DiPietro, Islanders act like children as Flyers roll to 6-1 win
by Travis Hughes on Oct 30, 2010 11:26 PM EDT
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PHILADELPHIA -- A decade.
That's how long Rick DiPietro has left on his ridiculous contract with the New York Islanders. If tonight's game against the Flyers is any indication, it's gonna be loooooooong decade on the Island. The goaltender gave up six goals on 29 shots tonight as the Flyers rolled to a 6-1 victory.
It was their 11th straight victory over the Islanders in Philadelphia, who haven't won here since April 2007.
Not only did the Islanders lose in just about every aspect of the sport of hockey tonight, they did it like children. From the net out, the entire second half of the hockey game was an excellent showing of we'll-make-you-laugh-at-us-for-more-reasons-than-we're-bad-at-hockey from the Isles.
With the Flyers up 4-0 on goals from Kimmo Timonen, Chris Pronger and two from Jeff Carter, Zenon Konopka challenged Dan Carcillo to a bit of a duel. It was probably the most entertaining fight of the year for the Flyers and could be called a strong win for Carbomb, who hung in with one of those guys who's sole job is to drop the mitts.
A few minutes later, Trent Hunter crushed the head of Andrej Meszaros into the glass. Danny Briere jumped to the aid of his defenseman, while Rick DiPietro came all the way out to the blue line to make things interesting as well. He picked up a two minute penalty for being a baby leaving the crease, in addition to Hunter's five and a game for boarding. The league might be looking at that hit on Monday. Meszaros didn't return.
While the Flyers were up by two men, the Islanders scored on a penalty shot to ruin Sergei Bobrovsky's shutout. Fortunately, it'd be the only goal of the night for the kids from New York, and the Flyers would make sure they wouldn't have much time to relish in it. Just a few minutes later, Chris Pronger blasted his second point shot of the night by DiPietro to make the score 5-1.
The game was effectively over and the third period hadn't even begun. Not that anybody should've wanted to go home, however, because the fireworks were really just beginning. After jawing on their way back to the benches after their second period fight, you had a feeling Konopka and Carcillo were going to drop 'em again. They did just that midway through the third.
Carcillo's dad told me after the game that the second one wasn't really much of a fight. He was right, but Konopka did pick up a 10 minute misconduct on the play. A few minutes later after a scrum in front of the net, tough guy Trevor Gillies showed how tough he really is by taking a cheap shot on Danny Briere. He received a TRIPLE MINOR for roughing on the play, as well as a game misconduct. I didn't know that was possible, but it was well-deserved.
At the 19 minute mark, in front of a basically-empty WFC crowd, Frans Nielsen said something to Briere. Carcillo didn't know what he said, but he "knew something was going to happen, so he just went in there and hit him" right off of the faceoff. Briere seemed to hit him first, but Carcillo got a shot in as well. All hell broke loose.
DiPietro threw his mask off. Briere skated towards him. Carcillo, fresh off defending Briere near the faceoff dot, made a beeline for DiPietro. Nothing really escalated beyond there, but Briere received a major for cross-checking Nielsen and Carcillo picked up a 10 minute misconduct. The league might look at this one as well.
The exclamation point? DiPietro was handed another minor for leaving the crease, and the Flyers finished the final minute of the game on the power play. Hey, only 10 years left on that contract.
On to the bullets...
- Jody Shelley was banging on the boards like a maniac telling Bobrovsky to skate down the ice to challenge DiPietro in that melee with a minute left in the third. After the game, when asked if he wanted to fight anybody, Bobrovsky (who understood the English word "fight," by the way), smiled and said "Nyet, nyet."
- Shelley and Carcillo picked up power play time late in the game. Laviolette said it had nothing to do with making sure things didn't get out of hand, but rather that he likes to give the guys who do some dirty work the opportunity to perhaps get a power play goal.
- I've never heard of a triple minor before.
- 120 minutes in penalties total tonight.
- Bobrovsky was fantastic. He made a ton of huge saves despite going long stretches without any action. He was extremely focused tonight, and he seemed extremely happy after the game.
- Jeff Carter, James van Riemsdyk and Andreas Nodl really stood out offensively tonight. The lines really seem to be coming together at this point, which makes things really interesting because Nikolay Zherdev isn't involved.
- Nodl left the game in the third period with an "upper-body injury" that he sustained in the first period. Tim Panaccio is reporting that Nodl is fine.
