Questions surround Glens Falls as Phantoms dismiss Pat Maroon
Pat Maroon is the best offensive player on the Adirondack Phantoms. Well, we should probably say that Maroon was the leading scorer and the best offensive player on the Phantoms, because as of last night, he is no longer a member of the team.
As reported by Tim McManus of the Glens Falls Post-Star:
According to Adirondack coach Greg Gilbert, leading scorer Patrick Maroon is "no longer with the team, pending assignment by the organization."
Gilbert wouldn’t comment on whether a specific incident sparked the dismissal. Asked if Maroon would return, Gilbert repeated the statement about re-assignment.
The Phantoms aren't saying a damn thing about any of this. The coach won't spill any details, the players, including captain Dan Jancevski, won't spill any details. Nobody can get Maroon's agent, Allain Roy, on the phone, as he's in Europe until Wednesday.
It's not a perfect comparison since you can't just "re-assign" a player in the NHL, but this is essentially like if the Flyers were to throw Danny Briere on waivers without explanation. He's their leading scorer and they'd be losing him for nothing, without any explanation to the paying customers why it's happening. It makes no sense.
Let's take a look at all of the wild questions that surround this wild, confusing situation.
1. Why was Maroon kicked off the team?
Obviously, this is the big question. You don't just throw your leading scorer out of the locker room and off the team without some serious reason, of course. As McManus reports, though, Maroon was having a nice start to the season, despite how badly the team as a whole has looked, and he's seemingly been working hard at his game.
So what could the reason be? The Phantoms won't budge, but Jancevski does sort of allude that it could be a locker room issue by saying it will "stay in the dressing room." It seems a little petty to kick a guy off the team for just having a bad attitude or something, doesn't it?
We're not going to speculate on what happened because that's irresponsible, but it clearly had to be something serious. If only the Phantoms would tell us what happened...
2. Does this have anything to do with Paul Holmgren's presence in Glens Falls on Friday?
Again, McManus reports that Holmgren and Assistant GM John Paddock were both in Glens Falls on Friday night to watch the game. That's weird -- the Flyers had a game of their own in Pittsburgh. Why the need for the special trip? My gut tells me that this isn't a coincidence, but since nobody is commenting on the subject, we don't know for sure, do we?
3. Will he ever be back within the Flyers organization?
This seems unlikely, but again, we don't know. He has an NHL contract. Do the Flyers still own his NHL rights? Will he ever play for the Flyers, even if he's playing for a different AHL team?
We do know that Paddock met with Peter Laviolette at the Skate Zone on Thursday for about a half hour, and seeing as Paddock is the main guy who oversees the Phantoms and the Flyers prospects, we might be able to assume it had something to do with Maroon. What exactly does that mean? Well, again, more unanswered questions.
4. Is this a trend with the Phantoms?
As Tim points out, this isn't the first time a Phantoms player has been dismissed from the team. It happened with AHL vets Lukas Kaspar and Jason Ward last season as well. It may not have been as serious in those situations, at least because those players don't hold the same position in the Flyers organization as Maroon does (or did), but this isn't the first time this has happened with this organization and this team in Adirondack. That seems important to mention.
We stand now, just a few hours after this whole thing went down, with a lot of questions and nobody willing to answer them. That's not fair to us as Flyers fans, and it's certainly not fair to the paying fans in Glens Falls who already have to suffer through watching a terrible hockey team take the ice every night.
We all deserve an explanation. Who's going to give it?
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This kinda doesn’t have anything to do with the Maroon situation (or maybe it does?) but I wonder what factor Greg Gilbert had or has had on the team or players. I remember reading on DGB or maybe PPP, it was awhile ago, that they felt Gilbert ruined their prospects.. This is kinda irresponsible speculation because I don’t have a source to cite or know anything about Gilbert but it’s the first thing that struck me when i heard this.
Uh, PPP do not like Gilbert… http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/8/4/976228/toronto-maple-leafs-name-dallas
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
that, actually, wasn’t what i was thinking about but yeah i see they didn’t like him either … i found what (i think) i was remembering from DGB
…Marlies coach Greg Gilbert successfully destroys whatever is left of Justin Pogge’s confidence by making him wear a frilly pink dress as he sits at the end of the bench of every night, then goes to work on ruining Luke Schenn too.
From Bill Meltzer:
It’s still unconfirmed by team sources at this point but it’s believed that he initiated a physical confrontation with a coach.
I love the phrase “initiated a physical confrontation,” because my first question is “What was said/done right before said ‘initiation’?”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 30, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
“Yo mama.”
