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Sabres Embarrass Flyers, Er Phantoms, 9-3

Would you believe the Flyers actually had a 2-0 lead in this game?  Yeah, me neither.  But it's true, as the Flyers lead by two more than half-way through the first period.  That lead was gone 93 seconds later though, as the Sabres scored twice in 45 seconds. 

Seeing as how the Flyers top line was Guerin - Powe - Nodl, this cannot be much of a surprise.  But the way this team played tonight, with more than a couple of jobs up in the air, should be an embarrassment to all who participated.  I must admit that I stopped watching to eat dinner right after Buffalo scored to make it 9-3, so it doesn't appear that I missed much.

As Tim Saunders and Chris Therien said at the end of the second period - Not a single Flyer had a good game - was entirely true.  With that as the backdrop, let's bullet point those egregiously guilty offenders.

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  • Matt Walker gets the top spot despite scoring a goal.  It's unclear just how many goals against were his fault, but I'm pretty sure that number was between 3 and 4, depending upon (unavailable) review of one of the goals.  For whatever reason, Walker just kept turning the puck over.  For someone who's already overpaid for the role he's expected to fill, you can't help but think the Flyers have a better option to sit in the press box.
  • Unfortunately, Oskars Bartulis - who costs a third as much as Walker - was almost as terrible as Walker tonight.  With Walker giving Bartulis an obvious advantage in a fight for the 7th spot, Bartulis did nothing to prove he deserves it.  Whether it was getting outmuscled along the boards or unable to clear the front of the net, Bartulis was responsible for multiple goals tonight as well.
  • With those two performing so poorly, the second most talked about player so far - Erik Gustafsson - should have had a great opportunity to swoop in and take a spot.  Unfortunately, he also had a brutal game.  It even prompted Kreider to demand that he be cut immediately.  It was pretty bad, but tonight - as in the rest of the preseason - Gustafsson was not nearly as terrible as Walker and Bartulis.
  • Marc-Andre Bourdon did not have a great game - if you only blame Walker for 3 goals, the fourth goes against Bourdon - but he was mostly invisible in comparison to the other two.  It's conceivable that he jumps over both Walker and Bartulis - while staying ahead of Gustafsson - to start the year in Pittsburgh, but somehow I doubt the team chooses him.
  • The rest of the defense - Andrej Meszaros and Dan Jancevski - weren't noticeably terrible, but that isn't necessarily a compliment.  Meszaros was a minus-2 just like Bartulis, while Jancevski was a minus-1, just like Walker.  The difference though, is that the other 4 guys were sooooo much worse.  Minor victory for Meszaros?  Eh.
  • Dan Carcillo got ejected, and nobody is really sure why.  Maybe this hurts his chances of making the team, but nobody stepped up and forced their way onto the lineup.
  • Mike Testwuide scored!  WHOOOOOOO!
  • Johan Backlund got absolutely zero help from his team.  He gave up 7 goals on 20 shots, but he made a couple of real nice saves and could have stopped maybe two of them.  Ryan Miller would have given up 5 goals behind that defense at least.

That's about it for the game, as either the rest of the team was invisible or dragged down by those listed above.  If you have anything to add, feel free to jump in.

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I thought they were showing replays of the other 5 goals they had…

BroadStreetBully, unfortunately, they were goals 6 and 7

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My Prediction pre-Thursday: Guerin is released from PTO, & (though slim chance) Carcillo goes to ADK, Holmstrom or Nodl stay

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by FlyerGuy18 on Oct 3, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Carcillo and Rinaldo on the same team? Dear God.

by rmg4519 on Oct 3, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Guerin had a poor outing, but then again, who didn’t?

The most egregious error from him though, was the blind, backhanded pass, when the flyers had a 3 on 1 rush, which ended up getting cleanly intercepted and leading to an odd man rush the other way.

I tend to think when we bring a veteran guy on for experience like we did with Guerin, he wouldn’t be making the kind of bonehead plays that would make a 2009-Glove-Throwing-Hartnell cringe.