- Panaccio is also reporting that sources tell him Meszaros is okay and that he was only removed from the game as a precaution.
- From Katie Strang of Newsday: "DP cracked some jokes at his own expense and said of tangling with Pronger: 'I was looking for anyone except him, let's be honest.' "
- The defense finally chipped in offensively... and they did it in a big way, too. Pronger scored two and Timonen had one of his own. The defense hadn't scored a goal yet this season. That went away quickly. In total, the Flyers got six of their 18 points tonight from the blueline.
- Pronger told me after the game that he learned the fist pump from Briere.
Questions with Answers
- It's the first time a Flyers goaltender has played in back-to-back nights this season. Does Bobrovsky look as good as he did last night? Bob looked great tonight. He said after the game that he likes playing on back-to-back nights.
- Danny Briere needs two assists to reach 300 in his career. Does he do it tonight? The hottest offensive player on the team didn't have a point on a night where the team scored six goals. Weird.
- The Flyers have won 10 in a row against the Islanders in Philadelphia. Does that continue? It most certainly does.
- Both teams played last night. Any sluggishness to start? The Flyers were all over the Isles from the drop of the puck.
Comment of the Night
Did someone donate $5 to the American Cancer Society for every second DiPietro played tonight?
>> Geoff Detweiler, on why DP stayed in the game so long
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This might be my first COTN since I started writing for the site…
Anyway, you spoke to Pronger and he made a joke?! And it wasn’t scary??
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 30, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
Just what the league needs..
A team of morons that also sucks…good luck to them…can’t wait until the next time we see them..
God Bless The Flyers
You’ll only have to wait 7 days
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Oct 30, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Next Sunday’s going to be very, very interesting. We play at their place and after tonite’s game, it’s going be just like all those games that come up in short time against the Leafs, the Pens, etc. Rough.
I wonder how the referee’s next Sunday are going to go about officiating that one?
Bobs should’ve gotten a star.
1 = Carter
2 = Pronger
3 = Bobs
I have no beef with Kimmo getting a star b/c I love the dude, but Bobs should’ve been a star.
Hard to give Goalie a star in a 6 goal game. They didn’t need him to make any saves and lots of points out there. Funny think is if he got the shutout he probably would have got the star. Game stars are generally stupid anyway.
Bobrovsky made a few huge saves when the game was still 1-0 Flyers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The Isles broadcast (as big a bunch of cry-babys as the team) had him as the top star
by The Gang Wins the Cup on Oct 31, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time the flyers have been apart of a triple minor?
by Phuck The Penguins on Oct 30, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
better question
When was the last time the Flyers weren’t on the bad end of a triple minor?
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Good gracious that was a fun game to be at. I mean, how many people can say they’ve seen a Jody Shelly power play shift in person?
Bob was awesome tonight. That penalty shot call was ridiculous. Would have liked to see Pronger get the hat trick.
This wasn’t much of a game, but it could have been if Bob hadn’t been so sharp. This kid is going to be our starting goalie this season—- get used to it people.
I should also probably say for the record that the Hunter call was marginal at best, and definately not a head shot. He hit Mez shoulder to shoulder, and it just so happened that he got whiplashed into the boards. Not great to see, because he clearly got his bell rung and was in obvious discomfort on the bench. Hope it’s nothing serious.
Yeah but he hit him away from the play. Thats all that matters.
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Mesz had just gotten rid of the puck. That’s not “away from the play.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I get the feeling that the NHL will still come down on the hit (my opinion/suspicion only) just based on the way they’ve been cracking down on all the hits that they deem dangerous, marginal, blindside, etc. lately.
I’m in no way saying Hunter’s hit was any of those, other than marginal, but the league has shown it’s pattern so far this season on those kinds of hits.
marginal at best
To be honest that was a horrible call and should have never been a penalty yet a 5 minute major. But there have been worse called. Hartnell got one against a Bruins a couple of years ago might have been against Andrew Alberts. Either way Bruin was on his knees and Hartnell hit him, the Bruins head hit the dasher. Hartnell got 2 games I think.
“blind side hit” is part of the definition for Rule 48.1 Illegal Check to the Head.
There is no rule against “blind side hits”, so even if this was one, that in itself does not make it illegal.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
No, it’s just:
48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A lateral or blind side hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principle point of contact is not permitted.
You can’t just say “it’s a blindside hit! Suspension!” since there’s already a rule for what people think Hunter did:
43.1 Checking from Behind – A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore unable to protect or defend himself, and contact is made on the back part of the body. When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed.
If you can say Meszaros wasn’t aware, there’s your rule. The boarding penalty is a lot more difficult, and even says “there is an enormous amount of judgment”…
Bottom line: people need to stop saying this is a “blind side hit”. This is not. Richards on Booth is a blindside hit. This was checking from behind or boarding, if anything.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, and I’m not saying he should be suspended. I do think Mez was completely unaware but a penalty was assessed so it’s over.
Exactly. A penalty? Sure. A 5 and a game? No, but the refs looked at the result, which they’re wont to do.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ricky Goes Down
To say the Islanders played like “children” is being polite.
If Scott Gordon is asked about his team, I hope he quotes Igby Goes Down and says “I’m drowning in assholes.”
At any rate, my brother and I decided that the Islanders lead the league in assholes, for whatever reason.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Carcillo, Hartnell, and even Briere sometimes act like assholes. But they don’t do anything like the Islanders did tonight.
There are doing things out of frustration, and then there is reckless, childish play.
I don’t know what the Isles were trying to prove by doing what they did. It wasn’t a couple of big hits to send a message for the next game, it was… whatever the hell they were doing. And in the process, they embarrassed themselves. They might even have Colin Campbell or whomever at the next game. It wouldn’t surprise me at all.
People complain all the time about the Flyers being dirty or whatever, but I have never seen the Flyers play that way, ever. And until tonight, I never equated the Islanders with such play either.
I expect people like Konopka to throw down. I expect Gillies to be a clown. I don’t expect DiPietro to try to show anyone up. I don’t expect Frans Nielsen to be flipping out on people. If it were later in the season, the Isles were struggling, frustrated, etc. and they had a game like they did tonight, then I could understand it. But not at the end of October. It’s too early for a meltdown. What the hell is going on up there?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Mischief night? Is there a full moon? I don’t know, but these guys were off the reservation.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Wanna bet the refs call everything
next Saturday night?
by 726 Forever on Oct 31, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch "Big Lebowski" recently?
Or did you hear Preston and Steve talking about the worst movie dubs of all time? I love that line. It makes no sense whatsoever.
by Chief O'Flyers on Nov 1, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
haha, He’s had that tagline for awhile.
But I loved listening to P&S talk about the worst dubs of all time.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Nov 1, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The best part is that the Coen brother’s specifically dubbed the movie for TV like that to make it utterly ridiculous. Just another example of their comedy I guess.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the alps?!
by KornontheKobb on Nov 1, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Also:
Flyers’ record when Nodl scores: 3-0-0.
Win Pct.: 1.000
Get this man a lifetime contract. We’ll be in Noodle Heaven!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
NOOOOOOOOODLES!!!!!… the NHL is going to have to change the rules just to make it fair for the other teams………the man’s a scoring machine
by Pocono Flyers Fan on Oct 31, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Having only watched the game highlights on NHL.com, can anyone tell me if Bob had any more glove saves than that one on a point shot later in the game? Gotta keep the Bob glove save counter up to date.
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Bob had at least like 5 nice glove saves tonight. He was sharp.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Wow. Glad to hear a team finally tried shooting high on him. I had counted five glove saves in all of his previous starts combined.
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- Jeff Carter, James van Riemsdyk and Andreas Nodl really stood out offensively tonight.
How is this only the 6th bullet point in the recap? Carter had 3 points tonight and one of those goals was very good, neither JVR nor Nodl had anything similar I think he deserves his own bullet point and it should be much higher than talking about Shelley and Carcillo the bias on this site is ridiculous
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 31, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not, but if it isn’t, the story of the game wasn’t the offense… that’s why it’s so far down.
If it is sarcasm, then… well done.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha it was sarcasm
Simon Gagne may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home, but at the end of the day, he will always be a Philadelphia Flyer.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Oct 31, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So…any guesses on how many players get suspended from tonight’s action?
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Too many to count…these Halloween games are shaping up to be the best ones so far. Two years ago it was the smoke bomb, now tonights activities.
The smoke bomb games wasn’t the Halloween game in 2008. The Flyers played the Isles on the 30th aswell. Very memorable week that was.