That’s unconfirmed too, though.
by Teemu H on Oct 30, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
teemu, you are brilliantly hilarious :)
thank you!
by edesjardins37 on Oct 30, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If that’s true, I could see that being a realistic explanation. But I still wonder if it’s been building for a while, and what would have caused that reaction anyway. Maroon has been reported to be on thin ice before, but never did I believe it was that bad.
by DragonGirl0583 on Oct 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, always curious.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 30, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
At what point do they run out of players to blame for the poor performance of the team and look to someone else to blame?
As I mentioned in Tim’s blog on the Post Star web site last week, I saw Maroon and Bourdon jawing on the bench last Saturday night. The buzz around the Civic Center last night was that the Flyers brass was in town to evaluate why the team was off to such a poor start. It was only when the scratches were announced that the Maroon story started to unfold. Not sure if anyone has mentioned previously on this site, but there were "Fire Gilbert" signs in the stands last night.
What is very strange is the way this team has started this season. The first week and a half, they looked quiet exciting. They were quick in the offensive zone, good in transition coming out of their own zone and I will continue to say that we are very fortunate to have Backlund in net. Then, in the 5th game of the season against Albany – they blew a 3 – 0 lead, and the team has been awful ever since. I remember thinking during the first period of that game against Albany – " 3-2-0 after five games, this is going to be a great season". Right now, the wheels are falling off and the fans are getting angry. I actually left with 5 minutes left in the game last night because I was so disgusted. I have been a season ticket holder for every team in Glens Falls back to the Red Wing days (including the UHL debacle). I can’t remember ever leaving a game early.
For those of you in Philly listening to the play by play on the radio stream, it was not the same game I watched. The play by play man knows who signs his paycheck. Our play was ugly. Something needs to change. I found the PPP link quiet interesting. We’ll see what scuttlebutt there is at the Civic Center tonight…….
by Adkmac on Oct 30, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was kind of hoping you’d expound on the Maroon – Bourdon jawing match. I find it odd that a winger and defenseman have reasons to get visibly upset with one another, but this is becoming more likely that Maroon was an outsider in the locker room.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 30, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What it looked like to me, based on some of the hand gestures, that Bourdon thought that Maroon was not back checking / taking care of his D assignments – but rather floating around in the neutral zone. Again, my speculation. Also, I think it was Bourdon (I am pretty sure), but it could have been another D man. My seats have a good vantage of the Phantoms bench.
These types of things make the organization look silly.
So, we’re to believe that you jettison your best offensive player (at 6’4" 225 btw) who is leading the team in goals, pts, and PIMs, while still maintaining a respectable -1pm, and this is all over some type of scuffle with a coach?
What type of a bullshit operation are they running up there? I also bet you, if Maroon was Canadien this wouldn’t have happened.
I’m just going to ask what the distinction between Canadian and American has to do with anything…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 30, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s saying the Canadiens are a better organization than the Flyers (which is debatable, if you’re asking me).
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 30, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 30, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No actually, I was referring to the fact that the Flyers organization has always been primarily comprised of Canadien players, and management has reflected that. It does not make them unique in that way, but when you look at the Phantoms roster, you see a whole bunch of Canadien players on there, and then you have Maroon from Missouri — kinda stands out a bit for me, that there was no particular effort made to mediate this, or work things out in a more professional manner. And please don’t use Homer as an argument, yes I know he’s a US born player, but his run with the Flyers is about as surprising to see, as it would be if Gretsky was to someday take another coaching job and then hire Marty McSorely as assistant coach. I’m sure Homer still checks with Clarke on every move he makes.
I realize that Hockey is both national sport and national religion for Canada, but there’s still a healthy belief going that Canadien hockey players are just better than players born anyplace else. Considering the preponderance of Canadiens in the coaching and GM positions in the NHL, would it surprise anyone that there might be an inclination to lean in the direction from time to time?
I just disagree. To suggest that American players are treated differently is not only inflammatory, but it’s difficult to prove.
And if you look at Jason Ward last year (Canadian), he was exiled as well.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like poor coaching.
I’ll admit, I don’t know much about the Phantoms issues or problems. But when a top performer gets removed from a team it can only mean that he is at war with the head coach. I call it poor coaching because to me it sounds as if the coach did a poor job of controlling his players. He let one get away from him and then probably challenged him. He didn’t like the response or pushed the response and then had Big Brother, (Homer and Paddock) back him up.
A coach at that level needs to find ways to reel in players like Maroon and draw out their strengths not their weaknesses.
somebody will talk
it is inevitable, somebody will spill the beans on what happened to Maroon. Till then, who really cares except the 2k fans in NY. As for Zherdev, he won’t be missed, he should be sent down to replace Maroon.

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