Any word on Maroon’s Injury? I was busting his balls earlier, but he took one helluva wallop.

by BroadStreetBully on Oct 3, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

My prediction: Bobrovsky’s going to backup Boucher in Pittsburgh for the sole reason that he doesn’t have to clear waivers to go to Adirondack when Leighton comes back. I hope they told Backlund before this game and he doesn’t get upset that this was his chance to make the team and he got the Phantom’s defense in front of him.

by thasmin on Oct 3, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

How does it work with Bobrovsky’s cap hit if he starts the year up? Isn’t he a decent hit, like 1.75? Is Leighton’s on the books right now?

by Vansteel on Oct 4, 2010 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

He benefits from the bonus cushion, though. He has a $900k salary with $850k in potential bonuses.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have an idea of what the bonuses are?

by ic0n67 on Oct 4, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately no.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This game seemed cruel. Putting this kids against a legit NHL team and the reigning Vezina winner. I hope it didn’t crush Backlund and Bob’s confidences and everyone can just shake it off.

by rmg4519 on Oct 3, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty crappy sports day for Philly man.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 3, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

We were due for one. Better today than Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday this week.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Oct 3, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehhhh

Pre-season hockey with the Phantoms, a meaningless Baseball game, and a football game with a team and staff that I really dont like.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 3, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Eagles; I don’t like Reid. But I’m not giving up on the team because of a few guys—I’ve rooted for this team since I was a wee lass.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 4, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Eagles, I just dont care for them this year. Im especially tired of how drama filled this year has been. If I wanted to hear gossip, backstabbing, and useless nonsense, I’d follow my sister around her high school.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, in all fairness, a lot of that is media generated. I generally try to ignore it and posting on most Eagles blogs. I don’t think this team will go far this year, but I accepted that before the season began. All these people getting ready to jump off a bridge after one loss really piss me off, though. Sometimes you have to rebuild—were’ not talking Penguins style rebuilding here—but a year or so. A lot of fans around these here parts (meaning Philly) can’t get that concept.

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by doubleh on Oct 4, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe putting Backs behind that atrocious lineup was a ploy to ensure that no one thinks he’s good enough to be picked up

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 3, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhhh

The Andy Reid Plan.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 3, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s older than 24 and it’s been a year since he signed his first NHL contract, so he has to clear waivers. (http://www.nhlscap.com/waivers.htm)

If someone were to claim him, they’d have to have him on their NHL team next year or buy him out. Buying him out would put $266k on their cap next year and the year after. I don’t see why Holmgren thinks nobody would claim him. I think any team without their backup signed for next year would consider it.

by thasmin on Oct 3, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

by next year do you mean the season thats about to start (2010-11) or 2011-12?

by philiafan14364 on Oct 3, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah just like nobody was going to claim Randy Jones… at least if he gets claimed (which I really don’t hope he does, or Homer even waives him), we aren’t responsible for any part of his salary.

Too bad he isn’t waiver exempt with his contract being a two way. When I first saw the deal I thought “Man, smart move Homer, make his first year two way so he can come up and get sent down as we please”. Then after somebody here said he isn’t waiver exempt, it is just like some of his other moves like Randy Jones or Pronger’s 35+ deal.

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by Lindbergh 31 on Oct 4, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

If this is true…………

…there goes one of our top goalie prospects for nothing. Man I wish we had competent management.

Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 4, 2010 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guerin

I dont think I really want him. He hasnt impressed at all this season, and you could make a case saying that he had a good year last year because he played with the best player in the NHL. Personally, I think Carcillo is actually very good when he wings Richards, and I’d rather have a brought up guy (Noodle, Test, etc…) on the 4th line. My ideal lineup:
Carcillo-Richie-JVR
Leini-Briere-Hartnell
Giroux-Carter-Zherdev
Powe-Betts-Test
Shelley

kimmo-Coburn
Carel-Meszaros
O’donnell-Burdon
Walker

Boosh
Bobs

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by JpH89 on Oct 3, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Carcillo-Richie-JVR is a waste of a line IMO.

Not pinning that on you since I have seen that in a lot of places. I just don’t really get it.

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by EREX21 on Oct 3, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a pretty solid energy line with scoring pop and solid D that draws penalties. Richards is gonna score 30ish goals no matter if he playes with Briere and Giroux or Betts and Shelley. Plus, he and Carcillo are good together, and JVR and been good with Richards this pre-season. Its a good opening line IMO.

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by JpH89 on Oct 3, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

An energy line? With your captain on it? Carcillo does not belong on a top line. Not when there is this much talent on a team. 3rd line maybe, to help open ice for Giroux and JVR maybe. I’m not sold he can help a team more than hurt it. And the refs sure don’t seem hell bent on letting him mature at all.

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by Mike B on D on Oct 4, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

An energy line? With your captain on it?