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I have a suspicion, not supported by an info other than me watching on Center Ice, that Hunter’s going to get a game or two. His hit was fine, by fact that it wasn’t an elbow or anything blatantly illegal, but I have the feeling that (and it should) fall under the league’s new rules around blind side hits. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hunter get at least one game.
Correction?
In your story, you state that Carcillo took down Nielsen off the faceoff…from the video replays and seeing it in person, it looked like Briere took down Nielsen and Carcillo stepped in to protect Briere then all hell breaks loose. I might be wrong but just how it looked from 207A tonight.
Great article otherwise. Probably one of my favorite games that I have been to over the past two years. So many great goals and the team just looked unstoppable except for the relaxed attitude at the start of the 3rd period.
It was definitely Briere that smashed Nielsen in the face off the face off. Carcillo jumped in later, but it was Briere that hit Nielsen. It was tough to read Nielsen’s lips in the slow-mo replay, but I thought I could definitely make out the word “pussy.”
At 5ft 9 179lbs Briere can do all the stick work he wants, he doesn’t have the size or strength to defend himself cleanly.
They said he actually started the season well under his normal weight, something closer to 165ish pounds (he liked playing at the lower weight he had last year and then he lost all that weight when he had tonsilitis). When guys are running him and taking liberties with him, he’s gonna whack at them. I know it’s a penalty, but sometimes, like tonight, I understand it.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Well Carcillo isn’t that big of a guy, either. A pretty light heavyweight.
I give Breire props for standing up for himself, it was pretty ballsy. I mean, he is one of the shortest players in the legue. I also give Carcillo props for standing up for his team mates
Let's do it again
by Cillo stache on Oct 31, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Carcillo isn’t that big of a guy, either. A pretty light heavyweight.
I give Breire props for standing up for himself, it was pretty ballsy. I mean, he is one of the shortest players in the legue. I also give Carcillo props for standing up for his team mates
Let's do it again
by Cillo stache on Oct 31, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was kinda confusing as it unfolded at the rink. I initially thought it was Briere, then I saw Carcillo jump in and I never really got a good look at the replay. I figured it was Briere because he got the real penalties, but the whole thing seemed kind of foggy to me live.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
To me, it looked like Briere cross-checked him in the face, then Carcillo shouldered him in the back, knocking him down. So imagine Briere knocking him upright, and Carcillo knocking him down.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys are the Craziest Most Intense Fans
I’ve ever been to a game for. You’d think with the score 6-1 and the Flyers just dominating the game that some fans would leave early or stop caring about bad ref calls. Nope, the place was as loud with 1 Minute left in the game as it was in the first and second periods.
I’ve been to Islanders, Mets, Giants, Yankees, Nets and Devils games. I’ve even been to playoff games for the Devils, and nothing compares to a Philly crowd.
And I only had one fan threaten my life for being an Islanders fan, so that was pretty good too. Although my yells of “Your a Bum Carcillo” and “Pronger grab another puck” did get me some looks. So did my cheering when Frans scored.
But it’s not about that, you guys are some definitely kickass fans (I was directly across from the Flyers bench) and it was fun seeing my first pro game in Philly. Just next time I hope the games a bit closer.
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by Mark D on Oct 31, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Thanks. Had I known you were at the game I’d have come down and introduced myself, as a token of good will.
I’m glad you had fun, and I’m sorry this wasn’t a traditional one-goal game between the Flyers and Isles. I’d still love to know what everyone was so upset about last night, but that’s neither here nor there…
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I was thinking about dropping a comment before the game last night, but figured I don’t comment enough around here. That and I’m also used to being in the nosebleeds whenever I go to a game and being able to move around a bit more freely then I was. For this game I was 3 rows back from the glass.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In addition to Travis’s comment, feel free to drop by and submit your analysis of the situation for any game. It’s hard to sometimes see things through the lens of a dedicated fan, and so the alternative view is always handy.
by VorAbaddon on Nov 1, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice of you to say - we get a lot of bad and mostly unwarranted press. I know you are a true Hockey fan, considering the long stretch of mediocrity you guys have been dealing with since the glory days. You guys still have some missing pieces but at least there are some exciting young players in the organization now.
Epic
Just a note…….
