Monday Morning Fly By: Decision Time

by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT in Morning Fly By

Even Homer feels bad for Johan. (Photo By Dave Sandford/Getty Images)

Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news...

Recaps of last night's blowout: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [Daily News] [Flyers] [Flyers Faithful]
Paul Holmgren says waivers won't impact who gets cut: [Frequent Flyers]
The obvious: Bill Guerin is awaiting a decision from the Flyers. [Daily News]
Dan Carcillo underwent two offseason surgeries, one for a sports hernia and another on his hip: [HockeyBuzz]
Maybe the team takes that into account, but he's battling for a spot either way: [Daily News]
In case you missed it, pictures of Sergei Bobrovsky's mask: [The700Level]
Nik "And Sometimes Y" Zherdev has been pretty impressive so far: [PhillyBurbs.com]
Interviewing Bill Guerin: [Puck Daddy]
Video on the "Bigger" James van Riemsdyk: [Philly.com]
The Phantoms dropped two games over the weekend; an OT loss to Albany [PostStar.com] then a 4-2 loss to Albany: [PostStar.com]
It's not just me! A plea to "shut up about the college kids" [Flyers Goal Scored By...]
Shameless plug for a Flyers chat with Anthony SanFilippo on Wednesday: [Delcotimes.com]
Joacim Eriksson won his first Elitserien game over the weekend, stopping 20 of 23 shots: [euroflyers]
Jakub Kovar stopped 25 of 27 - and 2 of 3 in the shootout - to get the win [euroflyers] and followed that up by stopping 27 of 30 in a loss [euroflyers]
Video of Denis Bodrov scoring a goal: [euroflyers]
The Wild signed Jose Theodore to replace Josh Harding: [Hockey Wilderness]
The Capitals unveiled their Winter Classic jerseys: [icethetics]
Official betting odds for the 2010-11 season: [Puck Daddy]
Wondering if Pekka Rinne is getting help from his official scorer in Nashville: [Brodeur is a Fraud]

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Don’t know what your policy is on linking to bleacher report, but I found this article by Ronnybrook about Carcillo’s influence on the Flyers special teams opportunities last year quiet good.

Philadelphia Flyers Fans Just Don’t Understand Daniel Carcillo

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions

*quite good

Damn Monday morning typos.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

That is a really good article. The problem is that in the playoffs, Carcillo took 10 penalties and drew 7. So while he has an excellent point, that point disappears when looking at the playoffs.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions

That’s the thing that worries me moving forward, given his act on the playoffs, I’m going to guess he won’t draw as many this year. But that’s speculation and a guess at best.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, it’s purely speculation. But I share your worry in that refs are worried about being embarrassed by him and won’t let him draw so many. May not happen, but I fear it will.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions

I would prefer to play as much time as we can at even strength with the roster we have and our suspect goaltending 5 on 5 is a good thing. I want to roll four lines and stay out the of the box. With Lappy out our PK isn’t going to be as good and probably require more time from Richards and the other top guys so I say lets avoid the box at all costs and play good clean honorable hockey. WIth the talent we possess 1) we will get probably draw a fair share of penalties anyway and 2) won’t need a lot of PP time to succeed.

by chrislanci on Oct 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

…so I say lets avoid the box at all costs and play good clean honorable hockey.

You do realize this is Flyers hockey you are talking about, right?

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

Exactly, we could play good, clean, honorable hockey and we’d get put in the box anyway. ;-)

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Who plays good, clean hockey anymore anyway? I think this notion is largely a myth. All teams try to get away with stuff; it just has to be less egregious than what the Flyers often try. Matt Cooke certainly doesn’t play good, clean hockey.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 4, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Matt Cooke certainly doesn’t play ~~good, clean~~ hockey.

fixed

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!

by hintzy64 on Oct 5, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

But the decisions being made this week are not being made with just the postseason in mind. If they were, Jody Shelley would already be chained to the press box.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room."

by Grp_Cpt_Lionel_Mandrake on Oct 4, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

I’m wiling to chalk that up to needing two surgeries after the season ended. Were the splits any better for the Devils series, at least?

Either way, I think we regularly underrate his value. Related question: what you put Powe or Nodl on one of the top three lines over him?

by Snevik on Oct 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t know how it splits by round, as behindthenet.ca just updates live.

I agree his value is underrated, and this is a large reason why. Your related question: Personally, I’d put Nodl in the top-9 over Carcillo, but can fully understand people who disagree.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

This is why I didn’t answer, I feel I’m too biased. But if you ever want to know if Nodl belongs, he has to play in the top 9.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

haha, we’re both quite biased.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I can understand the argument for any of those three, really. I think Lavy will probably roll with Carcillo-Richards-[winger] now, and I’d support that, but my reasoning is no different than it was for playing Carcillo-Betts-Shelley on the fourth line: I want to see what we have with these player and their contracts. Nodl will have plenty of time to get minutes once injuries rear their head.

Also, given that Carcillo probably should in the line-up at this point, I’m assuming he’d be more effective at drawing penalties from a scoring line than a checking line.

by Snevik on Oct 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait a minute, you mean the Caps existed before OV, and in the 70’s!!!!!!!!!! ;)

I bet 90% of the Caps fan base are reading Wikipedia right now so they can get their history right just in case somebody calls them out.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Oct 4, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions

As always, the Caps fans are 2 years behind the Pens fans.

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Oct 4, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Mike Gartner! Jim Carrey!

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions

Who? ;)

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Oct 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions

Hey … that isn’t far to caps fans. They have had a good quaility fan base before Ovechkin and they will after. It isn’t like some teams in the east … I mean to quote a famous philosopher:

by ic0n67 on Oct 4, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions

From Panotch

Guerin tells me he was released

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions

Really. I thought he was a shoe in for a spot with all his experience.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Oct 4, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions

It’s funny, I feel surprised and not at all surprised all at the same time.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions

I’m the same way. Based on what I saw, I never thought he deserved a spot on the roster, but at the same time, I always thought he’d be given one regardless.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Same

I figured he’d get a spot no matter how he played, but Im actually happier to see a young guy get a crack. I like the farm players more then the vets personally.

Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"

by JpH89 on Oct 4, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Well you know excited if this means I get to watch more of Nodl. Finally, my Nodl jerseys will be recognized, and maybe people will stop confusing the St. Cloud St jersey for the Habs.

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by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Maybe it will be recognized, but the St. Cloud State will still be confused.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Oct 4, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Well the one I have does have the Hab’s like C on the front, it’s the one with St. Cloud St. written out on it…but yeah, their symbol is easily confused despite their colors being red,black, and white.

Is this the right room for an argument?

by DLJr on Oct 4, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions