe its the system or a learning curve, but he didn’t look that great out there that night.

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by JpH89 on Oct 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at that game, and the telling thing for me is that he went unnoticed after his big ovation. I’m guessing the neck stiffness that has him DTD or on IR now may have something to do with that. Or he’s getting older …

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by billy_pilgrim on Oct 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he might be fighting with an injury too…

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is. He was apparently sick, and now he’s on IR. So says my fantasy team.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop lyin’. Simon Gagne never gets injured.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got a stiff neck, which is a crappy injury if you consider that he had to move away from the doctor who has given him neck treatments in the past… I hate to think that he could possibly get that cleared up more easily if he was back in this area. But I’m just speculating, of course.

by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 27, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He keeps hurting his neck whenever Katie walks by. Or is that the other way around? Hmm.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 27, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, seeing as how he’s in Tampa and she’s in the Czech Republic, he really has to crane his neck to see her. So this is plausible.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 27, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point exactly.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 28, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

After which he will come back and play at least 20 games before he is actually feeling and playing at 100%. That right on pace. Gagne was a good person and a real hockey talent, I am not surprised or sad we are not dealing with this again. I wish him good luck and much success.

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by MJDII on Oct 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m scared.

Let's do it again

by Cillo stache on Oct 27, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Barry Ashbee was very, very good

It is probably the most underplayed aspect of the 1970s Flyers. Parent (rightly) got acclaim. But the fact is, Ashbee, along with Watson and Van Impe, got rid of the “routine shots” in front of the net, so that Bernie could focus on the more difficult ones. Of course, this made Bernie appear truly phenomenal (since only tough shots were being faced), but without the D-men there would have been a barrage of shots, and more would have gotten in.

I’m sad that the tribute video had more talking heads than highlights. But that is the point. Ashbee was not spectacular, just effective. Ashbee also played in a slower era, and there were more spectacular D-men (not just Orr, but Brad Park and others come to mind). He did the little things (the one highlight, clearing the guy from the front of the net, was apt). He rarely made errors (Carle and Coburn, are you listening?)

The one comment I liked was Clement’s: Barry was the ultimate Flyer.

33 years since his death? Wow.

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by Bud in TN on Oct 27, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Post Bud!

From an older dude around here that was young in the 70’s, I totally agree with everything you said. Parent was spectacular when he had to be which is what separated him from the average goaltenders. But like how the Flyers and Leighton were successful this spring, Bernie new exactly what the defense in front of him was going to expect him to save. Ashbee however was more of a veteran presence and mentor in the locker room during the transition of a team from average to great. He really was not around for the Cups but was instrumental in the development of the guys that became a very underrated, shut down, defense corps. He was a rock on defense when he played and a leader in the locker room. That banner ceremony was really about the Bullies generation of players and management. He truly was an inspiration to everyone in the organization in those days. He also helped me learn how to ice skate when I was a kid.

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by MJDII on Oct 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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