PuckDaddy had this linked with the words “Epic fight in Philly”……
Just watched that for the first time. HOLY HELL! What a battle! That was fantastic.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 31, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Carbomb
I was a Carcillo fan when we originally got him b/c of how he played (not based on the fact that he had more skill or was better than Upshall). I soured on him last year and into the first part of this year. However, the last couple times he’s been dressed for games he’s been money (in my opinion). Skating, passing, hitting, getting into battles in the corners, playing with energy, fighting. He’s helped the team and not hurt them the past few games. That’s what he’s here for. He’s been an asset more than a liability lately; I like that.
If the situation with Zherdev (matchup or attitude related) keeps up, I have no problem with him sitting in the pressbox or worse. I like the team as it is now.
He’s always played like that, it just has gone unnoticed. The guy plays with heart, all the time. Thats why I like him so much. And just as an fyi for all the people who say he has no real role or doesn’t have the talent needed for what we acquired him for, I would like to inform you he has done more (numbers-wise) than Jvr this season. We actually got him as a finesse player from Pheonix, to begin with. So proof he has talent.
That and Bobs is so cute (not the prettiest person to look at, though) he makes me wana adopt a Russian kid and have him be a goalie.
Let's do it again
by Cillo stache on Oct 31, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I know he’s always played like that and that’s why I liked him too. However, he hasn’t been contributing the way he is supposed to or should since the playoffs last season. And, that lasted up through the start of this season, until the past couple games. I think the fact that he’s had to watch a couple games from the press box and now the new line combinations have helped him get back to doing what he should be doing.
Oh, and I guess the fact that Zherdev’s been scratched the past couple games helped him by allowing him to actually be on the ice.
by flyerboom_6 on Oct 31, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Cillo — sorry but I can’t let that go, even though I appreciate your unadulterated boosterism from the guy.
We got Chico as a salary dump move. It was probably one of the most despised trades (from a fanbase point of view) that has been made in the team’s recent history, second only to the Gags trade, although I am convinced that trade derailed the team from what could have been a deep run at the cup. While nobody can blame Carcillo for this, he certainly was not gotten as a skill player. The season following, Scott Upshall, who was a 6th overall first round pick, got elevated to be a top 6 forward at phoenix and was leading their team in scoring with 18 goals in 49 games when he blew out his ACL. Upshall had a huge following here in philly and may have been the first victim of what is strongly suspected as an attempt by management to break up the “frathouse” of young single players which included Richards, Carter, Lupul and Upshall. They were gaining unwanted notoriety for their off ice partying, although why this bothered Flyers mgmt so much is still a mystery.
At the time, “gritty” and “NHL penalty minutes leader” were Chico’s primary resume pieces, along with phrases like “out of control” and “uncoachable.” Wayne Gretsky was a fan for a while, and his pronouncement of Carcillo’s potential goal scoring is a bit of an embarassing albatross around his neck. The first year he was brutal, but he’s gotten better, and certainly is no longer seen as a complete boondoggle.
Most people still remember the game 6 loss to the penguins, and Carcillo’s fight being the “momentum turning point.” that saw us surrender a 3 goal lead. I don’t think that should be pinned on Carcillo, but you will never convince a Penguins fan that Max Talbot’s “shhing” the crowd on the way to the penalty box wasn’t the turning point of that game, and at very least that has always been the question about Carcillo — and the reason people here nicknamed him “carbomb”. Yes he’s an explosive weapon at times, but one that can just as easily blow up in your face. And who could forget Carcillo’s check on injury ridden Jeff Carter last year:
Nobody questions his effort or heart, but the most respected hockey players (Kimmo Timmonen + Chris Pronger for example) match their physical play with their cerebral approach to the game. I don’t think Carcillo is stupid, and he cultivates his reputation while maintaining a sense of humor, so clearly he’s by no means a cementhead, but questions remain about whether he’ll go out and do something stupid.
On the plus side, last year, he was absolutely tremendous playing with Betts and Lappy, and those guys together had a chemistry that was magic. There were a slew of games mid season when the team was slumping where that line was the best one we had, game after game. This lead to his getting time on the first line with Richards and Gags, where he did some things really well, particularly in opening up the ice with his forechecking. His ability to get up on the forecheck with speed and execute checks is incredible — reminding me a lot of Jeremy Roenick in his prime, and Carcillo should be putting on clinics for guys like JVR. When Chico is healthy he skates surprisingly well, and he’s had his share of highlight reel goals, not to mention his crucial overtime goal against NJ, so he’s shown that he can perform under pressure.