Why not? Richards is an energy player is he not? Hes not an offensively gifted player in the sense that Carter, giroux, and Briere are. Most of his big playes are usually when he outworks the other team and peppers the D by controlling play in the opposing zone. That said, When Richards was slumping last year, he picked it up when Carcillo was put on his line. And him and JVR have had lots of chemistry around the net so far this preseason. And besides, They have played together and looked good so far this year.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I’m trying to say is, That Richards is not the type of player thats gonna center the top scoring line(NOT A BAD THING!). He’d be better suited, IMO, with JVR and Carcillo(or Guerin if thats the case), players that can work a two way line that can be put up against another teams top line and score more goals then they let up.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also have to totally disagree with you with Carcillo. While I like him as an energy guy agitator that is not the role of a guy playing with your point per game Captain center and your up and coming rookie number 2 overall draft pick.

Carcillo looks better when he plays with Richards yes but that comes at the cost of hampering Richards. That goal here should be to maximize Richards talents not Maximize Carcillo’s talents because those talents are considerably less. Plus Carcillo doesn’t deserve the 17-18 minutes of 5 on 5 time that is just more time for him to take stupid penalties.

I also don’t think Richards has be on the “top” scoring line but on this team there shouldn’t be a “top” scoring line. Just three scoring lines you can roll out there for wave after wave of pressure. Carcillo can’t do the things on the cycle that would compliment players like Richards who is more of a playmaker 5 on 5.

Guerin does those things he can score. You have to account for him and that would at least free up space for Richards and JVR or whoever making that line much more difficult to cover on the cycle. Carcillo would draw little attention and he doesn’t have the shot to beat a goalie.

Here is the problem you have 4 spots for fourth line guys and you have around 6 NHL calibur four line players, Shelly, Powe, Betts, Lappy, Carcillo, Nodl. Pick four. With Lappy out pick 5. Given Betts shoulder liabilities and Lappy future uncertainty. I want PK guys and a fighter so give me Shelly, Betts, Nodl, Powe, and Lappy. That means Carcillo is out. Don’t forget Carcillo also has a 1 year deal and went to artibitration so odds of us keeping him beyond this year is not so good anyways.

by chrislanci on Oct 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

you realize you spelled of who with a bunch of o’s not woo.

by tmurder on Oct 3, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s how I spell it… But how you read it works, too.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carcillo hasnt done anything all preseason long. He doesnt even deserve a spot on the team let alone rewarding him by playing him with Richards and JVR.

Personally I didnt think Gustafsson did as bad as some people are saying. I know I am a big fan of his but he made some plays saving Backlunds ass a few times. Now I do agree he didnt have the best game, but I dont think as bad of a game.

by sa cyred on Oct 3, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

No disrespect to Nodl and Powe, both of whom I like, but the Flyers should put Bill Guerin on a line with top talent and I think he will look much better than he did tonight. After all, he is used to playing with Sidney Crosby.

Now that's what I call high quality H2O!

by Justin F. on Oct 3, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Translation: The Flyers would be making a mistake to cut Guerin.

Now that's what I call high quality H2O!

by Justin F. on Oct 3, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely agree. Give Richards a winger that can score, not Carcillo. I like Carcillo, but I don’t want to see him on any line except maybe the 4th and that spot appears to be now taken by Shelley, therefore, cya Carcillo.

by edbro on Oct 4, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe on the 3rd line, he has shown he can keep up and score at least a little. Still, if it’s a choice for scoring, even without Guerin, there are better options.

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by Mike B on D on Oct 4, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

trade carcillo for upshall. wait we don’t have the cap space

by hbcivicsi93 on Oct 4, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have the 3rd line as Zherdev-Giroux-JVR and top line as Carter-Richards-Guerin.. and of course keep the Briere line in tact. That leaves the only possible spot for Carcillo on the 4th line, in my opinion.

by edbro on Oct 4, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that I think about it, how sick would our three lines have been if Homer didn’t trade away Gagne for two useless Tampa defensemen and 2nd round pick. You can only imagine the kind of production we would have seen with..

Carter-Richards-Gagne
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Zherdev-Giroux-JVR

ahhh Homer, you make my hair fall out from scratching my head so hard trying figure out what you’re doing sometimes..

sorry about this kind of useless post..im still recovering over the loss of gagne

by edbro on Oct 4, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as you have Charizard as your avatar you can do what you want

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by ToddtheFox on Oct 4, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carcillo got ejected because he is Carcillo. There will be no more benefit of the doubt for this guy and he should not be on this team. This is the worst signing of the off season.

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by MJDII on Oct 4, 2010 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Pronger

So when is Pronger coming back? In time for season opener?

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Oct 4, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

probably not. Late october most likely.

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by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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