Unfortunately, Carcillo got injured during the playoff run, and hasn’t returned to the form he had at his peak last season. I like Carcillo when he’s healthy and on his game. He has not been on much this season. I still think that he’s best suited as a 4th line player who can play up from time to time, but gets enough reps on the 4th line to make an impact on the game. The problem this year is that Lavvy isn’t playing the 4th line much.
I like Carcillo when he’s healthy and on his game.
I think this particular sentence can be said about any player.
That was just a sidenote. Besides that, I think I can say that I agree with you.
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by Travis Hughes on Oct 31, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you. But I think Carcillo should be permanently on the fourth line and then they could in fact take regular shifts. Shelley doesn’t belong in the game unless he needs to be, due to another enforcer. If that is the case, then sit Carcillo. But the way I see it: Nodl, Zherdev, and Carcillo should be playing every single night. This gives Lavy the ability to give every line regular shifts. Shelley is not a liability but I feel Carcillo is a better fit. He brings more speed and more flare haha. He was fine the last two games and I think without Shelley the fourth would be more effective.
Quite the saga you got there. I understand and must admit of it most is true. That is the ammount of my (notso) defeat. I wasn’t around for that draft, I liked the Flyers then but wasn’t obsessive like I am now. I get he can be kinda an ass and uncalled for, But I still love him :)
Let's do it again
by Cillo stache on Oct 31, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Drunk, but still saying this.
Fuck the Islanders. Fuck Long Island. Fuck DP. Go flyers.
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Jody Shelley was banging on the boards like a maniac telling Bobrovsky to skate down the ice to challenge DiPietro in that melee with a minute left in the third. After the game, when asked if he wanted to fight anybody, Bobrovsky (who understood the English word “fight,” by the way), smiled and said “Nyet, nyet.”
As if he wasn’t already useless and wasting our precious cap/roster space, now he wants to turn our once in a 20 year actual goalie prospect into a goon too.
Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
by JpH89 on Oct 31, 2010 3:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Guaranteed Boosh will be in net the next time we play them. boosh v DP anyone?
by save a whale eat penguins on Oct 31, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting down the ice when essentially it is 6 on 4 is not a transformation of a guy into a goon. He wouldn’t be expected to fight just he in the mix to even out the players tangled up. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone on the staff or the players mentioned something to bobs as merely a respect move. Again he is not and would not have to fight just square up with another body for numbers sake.
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by MJDII on Oct 31, 2010 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Credit Due
Carcillo handled himself very nicely last night from both fights to his positive energy in what could have been a melt down game for him. Zherdev who?
Also of note the result was worse then the hit on Mez. That was not a dirty hit at all. Shoulder to shoulder within three seconds of him moving the puck. Penalties and suspensions on hits like that are what is screwing this league up. If they didn’t have that damn seemless glass he would have merely bounced rather then getting whiplash. That is just confusing for a player that has been taught make contact.
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by MJDII on Oct 31, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You say DP threw his mask off. I thought I remember him having that on. Threw his glove off maybe? Those came off pretty quick.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 31, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
He threw his mask off after disengaging with Pronger.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda OT but they need to make girls jerseys, cause I always get the kids medium. The sleeves are short but the rest is huge. I know they make the pink ones, but they look like football jerseys and I’m not big into pink. I wana support the boys in thier colors, orange and black.
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by KreiderDesigns on Oct 31, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And what’s the problem with huge jerseys? I always get male jerseys and if I can get an authentic jersey, the better. Does it really matter much how it fits?
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nothings wrong with it, it’s just I’m really small so I have to go with kids jerseys that will be short in one place and long in another. Authentic jerseys would be great if I could get one but I can’t. And they would be huger on me then, because my nine yearold brother’s Quakers jerseys are huge on me.
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by Cillo stache on Oct 31, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm… I’m pretty slim myself, not too short though. That might be the difference.
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Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
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So, the fine Isles fan above had their blog linked, so I checked out their perspective.
They are some ANGRY, ANGRY people….
Here’s the thing: They are right to say that Briere should be suspended. Where the rest of their anger comes from, however, is unknown to me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohh, I concur, but the review was very “OMG, these Broad Street Bullies just dirty up the game, it’s a pack of goons”, etc etc. I’m just so tired of “The Flyers are what made the game punch happy!” They need to crack a history book.
I was generalizing a blog, which is a subset of a fanbase, based upon the reactions I saw in a post. I realize one blog isn’t every fan, but that particular group seemed VERY angry about the Flyers.
I think he was saying they need to stop, not you. But carry on.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And I agree with that as well.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 31, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We get frustrated around here with the second best all time winning percentage and not winning a cup is sometime. Imagine if you were an Islanders fan. Once a dynasty to tha dreck. DP for the next 11 years.
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by MJDII on Oct 31, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry if I am a little late but...
I love their title that tries to mock BSH: Flyers 6, Islanders 1: Briere, Carcillo act like children in garbage time .
Also, I laughed while reading thier recap. I’ll just list their insults directed at BSH and Flyers fans:
Three and a half decades. That’s how long it’s been since the Flyers lifted the Stanley Cup, and if some of their fans — born long afterward — are any indication, it’s gonna be a loooooong time before they admit their team can ever do wrong.
Then I read some paint-by-numbers tripe from fans of a team that employs the notoriously dirty Chris Pronger, Carcillo, and a litany of general thugs. A franchise still proud of their tradition of how they won two Cups by dirtying up the league. (I forget, was tonight the night they raised the banner to commemorate all the pucks Pronger childishly collected ast spring? Or is that on a different Flyers Are Adults Too! night? Or “Just Pronger Doing What He Does Best” Night?)
That’s when I remembered, ah yes: No matter where you are in this great sport, there are always dirty players, and there are always delusional fans who will act like the mercenaries wearing their colors in any given year can do no wrong, emitting one-sided effluvia that would make the Kremlin blush. Indeed.
I’d love to see some other team’s fans come up with some original insults for Flyers fans and the Flyers organization rather than the default “the Flyers are just a bunch of goons” and “Flyers fans are savage animals that would kill baby seals.” Yawn. The lack of creativity is astounding. That whole post is dripping with the there-is-close-to-nothing-positive-that-I-can-pull-out-of-this-game-so-I-am-just-going-make petty-mindless-insults-to-make-myself-feel-better feeling.
The best part about that Recap was that it made Islanders fans look bitter, pathetic and, ironically, childish. Yes, what Danny Briere did was stupid and the suspension is deserved but Lighthouse Hockey’s need to make personal attacks on us as fans is a glaring indicator of their bitterness about getting shalacked in every hockey aspect.
If you actually want a recap of the rest of the game (you know, the 59 minutes of the game before the rough stuff) don’t go looking for it over there. If you do, you’ll be surprised to find out there that a hockey game DID ACTUALLY happen. Weird, I know. Well, to call it hockey game is generous. An absolute ass kicking? Yea, that’s more like it.
Here ya go, Lighthouse Hockey, this is exactly what you sound like. Yea, we understand that would be upset after Saturday’s game but the Islanders got outscored, outplayed and beat up.
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by Mitchell Green on Nov 1, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
To finish my unfished rant...
Focus on the gaping holes in your own team before you try to sugarcoat getting beat up with insults, attacks centered on 0.016% of the game. There are a lot of other things you need to deal with in your with your own team before you start the blame game on the Big Bad Bwoad Stweet Bullies!
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by Mitchell Green on Nov 1, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What a great game last night. Could not have picked a better game to take my Australian family and friends to for their first hockey experience. Obviously, they LOVED the it!
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I couldn’t resist and went to see what Isles fans are saying and read their recap. Wow. Just wow. Bitter much? And this comment actually left me staring at my screen with wide open mouth. He seriously went there…
If the 9/11 attacks had been on Philadelphia,
I’d have started a movement to get Osama bin Laden a Medal of Honor.
Everyone from that city is pure scum. Their douchery knows no bounds. Then again, I’m sure I’d be a small, sad, bitter little man if I had to live in Philly.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
I so want to go over there and say something, but the fact it will do nothing but start a pointless fight that goes nowhere is preventing. I have been over there a few times, they hate the Flyers with a burning passion, always have, and probably always will. They see Flyers fans as the false stereotypes that everyone hurls at us when they want to make fun of us and put us down and the Flyers as the falsely stereotyped goons, as if we are the only ones that ever played physical hockey games. Anyone who makes fun of the city like that probably has never been there and probably does not even know what they are talking about. They just say it because putting down Philly is the “cool” thing to do if you are a New Yorker. We can say whatever we want and nothing is going to change their minds. It is embarrassing, it is pathetic, it is their uninformed opinions, and we just need to leave it at that.
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
Not to mention hypocritical on their part
Here are some of the best quotes on the Flyers, Philly, and Philly fans.
That’s when I remembered the tools we’re dealing with. From the blueline on out to the stands where the faithful chew the cud, it was an excellent showing of we’ll-win-but-show-you-how-we-can-act-like-children-anywayYeah, DP wanting to fight the way he was was not childish or “toolish” at all or anything like that (rolls eyes). If you can condone what DiPietro wanted to do (“I don’ blame [DiPietro] one bit for getting involved”) after people took runs at Frans Nielsen, then you can’t denounce Briere for taking a physical shot at a guy for reportedly bringing up a very personal incident in his life or Carcillo who was looking out in the interests in one of the team’s top scorers. If Briere had brought up the most personal nightmarish accident that ever occurred in the life of Frans Nielsen, we’d likely be hearing non-stop from them how Briere is a tool for that and how Nielsen should have taken a cheap shot at Briere. A similar equivalent in DP getting randomly wanting to drop the gloves has already been condoned…..
If you can talk yourself into pretending Nielsen got what he deserved, or gloss over what Briere and Carcillo did to Nielsen as the fair result after Nielsen “said something to Briere,” then you checked your tenuous hold on reality at the door long ago. And you emulate the stereotype NHL fans have long held of FlyersIf Nielsen did say what was reportedly said, then I can’t blame Briere for getting worked up in the heat of the moment. That does not mean that it should not be punished (I agree with Travis, it should be a suspension), but when someone talks about a situation that personal in a sport that condones physical contact, yeah, I probably would have acted in similar ways.
No matter where you are in this great sport, there are always dirty players, and there are always delusional fans who will act like the mercenaries wearing their colors in any given year can do no wrong, emitting one-sided effluvia that would make the Kremlin blush. Indeed. It’s a special thing to watch this sport. It’s a strange thing when it turns people into blind lunatics who cannot see the festering bag of toolishness in their own neighborhood. (But oh no, go ahead and tell me Briere and Carcillo are innocent — victims, even. After all, it’s not like Briere has a history of dirty stickwork when his inner Napoleon feels wronged.)The context of this was that Flyer fans were booing the refs on the penalty shot after what this writer felt was a gift of a penalty on Hunter hit on Mez. I have no problem with the disagreement on the penalty and its harshness, in fact he has a valid point, but chastising the fans for going after the refs on a call a few seconds later? Like Islander fans have never jeered the refs for a bad call that went against them even after one that went for them? Seriously? The implications here is that Islander fans are reality seeing saints who can do no harm, yet if the implication of this post is true, then there would not be one person amongst their fans wishing that Osama bin Laden be awarded a medal of honor for hypothetically killing thousands of Philadelphians (it’s been over an hour since that comment was posted and it has not been deleted yet), and they would never overreact to anything that occurs in the heat of the moment. Yep, Islander fans are god’s gift to hockey fans. We should follow their role, act as they do, and believe as they believe, for indeed, it is only the right way to act. They don’t have overreactionaries. They don’t have any punk ass idiots in their stands who do stupid shit. They are not biased for their team or anything. Praising Dipietro while faulting Briere and Carcillo and painting Nielsen as a perfect innocent victim is absolutely a perfectly unbiased way of seeing things, right? Perfection = Islander fans, am I right? Or is it just a steaming load of hypocrisy. My guess? The latter.
I didn't perform well when it mattered most.
This should’ve been a Fan Post. Nicely done.
I love the Lightning AND the Flyers... go ahead, preach me!
Dare to follow my childish, biased, petty and cheesy alter ego.
American Cheese, B!tch! ... #1 mission? Kill Holmgren.
Nice. Yep, fans often falsely believe that all this stuff happens in a vacuum, as if their players have absolutely no part in any of it. Since none of us play on either team, we will never know the complete truth, but these guys are human with human emotions. Sometimes they play smart and sometimes they don’t and all of them have the ability to play dirty.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Anytime time someone attacks the city and not the sports team shows just how jealous of that teams success. There is really nothing that can say. Islanders haven’t relevant in close to 30 years.
The Islanders should sell the franchise to Bryan Trottier so Bettmen could hook him up Super Mario style with the next super star. And in doing Trottier could save the franchise from moving to Kanas City or Indianapolis.
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